Deplatform Parler good or bad?

[downnola]

Now I feel dumb and ashamed. Sorry about that. Need to go to sleep but can't sleep at the moment so judgement is failing.

I'm pretty sure some users (including a frequent conservative poster, shocker amirite?) were banned for threats of violence against other posters. At least they ban those types of people here.

[Egomaniac]

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Or maybe it's Amazon thinking even breaching contract is worth the cost.
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Or maybe you're just making shit up

[Zan15]

Amazon breached terms of the contract by not giving 30 day notice of termination before pulling the plug.

And because of that Parler has decent chance of winning their case.

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Or maybe it's Amazon thinking even breaching contract is worth the cost.

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I'm all for closing Facebook and Twitter, sure. They are net loss for humanity.

You still pushing this bullshit?

So what you are saying is if Shalcker Inc decided to create a site with AWS services, and Shalcker Inc started hosting CP......They have to allow Shalcker to continue hosting CP for 30 days before they can shut it off?

How about something less illegal like posting people's stolen CC info site? Gotta let them continue to make money selling stolen CC info for 30 days!!!! ???

I can go down to misdemeanors like selling weed/drugs in states where its not legal if you want? Amazon has to allow them to continue to sell weed for 30 days!!!! ???


Have you ever actually read a contract before?
I mean standard language allows them to pull the plug on a lot of shit instantly. Does not even just apply to AWS.
Again this is standard contract language in AWS contract. This is the stuff they cut and paste that has been around for decades.

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Well then, Parler must have had some shitty corporate lawyers if that's all it takes for AWS to drop them.

Imagine the kinds of attorneys that will leave a "We don't like you anymore" clause in a contract their client is about to sign.

Nah its standard service language that gives them a lot of leeway.
They do not even need to prove that there was illegal activities.


"we have the right to refuse service". All business have this right as long as it does not impact a "protected class" and is directed solely at that protected class (like women or a particular race)




_____________________________________________________________
AWS Customer Agreement, key points that make the lawsuit a joke
The actual contract has a lot of this in way more detail.
https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/

This works hand and hand with the terms of service.
https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/

And the Acceptable use policy
https://aws.amazon.com/aup/


Except to the extent caused by our breach of this Agreement, (a) you are responsible for all activities that occur under your account, regardless of whether the activities are authorized by you or undertaken by you, your employees or a third party (including your contractors, agents or End Users), and (b) we and our affiliates are not responsible for unauthorized access to your account.

4.2 Your Content. You will ensure that Your Content and your and End Users’ use of Your Content or the Service Offerings will not violate any of the Policies or any applicable law. You are solely responsible for the development, content, operation, maintenance, and use of Your Content.

4.5 End Users. You will be deemed to have taken any action that you permit, assist or facilitate any person or entity to take related to this Agreement, Your Content or use of the Service Offerings. You are responsible for End Users’ use of Your Content and the Service Offerings. You will ensure that all End Users comply with your obligations under this Agreement and that the terms of your agreement with each End User are consistent with this Agreement. If you become aware of any violation of your obligations under this Agreement caused by an End User, you will immediately suspend access to Your Content and the Service Offerings by such End User. We do not provide any support or services to End Users unless we have a separate agreement with you or an End User obligating us to provide such support or services.



Temporary Suspension.
6.1 Generally. We may suspend your or any End User’s right to access or use any portion or all of the Service Offerings immediately upon notice to you if we determine:

(a) your or an End User’s use of the Service Offerings (i) poses a security risk to the Service Offerings or any third party, (ii) could adversely impact our systems, the Service Offerings or the systems or Content of any other AWS customer, (iii) could subject us, our affiliates, or any third party to liability, or (iv) could be fraudulent;

(b) you are, or any End User is, in breach of this Agreement;

(c) you are in breach of your payment obligations under Section 5; or

(d) you have ceased to operate in the ordinary course, made an assignment for the benefit of creditors or similar disposition of your assets, or become the subject of any bankruptcy, reorganization, liquidation, dissolution or similar proceeding.



7.2 Termination.

(a) Termination for Convenience. You may terminate this Agreement for any reason by providing us notice and closing your account for all Services for which we provide an account closing mechanism. We may terminate this Agreement for any reason by providing you at least 30 days’ advance notice.

