View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #27341
    There are plenty of people talking about helping the UK succeed: They talk about improving the bad deal you have which is currently harming business. They talk about getting back to a closer relationship with the EU or even membership in time. Just because the things they advocate are not things you agree with does not mean they are not heartfelt or intended for the betterment of the nation. Many posters here have asked - at times sarcastically, I'll admit - for benefits to Brexit that could even begin to make up for what they see as drawbacks, and they have been left with vague notions of "Opportunities" and Dribbles rantings. If you want positivity then feed it something.

    You won the vote on Brexit, but that does not mean they cannot desire to undo what they feel are disastrous consequences of that vote.

  2. #27342
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    I never said you did not have a right to be upset, if you can find where i said that please feel free to link it.
    I never said you are not allowed to criticise the UK
    , what i said was the constant barrage of negativity and constant doom and gloom fear-mongering by some people in this thread is not helping anyone, when will it stop, will you still be on this thread in 10 years time doing the same thing. All i am looking for is a balanced and fair forum where one side does not get to dictate what can be discussed or can not be discussed. And i don't want to be attacked for holding a different viewpoint than mine.

    As for Deeply deeply offensive, i am sorry that the vote has made your life harder, but i am not sure why you find me saying that people need to adjust is some offensive on my part, its a reality, we have left and the truth is people need to readjust. i am not saying it with malice, i am saying it as the vote has been cast and the outcome has already been decided.

    Could the UK government be doing better, you bet ya, sometimes i wonder what the hell they are doing, you will not get any finger waving from me at the way they have been acting the last year or the way they are dealing with covid. It has not been up to scratch.

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    Once again you have missed the point.

    It's like you refuse to see any other point that is not yours, remember I am a lone person here, your part of the bubble, leave your bubble and try and understand what other people are saying instead of the circle jerk that stand around and all node heads with you.

    thank you
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    You really need to start getting behind your country and accept the result that we have left. A couple of you guys are beginning to sound like those antifa guys in portland with the fuck Joe sign, let it all burn etc.

    You also need to stop talking as everyone is some sort of racist or a bigot, People voted for many different reasons, but you're trying to paint them all as if they are the Hitler ss youth brigade or something.

    If you have a problem with lies, go protest against the people that made those lies, stop trying to take it out on people that have recorded their vote in a democratic process.

    Are they a couple of racists that voted to leave the EU, there sure are but that's like calling the entire remain party a bunch of perverts if a couple of pedo's voted to stay? It's not right and you and some of the others on this thread need to stop it.

    Get behind your country and stop trying to tear it down all the time, we have had years of this shit already.

    Accept the result and stop with your constant hate.
    But you did tho

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    Pity, I for one will miss his posts where he contradicts himself within two paragraphs.
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  4. #27344
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Pity, I for one will miss his posts where he contradicts himself within two paragraphs.
    Look, he won't come back to the thread if people go about READING what he writes. Savages.

    As for Brexit positives, this is like, the worst time to be looking for them. In the "cutting off the healthy legs" analogy, this is like asking them while the saw is still dripping "does it hurt much?"; to that end asking for them right now seems a little silly.
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  5. #27345
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Pity, I for one will miss his posts where he contradicts himself within two paragraphs.
    The US media acts like Brexit didn't even happen. I assume that is because it Brexit is not going well.

    Then I read up on what Dribbles and Sircaw are saying in support of Brexit and realize it's going VERY poorly.

    And the EU people here make it quite clear that EU is just moving on.

    It is sad to me that the UK is basically committing national suicide. Then again, the US seems to be racing the UK to the bottom.

    When I listen to other Americans discussing Brexit and/or EU, the few times they come up, it kind of is weird that this thread provides more and better information than anything that other Americans are getting.

  6. #27346
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    The US media acts like Brexit didn't even happen. I assume that is because it Brexit is not going well.

    Then I read up on what Dribbles and Sircaw are saying in support of Brexit and realize it's going VERY poorly.

    And the EU people here make it quite clear that EU is just moving on.

    It is sad to me that the UK is basically committing national suicide. Then again, the US seems to be racing the UK to the bottom.

    When I listen to other Americans discussing Brexit and/or EU, the few times they come up, it kind of is weird that this thread provides more and better information than anything that other Americans are getting.
    I dunno, the Americans look like they've deployed their parachute, while the UK is still insisting that it still has plenty of time in the race to the bottom.

  7. #27347
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    I dunno, the Americans look like they've deployed their parachute, while the UK is still insisting that it still has plenty of time in the race to the bottom.
    Yeah, leaving the EU has far more implications on a country, than leaving the WHO and the paris climate agreement. It's not a "Hey we got a new Prime minister, we're back boys!" kind of thing.

