Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[downnola]

That "Trumpism" is not gonna go away anytime soon it seems and it's not realistic to think that the military personnel will stay guarding as they are going to be on that day.

If he didn't self-destruct and instigate a literal insurrection attempt at the capital, I would have said he'd continue to fleece his supporters dry of money and weasel his way into his own media channel. Now, I fully expect Trumpism to return to it's natural state (Republicans will act like their reactionary populists are fringe) and in a couple years time Republicans will pretend that they never supported him at all. Trump will be locked in legal battles and Republicans will insist we just get over it and move on because "unity."

[Drutt]

BREAKING (CNN): Rep. Steve Cohen confirms that Rep. @Laurenboebert
gave a large tour prior to the attack on the Capitol.

So Boebert denies giving a tour but I believe they gave evidence that she did. Thus why would shy lie about it? Also no confirmation that any in the tour so far have a connection to the insurrection at the Capitol.

I wish they'd keep quiet about this stuff until they can produce actual evidence.

It just creates a situation where, if they can't find proof, the Republicans will point and say "See? Partisan Dem lies."

Obtain the evidence, then go public.

[cubby]

I wish they'd keep quiet about this stuff until they can produce actual evidence.

It just creates a situation where, if they can't find proof, the Republicans will point and say "See? Partisan Dem lies."

Obtain the evidence, then go public.

But they will already lie about anything, so who fucking cares about what they lie about at any given moment. What we get from this is that SHE lied about giving the tour, objectively, and now we can start asking questions like "why would she lie about it?" and, even more importantly, why was she social-media'ing locations of Members of Congress during the Terrorist Insurrection?

I would not be surprised if (a) she is booted from Congress; and (b) see's jail time.

[Orange Joe]

I wish they'd keep quiet about this stuff until they can produce actual evidence.

It just creates a situation where, if they can't find proof, the Republicans will point and say "See? Partisan Dem lies."

Obtain the evidence, then go public.

You act like they wouldn't just hand wave it away anyways.

[Belize]

I wish they'd keep quiet about this stuff until they can produce actual evidence.

It just creates a situation where, if they can't find proof, the Republicans will point and say "See? Partisan Dem lies."

Obtain the evidence, then go public.

There's basically no way they'd go on TV to accuse other Reps of doing that if they didn't have evidence.

The more likely scenario is that it's still under seal because of the investigation.

[Drutt]

But they will already lie about anything,

That's not the point. It isn't about them, it's about not allowing the creation of a he-said-she-said narrative. If they want to lie in the face of the evidence, have at it. The cult will lap it up, but no one else will.

so who fucking cares about what they lie about at any given moment. What we get from this is that SHE lied about giving the tour, objectively, and now we can start asking questions like "why would she lie about it?" and, even more importantly, why was she social-media'ing locations of Members of Congress during the Terrorist Insurrection?

It's not about them lying. That's a given, on current track record. It's about whether or not they're able to inject doubt. Most people aren't highly engaged in news, so if their first encounter here is "Joe Bloggs did it, can't prove it" they'll probably switch off on the topic altogether. If she did it, there will be evidence in a building as heavily wired as the capitol. I just don't see the point in letting a false narrative build if you can wait for a week or two and go public then.

I would not be surprised if (a) she is booted from Congress; and (b) see's jail time.

If there is evidence, can't see how a) is anything other than a foregone conclusion at bare minimum. But then, in a properly functioning democracy Trump would have already been removed from office, so I am poised to be disappointed.

You act like they wouldn't just hand wave it away anyways.

I do not. It's not about whether or not they hand wave it, as I said above. That's a given.

[Xyonai]

Thats just fantasy. No one is/was trying to kick off WW3.

You know it's comments that like that expose your bias

And even then, Trump didn't need to even start a war to get tens of thousands of Americans killed through his bumblefuckery so this whole 'At least he didn't get us into another war!' pearl clutching just becomes morbidly hilarious in hindsight.

[cubby]

That's not the point. It isn't about them, it's about not allowing the creation of a he-said-she-said narrative. If they want to lie in the face of the evidence, have at it. The cult will lap it up, but no one else will.

And you make a good point. However, Cult-Trump would just manufacture some other lie to create a he-said-she-said narrative. They've already done it countless times. I get your point that we shouldn't give them ammo, but the belt feed on that particular gun just never stops running, irrespective of reality.

If there is evidence, can't see how a) is anything other than a foregone conclusion at bare minimum. But then, in a properly functioning democracy Trump would have already been removed from office, so I am poised to be disappointed.

Agreed. On both points.

So glad he's on his way out.

[Ivanstone]

Without Trump in office the phrase RINO probably wouldn't have been popularized. There'd probably be no Q Anon either.