(b) Termination for Cause.

(i) By Either Party. Either party may terminate this Agreement for cause if the other party is in material breach of this Agreement and the material breach remains uncured for a period of 30 days from receipt of notice by the other party. No later than the Termination Date, you will close your account.

(ii) By Us. We may also terminate this Agreement immediately upon notice to you (A) for cause if we have the right to suspend under Section 6, (B) if our relationship with a third-party partner who provides software or other technology we use to provide the Service Offerings expires, terminates or requires us to change the way we provide the software or other technology as part of the Services, or (C) in order to comply with the law or requests of governmental entities.





AUP

No Illegal, Harmful, or Offensive Use or Content
You may not use, or encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to use, the Services or AWS Site for any illegal, harmful, fraudulent, infringing or offensive use, or to transmit, store, display, distribute or otherwise make available content that is illegal, harmful, fraudulent, infringing or offensive. Prohibited activities or content include:

Illegal, Harmful or Fraudulent Activities. Any activities that are illegal, that violate the rights of others, or that may be harmful to others, our operations or reputation, including disseminating, promoting or facilitating child pornography, offering or disseminating fraudulent goods, services, schemes, or promotions, make-money-fast schemes, ponzi and pyramid schemes, phishing, or pharming.
Infringing Content. Content that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property or proprietary rights of others.
Offensive Content. Content that is defamatory, obscene, abusive, invasive of privacy, or otherwise objectionable, including content that constitutes child pornography, relates to bestiality, or depicts non-consensual sex acts.
Harmful Content. Content or other computer technology that may damage, interfere with, surreptitiously intercept, or expropriate any system, program, or data, including viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs, or cancelbots.

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Termination for any contractual reason requires 30 day notice.
Parler was taking it down.
Nothing Amazon produced so far was straight illegal - and legality has to be decided by law enforcement.

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Which law specifically applies?

As this "suspension" is functionally indistinguishable from termination, i'm reasonably sure Parler will prove that not giving 30 day notice was breach of contract successfully.

Wrong, Wrong and Wrong.

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There was one day of notice, and contract stipulates 30 days of notice anyway.

And Parler did made an effort.

Again, Parler never refused, and did made an effort.
And Amazon indicated that they are not open to hosting Parler again - which makes it a termination, not suspension.

Wrong, wrong and wrong again


That is why the main crux of amazon's termination was that Parler had no ability to police their own service, on top of the fact they often bragged about not doing it anyway.

Parler even admits to tens of thousands of reports in backlog for moderation for illegal and threatening information posted on their service

[Aphelios]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Machismo]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

SO, choosing to not do business with Nazis means we're going to hell?

[Egomaniac]

Nah its standard service language that gives them a lot of leeway.
They do not even need to prove that there was illegal activities.

Yeah, I know...I was kinda being facetious with Shalcker's idea that there was literal language in the contract that says "We don't like you anymore so Ptttthhbbbb"

[Zan15]

Yeah, I know...I was kinda being facetious with Shalcker's idea that there was literal language in the contract that says "We don't like you anymore so Ptttthhbbbb"

Yah you need to look at employment contracts and laws. In those you are basically allowed to fire someone cause.....well "we just don't like you anymore".

[Egomaniac]

Yah you need to look at employment contracts and laws. In those you are basically allowed to fire someone cause.....well "we just don't like you anymore".

I get it... I'm talking about a LITERAL line that says that though. Like that's the whole termination clause.

[Orange Joe]

You still pushing this bullshit?

So what you are saying is if Shalcker Inc decided to create a site with AWS services, and Shalcker Inc started hosting CP......They have to allow Shalcker to continue hosting CP for 30 days before they can shut it off?

How about something less illegal like posting people's stolen CC info site? Gotta let them continue to make money selling stolen CC info for 30 days!!!! ???

I can go down to misdemeanors like selling weed/drugs in states where its not legal if you want? Amazon has to allow them to continue to sell weed for 30 days!!!! ???


Have you ever actually read a contract before?
I mean standard language allows them to pull the plug on a lot of shit instantly. Does not even just apply to AWS.
Again this is standard contract language in AWS contract. This is the stuff they cut and paste that has been around for decades.

