Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[ati87]

Again, at this point why not? The GOP has demonstrated they don't care about morals, ethics, or justice. They backed a racist wannabe dictator for four years. There's no off-ramp left.

And he'll be cheered while doing it.

I would argue that forgot about being cheered they get rewarded even.
Today the US will pas 400k Corona deaths
Between Clinton, Obama and Biden the outgoing Republican administration leaves behind such a mess that the new Democratic president spends 8 years to clean up the mess created by the Republican.

All of this the around 45% of the US population will still vote Republican which is just enough to make sure that Congress will always be in play for Republicans and each time they get rewarded for incompetence.

Not that other countries are so much better. The Dutch right-wing government has been screwing people over since the 2000 (before it was a centrist left government) and yet I fully expect that the current biggest party will still stay the biggest party next election regardless how many lives they have destroyed.

[arandomuser]

bill mahers latest segment reminded me so much of why bernie lost the primary, were with him on policy but his whole class reductionism thing just isnt where were at.

"violent uprising featuring qanon cultists, confederates, and neo nazis?" clearly if we just regulated the bank industry more and gave everyone government checks they would be decent loving people...

hillary got so much heat for saying to bernies face "breaking up the big banks wont end systemic racism" and the bernie bros basically went full trumpist anti sjw shtick after that but she was god damned right, in fact if it werent for corporate influence being against trump, we would be in an autocracy by now, because apparently thats what the "working class man" wants, so im in favor of based woke capitalism

[minteK917]

bill mahers latest segment reminded me so much of why bernie lost the primary, were with him on policy but his whole class reductionism thing just isnt where were at.

"violent uprising featuring qanon cultists, confederates, and neo nazis?" clearly if we just regulated the bank industry more and gave everyone government checks they would be decent loving people...

hillary got so much heat for saying to bernies face "breaking up the big banks wont end systemic racism" and the bernie bros basically went full trumpist anti sjw shtick after that but she was god damned right, in fact if it werent for corporate influence being against trump, we would be in an autocracy by now, because apparently thats what the "working class man" wants, so im in favor of based woke capitalism

You are about as wrong as the people you argue against. No Hillary was infact fucking wrong. Also way to play your opponents hand by doing the " Can only solve one issue at a time" jingle. Electing Hillary and claping your hand "racism over" doesent actually end systematic racism. You need to strike at institutions that kept the black communities in its state of perpetual poverty, guess what one of those is BIG BANK. You arent gona solve shit by just yelling "racism is over".

Policy is what will end systemic racism. Based woke capitalism is not a thing, amazon and google care about MONEY. When idiots think they won some moral victory about that shit youtube still host all the same insane shows with coolaid drinking audiences that made the people that attacked the capitol. Because they are millions of views and they keep it to be only viewed by those people so you dont have them in your feed. You have Joe Rogan being transphobe in front of millions, because its good money. And you think you can rely on companies to end systemic racism lol.

Removing the banking inequity, hell making healthcare more accessible will do more against systemic racism then private companies ever will. Are you gona play me the same tune your republicans do, BUT THE LAWS WE MADE NOW SAYS YOU CANT BE RACIST, SO WE ENDED SYSTEMIC RACISM??? Strike at banking loans, Strike at school loans, Strike at healthcare accessibility, Strike at school funding's taxes, Strike at class inequity, thats how you solve systemic racism. Policies do it. If you "Arent there yet" then you wont solve it period. No amount of cloud in the sky hand clapping racism over a politician can sell you will do that if they wont make policies to DO IT.

[Paranoid Android]

Election misinformation dropped 73 percent following Trump's suspension from Twitter: research

The research firm reported that discourse around election fraud dropped from 2.5 million mentions across social media platforms to close to 688,000, following the president's permanent suspension from Twitter, according to The Washington Post.

Hey look it as if banning Trump was actually helpful and there is a causality showing Trump drove voter misinformation. I'm shocked, I bet you are too.

[Timester]

Election misinformation dropped 73 percent following Trump's suspension from Twitter: research

Hey look it as if banning Trump was actually helpful and there is a causality showing Trump drove voter misinformation. I'm shocked, I bet you are too.

At least one victory for Trump, he destroyed the fake news!

[gondrin]

At least one victory for Trump, he destroyed the fake news!

