If they made a new class in the future, what would it be?

[razorpax]

No, I'm against it because it's essentially a covenant system in the old TTRPG and it would work as a class. Just being honest.



Nah. In Exile's Reach every speaking character represents a playable class. However, there is a Gnome and Goblin character who both use technology, what class do they represent?



All of those are currently absorbed by existing classes. Why retread when we can move forward?

What class can summon flying books?

Night warrior lore is current lore

It’s not retreading anything because the discussions got buried by your screeching

If dragon sworn are a covenant system then why are death knights a class??

[Teriz]

Tell me: of all the death knights that existed in WoW back in vanilla, how many could raise the dead? Of ALL the demon hunters that existed in the game until Legion, how many could transform into a demon? The answer for both is: "most did not".

Doesn't matter. The DK hero could raise the dead, and the DH hero could turn into a demon.

There is no Necrolyte hero.

One: WC3:Reforged canonicity is still in question.

Only by you.

Two: you made the statement of "we don't see it in WoW, so it's debatable if it exists." We don't see the claw pack in WoW, therefore its canonicity is debatable.

That's because we hadn't seen any Necrolytes since WC2, and again there's no Necrolyte hero in WC3. Again, you're comparing a hero to some random WC2 unit that was largely replaced by Necromancers in WC3.

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What class can summon flying books?

Mages if such an ability was necessary.

Night warrior lore is current lore

And is nothing more than a suped-up Hunter.

It’s not retreading anything because the discussions got buried by your screeching

If dragon sworn are a covenant system then why are death knights a class??

Because of this;

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Arthas_Menethil

and this:
http://classic.battle.net/war3/undea...thknight.shtml

[jellmoo]

There's nothing complicated about Murlocs being playable, but it's not likely to happen because no one is asking for it.

Nwt just you wait one second there buster...

[Unbelievable]

She's a major character in the current expansion, that doesn't mean she'll be a major character in future expansions. In addition there's a good chance she isn't even a Dark Ranger anymore.

As for the lack of Necromancy and Mind manipulation in the Hunter class, that would be because we have other classes doing that.



Wrathion says hello. Alexstraza, Chromie, and Deathwing from HotS say hello as well.

Where's the Bard hero?



That wasn't the Dragonsworn though. The Dragonsworn in the TTRPG were existing classes who swore allegiance to dragons and the dragons gave them an ability or relic for their service. For example, if you're a Druid and you swore to Blue Dragonflight, they would grant you a Fire spell that you could master. If you were a Priest, a Bronze dragon would teach you Time magic. That's all it is; a dragon-based Covenant system.



Dark Wardens are undead Nightelves, and from what I've seen they're all females.



Only one of those is a playable race.




Shadow Hunters: Healing Wave: Shaman, Serpent Ward: Shaman, Hex: Shaman, BBV: Not assigned, but going Shaman when it does.
Priestess of the Moon: Searing Arrow: Hunter, Trueshot: Hunter, Sentinel: Hunter, Starfall: Druid
Sea Witch: Frost Arrow: Hunter, Forked Lightning: Shaman, Mana Shield: Mage, Tornado: Unassigned, but probably Druid or Shaman
Alchemist: Probably getting folded into the Tinker class.

That should be everything.

She was a major character for 3 expansions straight:
Legion - assigned as warchief (featured in the cinematic trailer)
Battle for Azeroth - led the faction war (featured in the cinematic trailer)
Shadowlands - a baddy of the expansion (featured in the cinematic trailer).
I would say she is hell of a lot more prominent than your Gazlowe ever was, or ever will be.

She is still a Dark Ranger. That's like saying Tyrande is no longer a Priestess of the Moon, because of the Night Warrior empowerment (she still uses PotM abilities).

So, that would mean that the Dark Ranger is not in the Hunter class, like you seem to portray.

Wrathion, Alextrasza, Chromie and Deathwing are not Dragonsworn.
Going by that logic, the Bard heroes are E.T.C and Lucio.

Still more established than your Dragon class fanfic.

