Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Machismo]

surely if we are going to be this vague we can just change a few words....

'And yet, many self-decribed liberals seek to be in charge. They want to use force and violence to compel others to capitulate, and then rule over them. Case in point... capitalists'

ok im out

That is sometimes the case. But, anarcho-commu nests have a violent history,and want to force their brand of communism onto others.

There's plenty of self-described capitalists who are little more than fascists.

[Milchshake]

And yet, many self-decribed anarchists seek to be in charge. They want to use force and violence to compel others to capitulate, and then rule over them. Case in point... anarch-communists.

Basically Zuckerberg in the Social Network, they want a Finals Club where they get to be in charge.

[Cthulhu 2020]

...but are anarchists really on the left vs right spectrum? I always thought they were kind of a third dimension to the axis where they only care about government size but don't really have an aligned stance on policy.

When Republicans are in power, anarchists are seen as leftist. When Democrats are in power, they are more aligned with the right. They're a rolling shit ball that tends to pick up loose stones from either party. Democrats in control and an anarchist demonstration is coming up? You can bet you'll see Republicans there in the ranks.

Remember during Obama's years when every Republican started cosplaying as libertarians? Yeah, it's kinda similar to that.

[jonnysensible]

When Republicans are in power, anarchists are seen as leftist. When Democrats are in power, they are more aligned with the right. They're a rolling shit ball that tends to pick up loose stones from either party. Democrats in control and an anarchist demonstration is coming up? You can bet you'll see Republicans there in the ranks.

Remember during Obama's years when every Republican started cosplaying as libertarians? Yeah, it's kinda similar to that.

what the fuck, do none of you read any theory

[Milchshake]

what the fuck, do none of you read any theory

Trying to fit the American Electorate into British Boxes. Then complaining that we dont fit.

Seems like a Tory problem, m'lord.

[jonnysensible]

Trying to fit the American Electorate into British Boxes. Then complaining that we dont fit.

Seems like a Tory problem, m'lord.

wot the fok, political philosophy doesnt change based on what country it is in, they might have different characteristics/needs but saying things 'anarchists are seen as leftist' is plainly wrong, they are leftist. saying things like 'anarchist are aligned with the right' is insane.

you understand basic things like an anarchist in the UK or American share the same political philosophy right?

The problem with these posts is you are describing completely different things and you dont seem to have a basic grasp of the words you are using.

[JohnBrown1917]

Trying to fit the American Electorate into British Boxes. Then complaining that we dont fit.

Seems like a Tory problem, m'lord.

You know, Genn or milschake or whatever, but has nobody told that Anarchist philosophers are from all across the world, the brits did not invent Anarchy.


You should look past American and British history for once.

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When Republicans are in power, anarchists are seen as leftist. When Democrats are in power, they are more aligned with the right. They're a rolling shit ball that tends to pick up loose stones from either party. Democrats in control and an anarchist demonstration is coming up? You can bet you'll see Republicans there in the ranks.

Remember during Obama's years when every Republican started cosplaying as libertarians? Yeah, it's kinda similar to that.

If you have no idea what Anarchism is, dont talk about it.

[Jastall]

...but are anarchists really on the left vs right spectrum? I always thought they were kind of a third dimension to the axis where they only care about government size but don't really have an aligned stance on policy.

It's indeed not a movement that is easy to place on the traditional left-right spectrum. They want as small a government as possible which in theory is more of a right-wing policy (in the US at least) but they are also viscerally opposed to any form of hierarchy which is more the purview of the left-wing.

Overall I'd say if they had a gun pointed at their heads and had to choose, most anarchists would veer left rather than right. But the distinction isn't very important to the ideology as a whole.

[wunksta]

Sorry, I feel like it's a stretch to say that anarchists pose the same kind of existential threat that white nationalism does when white nationalists are deeply entrenched in many layers of society and have carried out many large scale terrorist attacks over the years.