Kinda easy to do when you are the purveyor of said fake news. I say there should be a disclaimer that has to be there whenever he is speaks that says "may say fake news most of the time."

[Belize]

Trump is going to Pardon over 100 people, he most likely will pardon the domestic terrorists at capitol hill.


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/17/p...ted/index.html

Considering he's been collecting money from those asking for pardons, the silver lining is that there's a high chance the pardons can be judged as corrupt and dismissed.

[Orange Joe]

bill mahers latest segment reminded me so much of why bernie lost the primary, were with him on policy but his whole class reductionism thing just isnt where were at.

"violent uprising featuring qanon cultists, confederates, and neo nazis?" clearly if we just regulated the bank industry more and gave everyone government checks they would be decent loving people...

hillary got so much heat for saying to bernies face "breaking up the big banks wont end systemic racism" and the bernie bros basically went full trumpist anti sjw shtick after that but she was god damned right, in fact if it werent for corporate influence being against trump, we would be in an autocracy by now, because apparently thats what the "working class man" wants, so im in favor of based woke capitalism

I love how people just make up their own fantasies about "bernie bros" just to blame someone for something.

[Felya]

Considering he's been collecting money from those asking for pardons, the silver lining is that there's a high chance the pardons can be judged as corrupt and dismissed.

Yeah, from what I saw yesterday, that’s 200 million dollars... a fifth to being a billionaire...

[arandomuser]

I love how people just make up their own fantasies about "bernie bros" just to blame someone for something.

watch the bill maher segment im referring to https://twitter.com/billmaher/status...18517258645505
literally wants us to think the qanon cultist that got shot for threatening the continuity of government was just a down on their luck working person and its woke californias fault because she was raddled with debt. whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility?

[Orange Joe]

watch the bill maher segment im referring to https://twitter.com/billmaher/status...18517258645505
literally wants us to think the qanon cultist that got shot for threatening the continuity of government was just a down on their luck working person and its woke californias fault because she was raddled with debt. whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility?

What does that have to do with berni bros?

[Bodakane]

watch the bill maher segment im referring to https://twitter.com/billmaher/status...18517258645505
literally wants us to think the qanon cultist that got shot for threatening the continuity of government was just a down on their luck working person and its woke californias fault because she was raddled with debt. whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility?

You're comparing apples and hammers.

You also seem to think Maher is the official spokesperson for Bernie supporters.

[Felya]

watch the bill maher

Danger Will Robinson!!!!

I would not recommend watching his shit, unless you think it’s funny. His Religiosity movie, is one of the most oft quoted media, in science denial and religious conspiracy theories. He fudges the truth so much to make his point, conspiracy theorist use him as an example of their theories.

[Sunseeker]

You also seem to think Maher is the official spokesperson for Bernie supporters.

Or anyone, and not just a self-absorbed prick.

[Gelannerai]

Danger Will Robinson!!!!

I would not recommend watching his shit, unless you think it’s funny. His Religiosity movie, is one of the most oft quoted media, in science denial and religious conspiracy theories. He fudges the truth so much to make his point, conspiracy theorist use him as an example of their theories.

That’s the thing, he’s one of those people that really disappoints me in a “how are you so intelligent as far as ‘x’ is concerned but then a complete moron in the context of ‘y’” sort of way. Add to it the condescending way that he typically approaches any given subject and that makes him another Dennis Miller (smart enough to occasionally be funny but not someone to take to heart ever).

[Drutt]

watch the bill maher segment im referring to https://twitter.com/billmaher/status...18517258645505
literally wants us to think the qanon cultist that got shot for threatening the continuity of government was just a down on their luck working person and its woke californias fault because she was raddled with debt. whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility?

There's a fair amount of truth in what Maher is saying there.

Economic woes are the source of many (or even most) of any society's social and political ills. The conditions that allowed the Nazis to rise were largely economic, for example. When people are desperate due to hardship, they're far more open to radicalization and wrecking-ball type solutions. The US badly needs to address the underlying economic problems that are impacting the middle-and-below classes, but if history is any guide, neither party is going to take that on.

[gondrin]

Oh man, I wish this would have came out earlier. A perfect example of Pot meet Kettle. I think Trump was projecting here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

The Trump letter his lawyers said should never see 'light of day'

“Your conduct has grown unpredictable and even erratic – including rambling and self-indulgent public performances that have baffled experts, citizens and law enforcement professionals alike – making it impossible for you to effectively lead this agency,” Trump wrote to Comey.