And Dark Rangers were all High-elves. did it stop them from teaching the Forsaken Undead?
Before World of Warcraft, Druids were only male and Priests would be only female in Night elven society. Now, they are both.

Still not Orc-centric.
And i'm betting my money on playable Ankoan in the future (their blademaster culture is indicative of a future blademaster class and they are the perfect race for it).

Demon Hunter: Mana Burn: Priest, Immolate: Warlock, Evasion: Rogue, Metamorphosis: Warlock.
Death Knight: Death Coil: Warlock
Tinker: Mechanical Expertise: Engineer, Inventions: Engineer, Failure and Explosions: Engineer, Clockwork robots: Engineer, Rockets: Engineer, Engineering Upgrade: Engineer, Mechanical suit: Engineer.
Alchemist: Healing Mist: Monk, Chemical Rage: Shaman, Acid Flask: Rogue/Vulpera, Transmute: Alchemy.
Your Dragon class concept: Ysera's Gift: Druid, Cauterize: Mage, Time Warp/Alter Time: Mage, Arcane magic: Mage, Scale of the Earthwarder: Warrior, Vial of the Sands: Alchemy.

Most necrolytes in WoW don't raise the undead either.

Death's Head Necrolytes are located in Razorfen Downs. They will occasionally try to summon any of the following Splinterbone skeletons:

Splinterbone Frostweaver
Splinterbone Shadowcaster
Splinterbone Warrior

Eh, we could use a technology class to represent WoW technology, and the technology-based races in WoW.

Pick up Engineering.

Nah. In Exile's Reach every speaking character represents a playable class. However, there is a Gnome and Goblin character who both use technology, what class do they represent?



All of those are currently absorbed by existing classes. Why retread when we can move forward?

Engineering. They represent the Engineering profession:

Re-Sizing
15 yd range
Channeled (0 sec cast)
Enlarges a creature. Not guaranteed to work. Will not blow up user.

Re-Sizing
Being enlarged.

Or shrunk.

Something is happening.

World Enlarger
Item Level 1
Toy
Use: Enlarges the entire world for 5 min or until you attack. (15 Min Cooldown)
Requires Engineering (1)
Requires Gnomish Engineer
"Only Gnomish Technology could invent a device that affects the entire world!"
Sell Price: 75

Profession: Engineering

World Shrinker
Item Level 1
Toy
Use: Shrinks the entire world for 5 min or until you attack. (15 Min Cooldown)
Requires Draenor Engineering (1)
"Overuse may result in permanent shrinkage."
Sell Price: 75

Profession: Engineering

Gnomish Shrink Ray
Item Level 22
Binds when equipped
Trinket
Use: Shrinks the target reducing their attack power by 54. That's what it usually does anyway..... (5 Min Cooldown)
Requires Engineering (205)
Sell Price: 7 50

"The Tinker is currently absorbed by an existing profession. Why retread when we can move forward?"

"The Demon Hunter and Death Knights were absorbed by existing classes. Why retread when we can move forward?"

Yeah, let that logic sink in....

And is nothing more than a suped-up Hunter.

And the Tinker is nothing more than a suped-up Engineer.

[razorpax]

Doesn't matter. The DK hero could raise the dead, and the DH hero could turn into a demon.

There is no Necrolyte hero.



Only by you.



That's because we hadn't seen any Necrolytes since WC2, and again there's no Necrolyte hero in WC3. Again, you're comparing a hero to some random WC2 unit that was largely replaced by Necromancers in WC3.

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Mages if such an ability was necessary.



And is nothing more than a suped-up Hunter.



Because of this;

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Arthas_Menethil

and this:
http://classic.battle.net/war3/undea...thknight.shtml

Death knights are empowered by the lich king

According to your logic that is the same as the covenant system but blizzard made it a class

So blizzard can make the dragonsworn a class even if you don’t like it

Death knights are also just suped up warriors

[Teriz]

She was a major character for 3 expansions straight:
Legion - assigned as warchief (featured in the cinematic trailer)
Battle for Azeroth - led the faction war (featured in the cinematic trailer)
Shadowlands - a baddy of the expansion (featured in the cinematic trailer).
I would say she is hell of a lot more prominent than your Gazlowe ever was, or ever will be.