    They basicly went from travelling between California and Arizona, to traveling between California and Mexico, among other things, well explained in this article

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ishingly-steep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    I dunno, the Americans look like they've deployed their parachute, while the UK is still insisting that it still has plenty of time in the race to the bottom.
    They've got the wound bandaged up, at least.

    They're not quite out of the woods yet in regards to the reforms and restructuring necessary to handle the long term issue that is the creeping fascism of Trumpism.

  9. #27349
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    They've got the wound bandaged up, at least.

    They're not quite out of the woods yet in regards to the reforms and restructuring necessary to handle the long term issue that is the creeping fascism of Trumpism.
    I agree with this assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Yeah, leaving the EU has far more implications on a country, than leaving the WHO and the paris climate agreement. It's not a "Hey we got a new Prime minister, we're back boys!" kind of thing.

    They basicly went from travelling between California and Arizona, to traveling between California and Mexico, among other things, well explained in this article

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ishingly-steep
    That article is almost painful to read. My condolences.

    Excerpt:
    The post-Brexit world is so tough for many that the government’s own trade specialists are advising afflicted British entrepreneurs to relocate some of their operations out of the UK and to the EU. This has to be one of the greater absurdities of Brexit. British companies are being told by the British government that the way to survive is to lay off British workers and transfer their jobs to folk across the Channel.
    Ouch

  10. #27350
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    why are you not blaming the people that campaigned on the remain side to disprove the lies of NHS bus lie so easily?

    We head months of Tv shows, news broadcasts, interviews with celebrities, politicians etc, why did they not dismiss the lies or do a better job of it, Explain to me how they allowed the lies to fester then.
    Everyone is blaming Cameron for his lack of campaigning as much as the Brexit side. But here's the thing you're not grasping... the bus and all the other lies? They were debunked. All of them. By scientists, legal and trade experts, by people on this forum. Endlessly debunked, exposed for what they are and put straight. That you chose not to believe experts, that's on you. That you chose to ignore every piece of good advice and vote Brexit out of spite and emotion, that is on you. There is no one in the planet you can blame for YOU actively avoiding anyone trying to explain how this works.

    And another thing, the amount of TV commercials and funny slogans doesn't increase the amount of truth in a message. Apparently, you seem to think the side that spends more money on ads is automatically correct. Btw, I have a bridge to sell you. It's awesome, really. But aside from that, you still refuse to take any responsibility for your own actions. That is immature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    The US media acts like Brexit didn't even happen. I assume that is because it Brexit is not going well.

    Then I read up on what Dribbles and Sircaw are saying in support of Brexit and realize it's going VERY poorly.

    And the EU people here make it quite clear that EU is just moving on.

    It is sad to me that the UK is basically committing national suicide. Then again, the US seems to be racing the UK to the bottom.

    When I listen to other Americans discussing Brexit and/or EU, the few times they come up, it kind of is weird that this thread provides more and better information than anything that other Americans are getting.
    Well, the US media is busy dealing with the transition back to a proper form of Government. They'll revisit Brexit once something big happens. What's going on now is really the UK having jumped off the cliff waiting for gravity to kick in, Wiley Coyote style.

    I wouldn't quite call it national suicide. They'll survive. Somehow. But of course they're going to lose grounds in comparisons to other developed countries in the first world.
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  11. #27351
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    I have dyslexia and the spell checker, grammar option does not always get it right, if i remember to use it too, which can be annoying but thanks for your judgement.
    Does dyslexia cause you to get your politics backwards too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    They've got the wound bandaged up, at least.

    They're not quite out of the woods yet in regards to the reforms and restructuring necessary to handle the long term issue that is the creeping fascism of Trumpism.
    That restructuring would require something like 10 Constitutional Amendments.

    The last serious Amendment was passed in 1971.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    I agree with this assessment.

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    That article is almost painful to read. My condolences.

    Excerpt:

    Ouch
    I’m from Denmark, so I guess it’s ok that they’re moving jobs to EU countries.

  13. #27353
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    I must admit why did dribbles get banned for this post>?

    Are people really reporting him for this kind of postings? Seems really extreme to me.

    Feels really strange to report someone for this, when i was told to fuck off and not one of you told that user, oi that's not cool.
    That post was neither reported nor infracted, whatever got Dribbles banned seems to be separate from this thread.

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    During his time in this thread, did @sircaw actually give us a positive to Brexit, other than the fact that Nissan decided not to leave (barely a neutral, really a negative when you consider it cost us £80m,) or did he just complain that no-one else had any positive news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    That post was neither reported nor infracted, whatever got Dribbles banned seems to be separate from this thread.

