Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Granyala]

There is evidence one of the long term effects is ED, but well, that'll just mean Pfizer just makes money from them anyways with Viagra sales.

ED? Never heard of that one.

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However, there's also some vaccine "hesitancy" among nursing staff so maybe they aren't vaccinated. (Exactly how to deal with that will depend on the various countries.)

My guess: ultimately it will come down to a "soft" form of pressure like: "you want to work in this profession? Then you will have to be vaccinated or we won't employ you.".
Doubt that most states will bother with hard legislation.

[beanman12345]

ED? Never heard of that one.

It's the gift that keeps on giving!!!
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/y...nction-in-men/

[Vash The Stampede]

It's the gift that keeps on giving!!!
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/y...nction-in-men/

For some reason COVID is effecting the heart and therefore causing erectile dysfunction.

[Forogil]

It's the gift that keeps on giving!!!
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/y...nction-in-men/

I see that as fear-mongering.

That link doesn't give any evidence of it existing.

The actual study suggested it as a possibility - to quote the methods and conclusion says it all:
"A literature research on the possible mechanisms involved in the development of ED in COVID-19 survivors was performed. COVID-19 survivors might develop sexual and reproductive health issues. Andrological assessment and tailored treatments should be considered in the follow-up."

So, basically - it's a possibility and it should be investigated.
If it happens we would then need to find out how common, and how it develops. And, of course, the studies need to separate out it from pre-existing development; as age is a major risk-factor.

But psychological suffering is both bad in itself and may also cause ED; so I don't see that spreading rumors about possible ED is helpful.

[Zan15]

If we're talking about mortally ill people, who are a few days/months away from dying that's mostly medical personnel, which is vaccinated anyway.

and being vaccinated is not 100% protection. Especially with the weird ramp up of variants it might still not be a bad idea.
Also I imagine lawyers are circling waiting to sue because you did not give it to a 104 year old grandmother and she died of covid even though she was as you say "mortally ill" already. At least in this country.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Looks as if the vaccine might be too little too late.

Germany is the latest country to discover a new mutation of the coronavirus, with a new variant identified among a group of hospital patients in Bavaria.

Local news outlets first reported on Monday that an unknown variant of the coronavirus had been discovered among 35 patients at a hospital in the Bavarian ski town of Garmisch-Partenkirchen, southeast Germany.

The altered virus was found in 35 of 73 newly-infected people in the hospital, Bavarian news outlet BR24 reported Monday. Samples are now reportedly being examined at the Charité university hospital in Berlin.

Officials said the variant is different from recently discovered variants in the U.K. and South Africa.

The hospital’s deputy medical director Clemens Stockklausner told a press briefing on Monday that there was no understanding, as yet, on whether the mutation made the virus more transmissible (as with the variants discovered in Britain and South Africa), or more deadly.

“At the moment we have discovered a small point mutation … and it is absolutely not clear whether it will be of clinical relevance,” Stockklausner said. “We have to wait for the complete sequencing.”

Neither the British nor South Africa variants have been found to cause more fatalities, although as a result of their ability to spread more easily, they have caused more infections, hospitalizations and, sadly, more deaths. The U.K. and Ireland, in particular, have seen a rapid spread of the mutated virus, which has caused a surge in infections and left some hospitals struggling with an influx of patients.

Information about the new variant found in Germany emerged on the same day that the country’s Health Minister Jens Spahn said the current level of coronavirus sequencing in the country was not sufficient and that laboratories would be obliged (and compensated) to sequence coronavirus samples to monitor virus mutations.

A handful of other countries that have discovered coronavirus mutations, including the U.K. and South Africa, are renowned for their large-scale surveillance and genome sequencing of coronavirus samples.

Last week, Dr. Janosch Dahmen, a physician and German parliamentarian with the Green party, told CNBC that “we need a more precise crisis mode here in Germany to fight the pandemic, and I’m very concerned that the numbers (of infections) will go far higher up like we can see in Great Britain and Ireland at the minute.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/19/new-...n-bavaria.html

[Crispin]

Looks as if the vaccine might be too little too late.

Nothing indicates that the vaccines will be less effective.

Viruses mutate, and Covid will keep doing so. It does not mean that the vaccines wont work. Heck there’s a chance it’ll become less deadly.