Three expansions where Sylvanas is the main character and no Dark Ranger class introduced.

That should tell you something.

Going by that logic, the Bard heroes are E.T.C and Lucio.

Care to name a time where the ETC accompanied us on an adventure or quest? Care to show any examples of a tribe of head banging Tauren rockers? It's a spoof of the Tauren Chieftain hero.

Lucio isn't even a Warcraft character. How is that following the same logic as Wrathion being a potential class hero?

Pick up Engineering.



Engineering. They represent the Engineering profession

Why would they give a profession speaking character roles and not any other profession?

"The Tinker is currently absorbed by an existing profession. Why retread when we can move forward?"

"The Demon Hunter and Death Knights were absorbed by existing classes. Why retread when we can move forward?"

Yeah, let that logic sink in....

If there were any logic shown in your statement....

And the Tinker is nothing more than a suped-up Engineer.

That would be correct.

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Death knights are empowered by the lich king

According to your logic that is the same as the covenant system but blizzard made it a class

So blizzard can make the dragonsworn a class even if you don’t like it

Death knights are also just suped up warriors

Yeah no. When the Lich King corrupted Arthas, Arthas got an entire new set of powers and abilities, and ceased being a Paladin.

According to the Dragonsworn concept, you never stop being your base class. The Dragon just gives you access to a few new abilities, just like the Covenant system. It's like a Paladins and Mages gaining access to shadow magic, which is currently the case in Shadowlands.

[Phaelia]

I’m going to laugh and laugh when they make Bard the next class with all the Easter eggs they’ve dropped in this expansion with all the musical items you can find. I hope it comes true

[razorpax]

Three expansions where Sylvanas is the main character and no Dark Ranger class introduced.

That should tell you something.



Care to name a time where the ETC accompanied us on an adventure or quest? Care to show any examples of a tribe of head banging Tauren rockers? It's a spoof of the Tauren Chieftain hero.

Lucio isn't even a Warcraft character. How is that following the same logic as Wrathion being a potential class hero?




Why would they give a profession speaking character roles and not any other profession?




If there were any logic shown in your statement....




That would be correct.

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Yeah no. When the Lich King corrupted Arthas, Arthas got an entire new set of powers and abilities, and ceased being a Paladin.

According to the Dragonsworn concept, you never stop being your base class. The Dragon just gives you access to a few new abilities, just like the Covenant system. It's like a Paladins and Mages gaining access to shadow magic, which is currently the case in Shadowlands.

It’s almost like concepts can evolve
Like the monk

Also the DK players are empowered by the lich king

The class is possible just accept the possibility or if you don’t wanna accept it you can stop taking part in the conversation around it

Wrathion will empower his guards and you shall see a class with draconic power that is a class and not a race

[Unbelievable]

Three expansions where Sylvanas is the main character and no Dark Ranger class introduced.

That should tell you something.



Care to name a time where the ETC accompanied us on an adventure or quest? Care to show any examples of a tribe of head banging Tauren rockers? It's a spoof of the Tauren Chieftain hero.

Lucio isn't even a Warcraft character. How is that following the same logic as Wrathion being a potential class hero?




Why would they give a profession speaking character roles and not any other profession?




If there were any logic shown in your statement....




That would be correct.

That should tell me that they are hyping her up. There is no point in causing Sylvanas-fatigue, if in the end we're not getting to play as her.

Because Wrathion isn't a Dragonsworn. All you take is Dragon heroes from HotS. Then, by that logic, Music heroes from HotS are the Bard heroes.

Because Gnomes and Goblins are, heavily, associated with Engineering.

There isn't any logic in that statement, because it is a replica of your statement which, lacks any common sense, as usual.

So, if the Tinker is a suped-up Engineer, then it has no place as a future class, according to your logic, just like the Night Warrior. It's nice to see that your own sentences sabotage your arguments.