[Draco-Onis]

wot the fok, political philosophy doesnt change based on what country it is in, they might have different characteristics/needs but saying things 'anarchists are seen as leftist' is plainly wrong, they are leftist. saying things like 'anarchist are aligned with the right' is insane.

you understand basic things like an anarchist in the UK or American share the same political philosophy right?

The problem with these posts is you are describing completely different things and you dont seem to have a basic grasp of the words you are using.

Let me explain American politics ascribe labels based on what sounds negative not actual ideologies, for example Obama was a socialist communist fascist president at least according to the right for 8 years. It's not really about the basics because if we were going by basics both left and right wing politics would be classified as different spectrums of conservatism.

[Lenonis]

It's indeed not a movement that is easy to place on the traditional left-right spectrum. They want as small a government as possible which in theory is more of a right-wing policy (in the US at least) but they are also viscerally opposed to any form of hierarchy which is more the purview of the left-wing.

Overall I'd say if they had a gun pointed at their heads and had to choose, most anarchists would veer left rather than right. But the distinction isn't very important to the ideology as a whole.

Sounds like it's a little bit of a horseshoe effect where because of how extreme they are it looks like far left and far right all at once.

However in poking around it appears that traditionally they are considered a far left movement but not really in any sense of the term "leftist" that people use. It's too extreme an ideology to really fit in a traditional political model since all traditional political models have some form of government as the vehicle for policy.

[JohnBrown1917]

Sounds like it's a little bit of a horseshoe effect where because of how extreme they are it looks like far left and far right all at once.

However in poking around it appears that traditionally they are considered a far left movement but not really in any sense of the term "leftist" that people use. It's too extreme an ideology to really fit in a traditional political model since all traditional political models have some form of government as the vehicle for policy.

Nothing about Anarchism is far right because the amount of power a government has has nothing to do with what is left or right. And Anarchism societies do have governments, just not the liberaldemocratic kind.

[Endus]

Sounds like it's a little bit of a horseshoe effect where because of how extreme they are it looks like far left and far right all at once.

However in poking around it appears that traditionally they are considered a far left movement but not really in any sense of the term "leftist" that people use. It's too extreme an ideology to really fit in a traditional political model since all traditional political models have some form of government as the vehicle for policy.

You can make a solid argument that the lack of any policy views or opinions (because, naturally, anarchists don't want a government that can implement any policy) means they don't lean either left or right. They're basically centrist, but centrist-by-absence rather than centrist-by-intent. The dial never gets shifted in either direction at all. I wouldn't say the baseline natural state of all things is far-left, and that's essentially what centrists are arguing for.

[Bodakane]

Sorry, I feel like it's a stretch to say that anarchists pose the same kind of existential threat that white nationalism does when white nationalists are deeply entrenched in many layers of society and have carried out many large scale terrorist attacks over the years.

Wait...are you saying that there's facists in positions of power......but there's no anarchists....in the government??????????

I suppose next you'll want me to believe Cheetoh orange is not a healthy skin color......

[Felya]

And Anarchism societies do have governments, just not the liberaldemocratic kind.

What kind are they?

[nonameelf]

What kind are they?

The regional warlord kind usually.

[Grapemask]

It's interesting that Fox immediately called the Portland stuff "insurrection" (it's the title of the article they're running right now), but not the thing in the capitol a couple weeks back.

Apparently, insurrection isn't when you take over the nation's capitol shouting "hang Mike Pence." It's when you riot at some random facility in Portland.

[jonnysensible]

What kind are they?

decentralized federations of autonomous workplace and community assemblies.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/house...b674575ae423ae

The fuck is with Republican members of the House trying to bring concealed weapons onto the House floor, weeks after an attempted insurrection where rioters, some armed, stormed the Capitol building?

Why does he need a fuckin gun on the House floor? Is he gonna get mugged by a House staffer or something in front of CSPAN cameras?

[Ripster42]

decentralized federations of autonomous workplace and community assemblies.

So basically easy pickings for dictators who are willing to genocide 1/2 the population into servility.