im not sure why you're complaining im a ret paladin 200 ilvl pvp and i got hit by a DH horde for 24k and he just finished me off with 1 more button, how is this even possible? LOL
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Rets do it more consistently with spells that have shorter cooldowns than the hunt and don't have cast times. I play a ret paladin, bud. Either paladins need to be tuned down or everyone else needs to be tuned up.
I was putting out more consistent damage on my undergeared paladin than my 200 ilvl rogue. It's not even worth trying to defend.
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this isnt rly a good metric to go by,remember early wrath?ret was WAY more insane than it is now,and there were no ret teams there either in WC,a class can still be rly strong vs low to mid tier players(like 90% atleast of the population),but still be useless vs more dominant high skillcap comps that can control them good
1) Ret damage is not overtuned considering fire, sub, balance, ww, MM, affi all do extremely strong burst. Then you have warriors, enhance, ele, spriest who do good enough damage, mostly have good mobility and defensives. OVERALL burst being high, TTK low which is causing most dumb players cry out in theirs when they are getting spanked in there 10% vers gear.
2) Ret healing is strong, with the recent nerf it takes care of it, maybe could be reduced further or changing the Healing Hands talent but we then need more mobility. Could rework Healing Hands or alternatively sprint on Judgment over Healing Hands and leave WoG as is.
How is this true? Well, look at leaderboards. No, not sub 2K but above. You don't see many Rets.
You reduce damage and take majority of self healing abilities away and you are stuck with a class with 0 mobility and defensives that cannot compete. Problem is giving 1800 to 2100 rating different iLVLs that can shit on players who are 10+ iLVLs below. The upgraded gear should be available at 1500 to 1600 (as is) and that's it. Then 2.2K should reward 233 weapons but even that's a push.
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So you balance game to low rated players? This is the reason WoW is like it is today. You balance mid/high tiers not low tiers where people will loose to poor classes like DKs and DHs right now (both which are "meh" atmo).
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Subjective. How long was the match? No, Rets are not top tier choice. WoG was indeed powerful but its due to Healing Hands. Could be nerfed further but then give us mobility to balance it out as right now, you can kite Ret. Ret is squishy as fuck anyway.
HOW TO BEAT RET - In 3 easy steps:
- Focus and force bubble in first 30 seconds.
- Play defensive/kite.
- Go for kill second go around. Can't survive till then? Get better.
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So the lack of abilities should make Rets do less damage. Most melee is "face across their keyboard" gameplay. Outside of 2minutes, Rets damage is just about passable.
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Stop being bad then because that damage is just about standard. Crying when getting spanked due to iLVL differences. LOL!
-K
I mean probably got slapped with Divine Toll proc and Final Verdict? HP means nothing, what's your versatility, I would like a screenshot. Also it's all subjective, gear is everything and root of major problems in current state of PVP/Arenas.
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If you are perma-CCd you are playing the game wrong.
-K
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Found 2 rets.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ga...aderboards/3v3
-K
Last edited by BeepBoo; 2021-01-26 at 03:58 PM.
Ive got 17% Vers. I am fine getting plain wrecked, I don't mind that at all, but the fact that they can just insta heal form dead to full 30 times in a fight is just plain dumb design. The other thing that is just plain dumb is being perma CC'd or not being able to close the gap on my RP walking DK is just plain unfun.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ga...aderboards/3v3
I said US leaderboard.
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So now we have a discrepancy 50/50, does US ladder automatically = accurate class balance metric? Lol...
Between 2150 to R1 for 3v3 USA:
519 Fire
467 Arms
381 Spriest
339 Rets
301 Sub
263 Balance
257 WWs
162 Ele
150 DK
129 MM
114 Enhance
106 Feral
101 Affi
59 DH
Now there are variables such as overall population of the classes and synergy, but that does not take away from the fact anything past WW needs looking into. Like I said, WoG is strong, the damage isn't. WoG (Healing Hands) is the reason for higher than usual representation of Ret in Arena which currently everyone is hating since not being viable for a long time. Then iLVL being the reason for crazy damage across variety of classes.
iLVL = everything
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Additional Class represeantations for 2s, 3s globally:
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/2v2/
https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/3v3/
Last edited by Mister K; 2021-01-26 at 04:14 PM.
-K
Seems like a learn to play issue to me, can you give more insight why paladins need a nerf? What was your versa at the time, what gear did you have vs the Paladin? You do know that Paladins have the most telegraphed burst in the game, you know those golden wings = bad, run away/kite/cc. Please by all means ask for adjustments, but make it constructive, don't just post "10k vedict crits".