[Teriz]

It’s almost like concepts can evolve
Like the monk

The Monk took a lot from the Brewmaster hero of WC3.

Also the Dragonsworn we encounter in WoW are also pretty much existing classes. Mainly Mages and Druids.

Also the DK players are empowered by the lich king

They were raised from the dead by the lich king and imbued with his powers. This isn't the same thing as what Dragonsworn do.

The class is possible just accept the possibility or if you don’t wanna accept it you can stop taking part in the conversation around it

Wrathion will empower his guards and you shall see a class with draconic power that is a class and not a race

If you say so. That said, I'll stop talking about Dragonsworn and let you guys discuss it.

[Unbelievable]

They were raised from the dead by the lich king and imbued with his powers. This isn't the same thing as what Dragonsworn do.

It's, exactly, like a Dragonsworn.
And Demon Hunter disciples of Illidan, as well.

[Teriz]

That should tell me that they are hyping her up. There is no point in causing Sylvanas-fatigue, if in the end we're not getting to play as her.

So you're expecting a third expansion where Sylvanas plays a central role?

Yeah, I don't see that happening.

Because Wrathion isn't a Dragonsworn. All you take is Dragon heroes from HotS. Then, by that logic, Music heroes from HotS are the Bard heroes.

Uh, the dragon heroes in HotS are lore characters in Warcraft....

Because Gnomes and Goblins are, heavily, associated with Engineering.

But again, every other character with a speaking role in that scenario represented a class. What class did those two represent?

There isn't any logic in that statement, because it is a replica of your statement which, lacks any common sense, as usual.

So you're saying something Sea Witch whose Frost Arrow ability is absorbed by the Hunter class, Forked lightning is absorbed by the Shaman class, and Mana shield is absorbed by the Mage class is not a common sense statement?

And your retort is that Tinker is absorbed by engineering when none of the Tinker's abilities exist in engineering? That's common sense to you?

So, if the Tinker is a suped-up Engineer, then it has no place as a future class, according to your logic, just like the Night Warrior. It's nice to see that your own sentences sabotage your arguments.

Not really since there is no Engineer class. Thus Tinkers being a "super engineer" makes sense.

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It's, exactly, like a Dragonsworn.
And Demon Hunter disciples of Illidan, as well.

Demon Hunters, yes.

Dragonsworn, no.

You train with Illidan as a Rogue, you're going to be turned into a Demon Hunter.

You swear loyalty to Ysera as a Druid, you're still a Druid. Ysera might give you a legendary trinket for your service.

[Unbelievable]

So you're expecting a third expansion where Sylvanas plays a central role?

Yeah, I don't see that happening.



Uh, the dragon heroes in HotS are lore characters in Warcraft....



But again, every other character with a speaking role in that scenario represented a class. What class did those two represent?



So you're saying something Sea Witch whose Frost Arrow ability is absorbed by the Hunter class, Forked lightning is absorbed by the Shaman class, and Mana shield is absorbed by the Mage class is not a common sense statement?

And your retort is that Tinker is absorbed by engineering when none of the Tinker's abilities exist in engineering? That's common sense to you?



Not really since there is no Engineer class. Thus Tinkers being a "super engineer" makes sense.

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Demon Hunters, yes.

Dragonsworn, no.

You train with Illidan as a Rogue, you're going to be turned into a Demon Hunter.

You swear loyalty to Ysera as a Druid, you're still a Druid. Ysera might give you a legendary trinket for your service.

Nope. Because the Dark Ranger would not be a class. It would be a spec. and as a spec, she or her Dark Rangers would fill the role of nothing more than training the next generation or being a group that opposes the baddy of the expansion.

They are still not Dragonsworn.

The Engineering profession. That's what they represent. I just showed you an ability they use, which is present in the Engineering profession and is lacking from your Tinker.

*Sigh* *facepalm*
You, clearly, can't grasp cynicism and how i'm, basically, mocking your statements.

There doesn't need to be an Engineer class. If the themes overlap, then it is a big no-no in your book.