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Nah its standard service language that gives them a lot of leeway.
They do not even need to prove that there was illegal activities.


"we have the right to refuse service". All business have this right as long as it does not impact a "protected class" and is directed solely at that protected class (like women or a particular race)




_____________________________________________________________
AWS Customer Agreement, key points that make the lawsuit a joke
The actual contract has a lot of this in way more detail.
https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/

This works hand and hand with the terms of service.
https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/

And the Acceptable use policy
https://aws.amazon.com/aup/


Except to the extent caused by our breach of this Agreement, (a) you are responsible for all activities that occur under your account, regardless of whether the activities are authorized by you or undertaken by you, your employees or a third party (including your contractors, agents or End Users), and (b) we and our affiliates are not responsible for unauthorized access to your account.

4.2 Your Content. You will ensure that Your Content and your and End Users’ use of Your Content or the Service Offerings will not violate any of the Policies or any applicable law. You are solely responsible for the development, content, operation, maintenance, and use of Your Content.

4.5 End Users. You will be deemed to have taken any action that you permit, assist or facilitate any person or entity to take related to this Agreement, Your Content or use of the Service Offerings. You are responsible for End Users’ use of Your Content and the Service Offerings. You will ensure that all End Users comply with your obligations under this Agreement and that the terms of your agreement with each End User are consistent with this Agreement. If you become aware of any violation of your obligations under this Agreement caused by an End User, you will immediately suspend access to Your Content and the Service Offerings by such End User. We do not provide any support or services to End Users unless we have a separate agreement with you or an End User obligating us to provide such support or services.



Temporary Suspension.
6.1 Generally. We may suspend your or any End User’s right to access or use any portion or all of the Service Offerings immediately upon notice to you if we determine:

(a) your or an End User’s use of the Service Offerings (i) poses a security risk to the Service Offerings or any third party, (ii) could adversely impact our systems, the Service Offerings or the systems or Content of any other AWS customer, (iii) could subject us, our affiliates, or any third party to liability, or (iv) could be fraudulent;

(b) you are, or any End User is, in breach of this Agreement;

(c) you are in breach of your payment obligations under Section 5; or

(d) you have ceased to operate in the ordinary course, made an assignment for the benefit of creditors or similar disposition of your assets, or become the subject of any bankruptcy, reorganization, liquidation, dissolution or similar proceeding.



7.2 Termination.

(a) Termination for Convenience. You may terminate this Agreement for any reason by providing us notice and closing your account for all Services for which we provide an account closing mechanism. We may terminate this Agreement for any reason by providing you at least 30 days’ advance notice.

(b) Termination for Cause.

(i) By Either Party. Either party may terminate this Agreement for cause if the other party is in material breach of this Agreement and the material breach remains uncured for a period of 30 days from receipt of notice by the other party. No later than the Termination Date, you will close your account.

(ii) By Us. We may also terminate this Agreement immediately upon notice to you (A) for cause if we have the right to suspend under Section 6, (B) if our relationship with a third-party partner who provides software or other technology we use to provide the Service Offerings expires, terminates or requires us to change the way we provide the software or other technology as part of the Services, or (C) in order to comply with the law or requests of governmental entities.





AUP

No Illegal, Harmful, or Offensive Use or Content
You may not use, or encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to use, the Services or AWS Site for any illegal, harmful, fraudulent, infringing or offensive use, or to transmit, store, display, distribute or otherwise make available content that is illegal, harmful, fraudulent, infringing or offensive. Prohibited activities or content include:

Illegal, Harmful or Fraudulent Activities. Any activities that are illegal, that violate the rights of others, or that may be harmful to others, our operations or reputation, including disseminating, promoting or facilitating child pornography, offering or disseminating fraudulent goods, services, schemes, or promotions, make-money-fast schemes, ponzi and pyramid schemes, phishing, or pharming.
Infringing Content. Content that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property or proprietary rights of others.
Offensive Content. Content that is defamatory, obscene, abusive, invasive of privacy, or otherwise objectionable, including content that constitutes child pornography, relates to bestiality, or depicts non-consensual sex acts.
Harmful Content. Content or other computer technology that may damage, interfere with, surreptitiously intercept, or expropriate any system, program, or data, including viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs, or cancelbots.