The letter then chastised Comey for "spen[ding] too much time cultivating a public image, and not enough time getting your own house in order.”

Almost half of the letter focused on Comey's handling of the investigation into then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, including Comey's testimony to Congress days earlier defending his decision to publicly announce a year before that Clinton had been "extremely careless" with classified information but should not face charges.

That testimony was “another media circus full of unprofessional conjecture, bizarre legal theories, and irresponsible speculation,” Trump's letter stated.

The letter falsely insisted that Comey's "strange legal decisions and contradictory public statements" had "sowed confusion" and inspired "a near-rebellion by many rank-and-file agents" within the FBI.

“You’ve shown a total inability to control leaks, both within and outside the agency. As a result, intelligence -- real and fake – has been weaponized into an instrument of partisan warfare," the letter said.

Still, in the letter, Trump told Comey that his "actions and decisions" reflect "a total lack of judgment and have left our country deeply divided and rightfully angry.”

“America needs an FBI director who inspires confidence across all layers of government, and who the public believes to be fair, impartial and beyond reproach,” Trump concluded.

“You have lost the confidence of the skilled professionals in your command, the congressional lawmakers with whom you work, and the general public whom you serve,” the president added.

This part says it best. Oh the irony.

Nearly four years later, Trump is now the one leaving office, accused of mismanaging the U.S. government's response to a deadly, global pandemic, and impeached -- for the second time -- for allegedly inciting a violent mob to storm the U.S. Capitol with unfounded claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him.

Trump has defended his actions and rhetoric, calling his second impeachment "a continuation of the greatest witch hunt in the history of politics."

[Hollycakes]

No one can be surprised by the doctor pardon. Look at Rick Scott and where he is today and how he has his seat next to Trump.

Twinsies.

[cubby]

I want you to think back over the last four years at every single time you said, wrote, or thought that statement.

What's your batting average?

Trump believes he won't face any consequences for all the damage he did to his country, his party, and the general concept of democracy. The Senate won't vote to impeach before Jan 20th and might not even convict. So, he might be right. There is also no criminal statute that I can think of -- @cubby help? -- that would let Trump be prosecuted for issuing pardons to his co-conspirators.

It's honestly not even all that stupid. I mean, look at the last four years. What's the GOP going to do? If they were going to take steps against his swamp-dwelling deplorable actions they had four years of chances. Remember when he blackmailed a country for dirt on a political rival, got caught, and they didn't care? Remember when he used said dirt and he was applauded for it?

Trump pardoning his coconspirators is just one of a dozen problems that Trump has raised that need resolution. But as of now, yeah, they are scot-free and Trump is without penalty for those actions.

The GOP is still morally corrupt.

[Omega10]

There's a fair amount of truth in what Maher is saying there.

Economic woes are the source of many (or even most) of any society's social and political ills. The conditions that allowed the Nazis to rise were largely economic, for example. When people are desperate due to hardship, they're far more open to radicalization and wrecking-ball type solutions. The US badly needs to address the underlying economic problems that are impacting the middle-and-below classes, but if history is any guide, neither party is going to take that on.

The problem is: when Obama made attempts at the beginning of his term, voters punished him badly in House, Senate, and State elections.
When Hillary talked about doing things to make things better, voters called her cold and lied "BUT HER EMAILS" and voted for Trump.

As recently as 2020, voters worked hard to make sure the republicans would be able to block any attempts by democrats to pass through any help. It took lots of Trump mishaps in the Georgia runoffs to even get 50 democratic Senators, otherwise the ability to get anything through would be zero.

Every time that democrats successfully pass anything that helps the middle-and-below classes, voters severely punish them by moving to the right and blaming the democrats for being evil horrible socialists. In the big stimulus package that Congress passed early last year, the most talked about problem that was complained about was the $600 a week unemployment bonus. That was discussed a LOT with middle-and-below class people angry that people that got these benefits got so much money (for some, more than they would make if they were working). Yet Corporations took MUCH more money than what unemployed people got with little complaint.

When middle-and-below class people decide that it's ok for them to get help from the government, it will happen. Right now people get very upset at even the thought of this happening.