"Such devotees dedicate their lives to the protection and service of their dragonflights and reap the benefits of the great knowledge and power that their draconic masters share".

"A patron dragon, who will train the dragonsworn throughout her career, must select the dragonsworn. This patron is responsible for ensuring the dragonsworn remains loyal and uses her abilities and teachings properly".

"a dragonsworn of Nefarian might be taught the basics of how to manipulate the deadly power of shadow flame."

I'm gonna put my money on them abandoning their previous path in favor of draconic powers. Much like how Death Knights and Demon Hunters do not retain their previous classes.

[Teriz]

Nope. Because the Dark Ranger would not be a class. It would be a spec. and as a spec, she or her Dark Rangers would fill the role of nothing more than training the next generation or being a group that opposes the baddy of the expansion.

Ah, a class in your refried Hunter concept. Gotcha.

They are still not Dragonsworn.

True.

The Engineering profession. That's what they represent. I just showed you an ability they use, which is present in the Engineering profession and is lacking from your Tinker.

Again, why would Blizzard only have the engineering profession represented in Exile's Reach? So every class is represented, and then we have the engineering profession all by itself.... Yeah, that makes sense.

*Sigh* *facepalm*
You, clearly, can't grasp cynicism and how i'm, basically, mocking your statements.

Oh don't worry, I know you're trolling.

There doesn't need to be an Engineer class. If the themes overlap, then it is a big no-no in your book.

If the profession's weapons on unviable (it will), and will never reach the level to be able to perform class roles (it won't), then there's a huge opening for a technology based class.

"Such devotees dedicate their lives to the protection and service of their dragonflights and reap the benefits of the great knowledge and power that their draconic masters share".

"A patron dragon, who will train the dragonsworn throughout her career, must select the dragonsworn. This patron is responsible for ensuring the dragonsworn remains loyal and uses her abilities and teachings properly".

"a dragonsworn of Nefarian might be taught the basics of how to manipulate the deadly power of shadow flame."

I'm gonna put my money on them abandoning their previous path in favor of draconic powers. Much like how Death Knights and Demon Hunters do not retain their previous classes.

Feel free to read the Dark Factions manual. The PDF is free online. It explains quite clearly that your class remains the same. You just get access to knew knowledge thanks to your dragon patron. As you mentioned, "Nefarian teaching you Shadowflame". That's pretty much it.

[Unbelievable]

Ah, a class in your refried Hunter concept. Gotcha.



True.



Again, why would Blizzard only have the engineering profession represented in Exile's Reach? So every class is represented, and then we have the engineering profession all by itself.... Yeah, that makes sense.



Oh don't worry, I know you're trolling.



If the profession's weapons on unviable (it will), and will never reach the level to be able to perform class roles (it won't), then there's a huge opening for a technology based class.



Feel free to read the Dark Factions manual. The PDF is free online. It explains quite clearly that your class remains the same. You just get access to knew knowledge thanks to your dragon patron. As you mentioned, "Nefarian teaching you Shadowflame". That's pretty much it.

"Ah, a class in your refried Engineer concept. Gotcha."

As i said, the Gnomes and Goblins are, heavily, associated with engineering. So yes, it makes sense. Hence, the engineering ability they use that is lacking from the Tinker.

Glad you know it. Now, it is time for you to, also, comprehend it.

Yet, it would still overlap with the profession. And that is unacceptable in the Teriz rulebook.

Again, i'm gonna use my sarcasm, which you apparently understand:

"Illidan teaching you a Demon Hunter ability". That's pretty much it.

[Teriz]

"Ah, a class in your refried Engineer concept. Gotcha."

Tinker concept. Please get it right.

As i said, the Gnomes and Goblins are, heavily, associated with engineering.

They're also heavily associated with Tinkers, which would be an engineering class.

Yet, it would still overlap with the profession. And that is unacceptable in the Teriz rulebook.

It is impossible for a class to overlap with a profession.

[Unbelievable]

Tinker concept. Please get it right.