[Zan15]

Starting tomorrow all 40+ yo can get a vaccine locally. Another half a million vaccine shots landed yesterday.

wow just wow.
congrats to you guys for being the leader and shining example of a well run machine.

wish we could run at even 25% of your level.

[Edge-]

wow just wow.
congrats to you guys for being the leader and shining example of a well run machine.

wish we could run at even 25% of your level.

Man, I'm feeling lucky if I can get the vaccine by the end of summer. I'm technically in the summer group, but with the way things are going so far I'm fully expecting delays unless the incoming administration can work some magic to secure more vaccines, unfuck the distribution, and somehow get Congress to authorize more money for state and local governments so they can actually pay for larger vaccine rollout programs.

Last I heard in my area they were desperate for volunteers to administer the shots and were trying to recruit retired doctors and nurses.

[PhaelixWW]

Looks as if the vaccine might be too little too late.

That's not at all what that article is saying. SARS-CoV-2 has mutated at least hundreds of thousands of times. Some are minuscule changes, some are more pronounced. None, as of yet, have proven to be more lethal. Only 2 or 3 have proven to have improved transmissibility. And none have been been proven or even indicated to be resistant to the vaccine.

Also, there are a number of different vaccines that work in a number of different ways. Even if one vaccine is rendered less effective against a mutated strain, another vaccine might be less impacted.

[Vash The Stampede]

"Almost a third of recovered Covid patients return to hospital in five months and one in eight die." That is an alarming statistic. They aren't dying from COVID directly but from, "developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions.". Developing diabetes from COVID seems to be common.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-th...180255388.html

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If the statistic is correct then 1/3rd of 24 million COVID cases in US is 80 million and 1/8th of that is 10 million. So on top of the 400k dead directly from COVID, we have an additional 10 million dead from those who recovered? Is that correct?

[beanman12345]

Man, I'm feeling lucky if I can get the vaccine by the end of summer. I'm technically in the summer group, but with the way things are going so far I'm fully expecting delays unless the incoming administration can work some magic to secure more vaccines, unfuck the distribution, and somehow get Congress to authorize more money for state and local governments so they can actually pay for larger vaccine rollout programs.

Last I heard in my area they were desperate for volunteers to administer the shots and were trying to recruit retired doctors and nurses.

All of our stockpile in Chicago, interesting situation, 40% hasn't been going to Chicago residents, but healthcare workers who commute from suburbs, but all work in the city but don't count as Chicago vaccinations. We finished phase 1a and moving to phase 1b, 65+ and essential workers, all Chicago residents, but which is made up of about 700k citizens. Chicago getting 35k dosages a week right now. Hope Biden can deliver.

[PhaelixWW]

"Almost a third of recovered Covid patients return to hospital in five months and one in eight die." That is an alarming statistic. They aren't dying from COVID directly but from, "developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions.". Developing diabetes from COVID seems to be common.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-th...180255388.html

**EDIT**
If the statistic is correct then 1/3rd of 24 million COVID cases in US is 80 million and 1/8th of that is 10 million. So on top of the 400k dead directly from COVID, we have an additional 10 million dead from those who recovered? Is that correct?

No, the article is misleading. It's only talking about people who were hospitalized in the first place. The mean age was 65 and many probably already had underlying conditions.

Edit 1:
It says it includes ~48k people in the UK who were released from the hospital alive, with the cutoff date of 8/31. The UK had ~336 confirmed cases at that point, and the total amount of actual cases back then, when testing was also subpar, is probably much, much higher, when you add in all the asymptomatic / lightly symptomatic people who were never tested.

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Also, it's not 1/8th of the 1/3, it's 1/3 of the total returned to hospitalization, and a little less than 1/2 of those ended up dying.

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Keep in mind, too, that at least some of this number were probably marked as COVID deaths at the time, even if they were released and then readmitted. The study is talking about 5.9k dead at a time when the UK "officially" had 41.5k dead. Even if every single one of these readmitted deaths was not counted as a COVID death, it's still actually under what we expect the UK's underreporting amount is, just based on their excess deaths for that period.

[Vash The Stampede]

No, the article is misleading. It's only talking about people who were hospitalized in the first place. The mean age was 65 and many probably already had underlying conditions.