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Wrong, Wrong and Wrong.

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Wrong, wrong and wrong again


That is why the main crux of amazon's termination was that Parler had no ability to police their own service, on top of the fact they often bragged about not doing it anyway.

Parler even admits to tens of thousands of reports in backlog for moderation for illegal and threatening information posted on their service

Whelp there goes shalckers turnips for the month. Are you happy now?

[Zan15]

Whelp there goes shalckers turnips for the month. Are you happy now?

i had a very weird tingly.... while typing and cutting/pasting those things.
is that wrong?

[Orange Joe]

i had a very weird tingly.... while typing and cutting/pasting those things.
is that wrong?

That depends on where it was "tingling" lmao

[Zython]

My take is that given that there's no evidence that anyone opposing deplatforming Parler is doing so for moral reasons, it's clear they oppose it purely due to its efficacy.

[Poopymonster]

That depends on where it was "tingling" lmao

It's something that's come up in the last decade.

[Elegiac]

My take is that given that there's no evidence that anyone opposing deplatforming Parler is doing so for moral reasons, it's clear they oppose it purely due to its efficacy.

Just to underscore this...

In the wake of the deadly January 6 riot at the US Capitol that President Donald Trump heavily promoted on social media, platforms including Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, and others finally moved to ban the president.

The result? A sudden drop in the online spread of election misinformation.

According to research by Zignal Labs, which the Washington Post reported on Saturday, online misinformation about election fraud plunged 73 percent in the weeklong period following Twitter’s decision to ban Trump on January 8.

There are other factors that could have contributed to the decline, including diminished hopes on the far right of overturning the presidential election after Congress affirmed Joe Biden’s electoral victory. But to the extent that Twitter’s ban and the related scrubbing of right-wing conspiracy accounts were aimed at curbing disinformation, they appear to be working, at least in the short term. Not only has the spread of misinformation slowed, the research indicates online discussion around the topics that motivated the Capitol riot has also diminished.

“Zignal found that the use of hashtags affiliated with the Capitol riot also dipped considerably,” writes the Post, summarizing Zignal’s research. “Mentions of the hashtag #FightforTrump, which was widely deployed across Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and other social media services in the week before the rally, dropped 95 percent. #HoldTheLine and the term ‘March for Trump’ also fell more than 95 percent.”

More evidence showing the folks that oppose deplatforming primarily do so because it, you know, actually works and is an existential threat to American conservatism.

[Lenonis]

1. Great.

Great great.

2. Neither did I, i wrote INFLUENCES elections. So you either did not read what i wrote or misunderstood on purpose.

In ancient Rome people had the Forum Romanum. It was THE meeting place, where ideas were discussed, triumphal processions were held, elections and trials too,

If you are going to lie be better about it.

3. And you misunderstand me again, on purpose.

Just like you lied. On purpose.

4. And again, not what i wrote. Do you even read what i write? I wrote that Twitter is buying up possible competitors to insure that their power and reach is not dimished, and they have quite a lot of those. If no competition is allowed to manifest, how free are you when it comes to your choice in reaching all those people?

The fact that Twitter isn't a monopoly is evidence that competition is allowed to manifest. You are really bad at this.

[Felya]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

There is not such thing as hell...

[Poopymonster]

There is not such thing as hell...

I beg to differ. I've been there.

[Felya]

More evidence showing the folks that oppose deplatforming primarily do so because it, you know, actually works and is an existential threat to American conservatism.

I don’t understand why social media is different to these people, than sports or music? They have shit fits when ever athletes or musicians say anything politically... but, are fighting to keep Trump and his supporters on my comedy and comic book writers Twitter feed...

[Elegiac]

I don’t understand why social media is different to these people, than sports or music? They have shit fits when ever athletes or musicians say anything politically... but, are fighting to keep Trump and his supporters on my comedy and comic book writers Twitter feed...

Because they know deplatforming works, they just want other people deplatformed and have the luxury of representing the status quo.

Remember kids; if it challenges systemic oppression it's "political", but if it supports systemic oppression it's "patriotic".

[Ripster42]

I beg to differ. I've been there.

That's fake hell. This is real hell.