They're also heavily associated with Tinkers, which would be an engineering class.



It is impossible for a class to overlap with a profession.

Ranger concept. Get it right.

The Tinker is not in the game. The Engineering profession is. The profession uses an enlarger/shrinker devices. Your Tinker doesn't.

It is possible for a profession to overlap with a class. As can be seen with the Engineering and Alchemy professions, which mirror the Tinker and Alchemist heroes, and were the only combat-oriented professions in game.

[Triceron]

Nothing says their gameplay has to be unique and different from other classes.

I'll probably need more of an elaboration on this, less I take this as too broad of a statement and start assuming things that you didn't intend to mean.

Every class in the game has unique gameplay from each other, so that's already a given. Even roles that are similar can be differentiated. I have no doubt that even a Bard would have unique gameplay associated to it if made into a Class.

However, new classes introduced into WoW have to serve a unique purpose of not only fitting into the WoW MMORPG gameplay, but also to bring in new mechanics that will hype people up into buying the next expansion. New classes have one primary purpose, and that's selling more copies of the game. We all think it's to diversify gameplay and whatnot, but as Blizzard has shown they are capable of doing that without a new class. Covenants, Artifacts, Azerite Powers; these are all methods they've used to diversify gameplay time and time again, and unlike a new class it is not counter-intuitive to players who choose to stick to their mains rather than try out a new class that they may not have any interest in taking up.

The issues I have with the Bard in concept is that it's not a seamless fit into the current WoW class lineup. It's an archetype associated with Support. If we detach that association and generalize it down to DPS and Healer specs gameplay like everything else, then why choose a Bard as a Class Fantasy instead of say a Dark Ranger or a Necromancer which could also be DPS/Heal built and still provide a higher connection to WoW, as well as satisfy a larger player base that is demanding it. That's just how I see it, and why I am equating it to being a 'Musical Priest'; because at the end of the day the Class Fantasy is about using Music and the support style gameplay that fits WoW is already covered by Priests. I can see this opening more if Blizzard decides to carve a niche into the gameplay to allow more direct Support like how Discipline or Shadow plays, but I just don't see that building hype on the levels of a Tinker or Dragonsworn or Necromancer would.

It's going to be difficult to apply a Bard Class to WoW when all we have to go on is literally the April Fools and ETC. Even the Kodo Wardrummers of WC3 are so in-the-background that it's not associated with Bards whenever the discussion comes up.

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You swear loyalty to Ysera as a Druid, you're still a Druid. Ysera might give you a legendary trinket for your service.

That's if you were a Druid to begin with. What did Monks start out as before they got trained by Monk Trainers? Were they another class or were they a generic adventurer?

So what happens when an adventurer swears loyalty to Ysera and is trained under the Dragons? They become a Dragonsworn class.

Honestly, no different than the origin changes to DK's. To open up to all those other races, they changed the DK classification to no longer be exclusively tied to being Paladins corrupted by the Lich King/Arthas. They could be classified as raised Champions of the Scourge.

[Teriz]

Ranger concept. Get it right.

You mean the Hunter class, since they are Rangers.

The Tinker is not in the game. The Engineering profession is. The profession uses an enlarger/shrinker devices. Your Tinker doesn't.

Why couldn't a Tinker class have a gun that shrinks or enlarges? Hunters and Rogues have bombs like Engineering does, so why couldn't a tech class have a gun that shrinks and enlarges?

It is possible for a profession to overlap with a class. As can be seen with the Engineering and Alchemy professions, which mirror the Tinker and Alchemist heroes, and were the only combat-oriented professions in game.

No its not, because a profession doesn't compete with a class and vice versa. A class' job is perform class roles like completing world quests, boss hunting, raiding, PvP, and collecting gear. A professions job is to be a time sink where you craft stuff to sell to other players or to give you inferior versions of class utility abilities. You can't lose your raid spot to a profession. You can't PvP using only profession skills. You can't complete WQs with just profession items.

Two classes though? Yeah, they definitely compete with each other.

[Kumorii]

It still gonna be Dark Rangers.