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    During his time in this thread, did @sircaw actually give us a positive to Brexit, other than the fact that Nissan decided not to leave (barely a neutral, really a negative when you consider it cost us £80m,) or did he just complain that no-one else had any positive news?
    No and Yes.
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  15. #27355
    Ah here's some good news for the Brexiteers:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...to-uk-shoppers
    Mastercard is to increase the fees EU firms face to take payments from online shoppers from the UK by at least 400%, in a move that could mean higher prices for consumers.
    Oh wait... no, sorry. No, thiis isn't good news at all. Oh well, I'm sure those greedy bastards will do it to everyone, right?

    Since 2015, the EU has capped these fees across the European Economic Area (EEA), including within the UK.

    Mastercard’s current charges are in line with the cap. The new fees meet a cap for non-EEA cards used for online purchases within the area, which includes Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway as well as EU countries. The change announced by Mastercard will apply to online sales at shops and businesses based in the EEA that are made on UK-issued cards. Travellers will not face the higher rate on face-to-face sales.
    Huh... the damned EU, doing consumer protection again... Oh well, still waiting for the good news.
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  16. #27356
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    I asked a couple of times for good news, but it was just sidestepped to complain about the same exact things yet again /shrug
    Still better than dribbles that listed broccoli being stuck at customs as good news, since he doesn't eat his veggies.

  17. #27357
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Everyone is blaming Cameron for his lack of campaigning as much as the Brexit side. But here's the thing you're not grasping... the bus and all the other lies? They were debunked. All of them. By scientists, legal and trade experts, by people on this forum..
    The problem was that those people included David Cameron, the head of JP Morgan. and self-interested Germans. All those people have been caught repeatedly with their pants down lying through their teeth and acting against the interests of the working class. Subsequently most of the working class voted for Brexit.

    If opposition to Brexit hadn't been so closely tied to neo-liberal austerity economics it would have been easily defeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    You have the right to criticise the UK government, Brexit, the EU whatever you want.

    But you do not have the right to criticize people who exercise their democratic vote and blame them for things that do not go your way. We live in a democracy, If you want to live in a democracy i am afraid that is part of the deal. if you find the vote did not go your way, why are you not blaming the people that campaigned on the remain side to disprove the lies of NHS bus lie so easily?
    No that makes no fucking sense at all. The whole Brexit movement came out because those people were trying to overturn a democratic vote that ratified european membership. Of course you can campaign against a pre-existing democratic mandate, it happens all the time.

  18. #27358
    Quote Originally Posted by crapel View Post
    . Subsequently most of the working class voted for Brexit.
    nope. average brexit voter was white - retired - southern - homeowner - tory

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    Quote Originally Posted by crapel View Post
    The problem was that those people included David Cameron, the head of JP Morgan. and self-interested Germans. All those people have been caught repeatedly with their pants down lying through their teeth and acting against the interests of the working class. Subsequently most of the working class voted for Brexit.

    If opposition to Brexit hadn't been so closely tied to neo-liberal austerity economics it would have been easily defeated.
    David Cameron, the PM... and while I get that people in the UK have a fetish for Germans and anti-German drivel, I was referring exclusively to the UK based media landscape. Remain didn't need any outside help to debunk the bullshit. It was glaringly obvious. How did those "Germans" work against the working class, btw? Or is this just something you picked up on some blogshit page? Probably the same one you ripped the term "neo-liberal austerity economics" from, because honestly... that just tells me you did not pay attention to what's going on after 2008 and are just blindly repeating what others are saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crapel View Post
    The problem was that those people included David Cameron, the head of JP Morgan. and self-interested Germans. All those people have been caught repeatedly with their pants down lying through their teeth and acting against the interests of the working class. Subsequently most of the working class voted for Brexit.

    If opposition to Brexit hadn't been so closely tied to neo-liberal austerity economics it would have been easily defeated.
    Yeah, and that ignores all the actual "regular" people, from academics to business owners to doctors to scientists to everybody else who were doing exactly the same- debunking all the bullshit the brexiteers were saying. However, in their drive to find any justification to vote for brexit, the brexiteers just focused on the ones you say and were screaming "they are bad, I will vote Brexit".

    On the other hand, let's see some of the pro-working class, pro-human rights activists that are not closely tied to "neo-liberal austerity economics" and were advocating for Brexit: Boris, Rees Mogg, Priti, Nigel, Gove, Raab- it was like a bloody trade union from the North East of England, right mate?

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