The term RINO started gaining popularity in the 90s. It really took off with the Tea Party when we saw GOP politicians getting primaried.

More to the point Trump isn’t especially shitty in his politics compared to the average Republican. He’s only especially shitty in his attitude and assuming that the GOP will get better because he’s gone is a mistake. Every single one of those 2016 candidates would’ve passed the same tax bill and picked the same Scotus judges.

[cubby]

There's basically no way they'd go on TV to accuse other Reps of doing that if they didn't have evidence.

The more likely scenario is that it's still under seal because of the investigation.

This entire affair may jump start the Truth and Reconciliation Committee (Chairperson: Senator Warren). Give it a wide mandate to include all things "potentially illegally perpetrated by the Trump Administration" and let it run.

[Drutt]

There's basically no way they'd go on TV to accuse other Reps of doing that if they didn't have evidence.

Well, that's what was said by Cohen: he saw it, but he can't prove it. Going to take that at face value for now, because it seems mostly likely to me that he doesn't have any privileged access to security footage. He certainly shouldn't have access to it - that should be secured under "least privilege" security policy. There's no reason for a member of Congress to need direct access to that sort of thing, hence they shouldn't have it.

[Bodakane]

That's not the point. It isn't about them, it's about not allowing the creation of a he-said-she-said narrative. If they want to lie in the face of the evidence, have at it. The cult will lap it up, but no one else will.



It's not about them lying. That's a given, on current track record. It's about whether or not they're able to inject doubt. Most people aren't highly engaged in news, so if their first encounter here is "Joe Bloggs did it, can't prove it" they'll probably switch off on the topic altogether. If she did it, there will be evidence in a building as heavily wired as the capitol. I just don't see the point in letting a false narrative build if you can wait for a week or two and go public then.



If there is evidence, can't see how a) is anything other than a foregone conclusion at bare minimum. But then, in a properly functioning democracy Trump would have already been removed from office, so I am poised to be disappointed.



I do not. It's not about whether or not they hand wave it, as I said above. That's a given.

They are going to create he said/she said type stuff regardless. We have to stop letting fear of their reaction dictate everything.

[Drutt]

They are going to create he said/she said type stuff regardless. We have to stop letting fear of their reaction dictate everything.

You can't create such a narrative if there is hard evidence. At that point, it's not he-said-she-said.

It's nothing to do with fear. It's about the best way to win.

[Bodakane]

You can't create such a narrative if there is hard evidence. At that point, it's not he-said-she-said.

It's nothing to do with fear. It's about the best way to win.

Literally not true and WADR, I'm not sure where you've been for the last 4years, if you don't understand that.

[YUPPIE]

After that shit on the 6th, I'm surprised nothing as insane has come since. I've constantly been anticipating some nationwide anarchy the last few days but it seems Trump is just going away quietly.

[Machismo]

After that shit on the 6th, I'm surprised nothing as insane has come since. I've constantly been anticipating some nationwide anarchy the last few days but it seems Trump is just going away quietly.

Why do you Trumpsters continue to support such things?

[YUPPIE]

Why do you Trumpsters continue to support such things?

I don't support it. But it's just the fact he's going out with no fare or crazy ass plan like those new conspiracy theories circulated around. For a guy that plotted an insurrection of that scope, it's pretty anti-climactic. All it accomplished in hindsight was making him look like an asshole and a coward.

[Machismo]

I don't support it. But it's just the fact he's going out with no fare or crazy ass plan like those new conspiracy theories circulated around. For a guy that plotted an insurrection of that scope, it's pretty anti-climactic. All it accomplished in hindsight was making him look like an asshole and a coward.

That's a lie.

You have been supporting it the entire time, in these very threads. He is an asshole and a coward, and you support him.

[Egomaniac]

This version of history you're describing is called bullshit.

I love the alternative history they are creating that it's the democrats fault that Trump got elected.

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IIRC, he planned to have some big military-style parade/send off, with a red carpet and 21-gun salute, but the Pentagon denied it.

I believe, however, that he’s still taking Air Force One to wherever he plans to go, which isn’t typical—most former Presidents depart on a government jet

Well, most former presidents attend the inauguration of the new one. So when they do depart... they are no longer the President.

Trump's leaving while he's still President...so he still has Air Force One.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Don't you think the taxpayers' money should be used for something more productive than putting those kind of people in prison?

I can think of only a few things more useful than putting away violent insurrectionists and terrorists, and it's not like the government budget is tiny anyway.

Besides, sounds like we need to seize the assets of any Q sympathizing legislators, just like Mueller's investigation seized a whole fuckload of assets and made a profit.