It says it includes ~48k people in the UK who were released from the hospital alive, with the cutoff date of 8/31. The UK had ~336 confirmed cases at that point, and the total amount of actual cases back then, when testing was also subpar, is probably much, much higher, when you add in all the asymptomatic / lightly symptomatic people who were never tested.

Also, it's not 1/8th of the 1/3, it's 1/3 of the total returned to hospitalization, and a little less than 1/2 of those ended up dying.

That makes sense but how many were hospitalized? I can find current and weekly hospitalizations but not total. It's not 10 million like I calculated but it does seem rather large.

[PhaelixWW]

That makes sense but how many were hospitalized? I can find current and weekly hospitalizations but not total. It's not 10 million like I calculated but it does seem rather large.

The actual study I linked says specifically 47,780 patients released from hospital care alive, with an mean age of 64.5 years.

Of the total, 29.4% (14,060) were readmitted.

Of the total, 12.3% (5,875) ultimately died.

Edit:
Graphic from the study...

[Forogil]

No, the article is misleading. It's only talking about people who were hospitalized in the first place. The mean age was 65 and many probably already had underlying conditions.

Yes, and looking at table 1 you can remove "probably".

However, to me the interesting statistics is figure 1.
86,955 got into hospital
33,160 died there (assumedly, or what else does "not discharged alive" mean)
6,025 weren't included in the study
5,875 of the ones released from hospital and included in study died
Obviously many had health-problems from the start (in particular they were over-weight and elderly), but even if all new deaths were due to covid-19 it's still seems like it were about an 18% increase in mortality for these severe cases. Another possibility would be that some were released without being cured, in order to "die in peace".

For re-admission there's also a possibility that all the discussion about long-covid made it more likely that they were re-admitted (better safe than sorry).

An important question is whether studies of various treatments (dexamatasol, remdesivir, bleach (jk!)) include such long term effects.

[PhaelixWW]

33,160 died there (assumedly, or what else does "not discharged alive" mean)

Obviously many had health-problems from the start (in particular they were over-weight and elderly), but even if all new deaths were due to covid-19 it's still seems like it were about an 18% increase in mortality for these severe cases.

Total "official" deaths in the UK at that point was 41,501; the remainder of deaths just happened outside a hospital.

So the increase in mortality would be about 12.4-14.2%, depending on how many of those extra 5,875 deaths were actually counted in the official total at the time.

[Granyala]

It's the gift that keeps on giving!!!
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/y...nction-in-men/

Oh... that's what ED means... heh.

and being vaccinated is not 100% protection. Especially with the weird ramp up of variants it might still not be a bad idea.
Also I imagine lawyers are circling waiting to sue because you did not give it to a 104 year old grandmother and she died of covid even though she was as you say "mortally ill" already. At least in this country.

All good points.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Nothing indicates that the vaccines will be less effective.

Viruses mutate, and Covid will keep doing so. It does not mean that the vaccines wont work. Heck there’s a chance it’ll become less deadly.

Well the one from the U.K the vaccine shows to be as effective, not for the South African and South American Variant.

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That's not at all what that article is saying. SARS-CoV-2 has mutated at least hundreds of thousands of times. Some are minuscule changes, some are more pronounced. None, as of yet, have proven to be more lethal. Only 2 or 3 have proven to have improved transmissibility. And none have been been proven or even indicated to be resistant to the vaccine.

Also, there are a number of different vaccines that work in a number of different ways. Even if one vaccine is rendered less effective against a mutated strain, another vaccine might be less impacted.

The article says the vaccine is going to be less effective for some of the newer variants and if it takes too long to get those now vaccinated my personal opinion is it's probably going to be too late.

It's taking too long to get vaccinated

[Yunru]

Well the one from the U.K the vaccine shows to be as effective, not for the South African and South American Variant.

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The article says the vaccine is going to be less effective for some of the newer variants and if it takes too long to get those now vaccinated my personal opinion is it's probably going to be too late.

It's taking too long to get vaccinated

It would still be more effective to force people indoors for 2 weeks by army and suppy them with food than waiting for vaccine. (and also close all borders)

This should stop virus from mutating a bit and buy time to get people vaccinated after.



By timeline we had 300 people infected here at start and then it went to 0. Now its on 22579 FFS.