Bring back warforging!

[Wries]

I'd love to see Legion levels of titanforging again. Not BFA, as the chance for a nice proc was so small it felt tantalizing that a titanforge theoretically *could* happen but really wouldn't..

Loot is pretty boring now and is all coming in a steady trickle from the Great Vault. No "looting the boss for a great reward". And PVP gearing becomes more attractive with every week due to the generous Conquest catchup.

I don't get why blizzard doesn't hotfix a solution for PvE as they have even acknowledged that there *is* a problem. Remember in 8.3 where they just panic-hotfixed a vendor into the corruption system? I want that kind of panic button response from blizzard now. Change something, anything, ASAP.

[StillMcfuu]

No thank you, game is better without it.

[Lollis]

No. Fuck no.

Warforging fucking sucked, it made drops feel shit when they didn't upgrade and you should never feel bad about getting an item.

The problem with the current loot situation is that droprates for PvE content are just too low.
They need to either buff droprates slightly, or my preferred solution which would be to reimplement valor/heroism/justice badges.

[Easo]

Its a mixture of 1800 pvp gear, Mythic raid gear, and M+.

Just play the game. You will get gear, I promise. Sometimes, I don't even have upgrades in my vault, as i dont get all 3 options from M+.

I am playing it. I am getting gear, slowlyyyyy. Just that 35 anima boss kills are getting old, same as not getting anything in the whole raid. At least the vault has been better to me than to some other people (3 capes, anyone?).
Also, I won't ever do pvp for gear. Enough people don't do pvp at all in the first place. It has been very evident by every single attempt by Blizzard failing to do so. You cannot expect people to start doing it now.

[Recovery]

I am playing it. I am getting gear, slowlyyyyy. Just that 35 anima boss kills are getting old, same as not getting anything in the whole raid. At least the vault has been better to me than to some other people (3 capes, anyone?).
Also, I won't ever do pvp for gear. Enough people don't do pvp at all in the first place. It has been very evident by every single attempt by Blizzard failing to do so. You cannot expect people to start doing it now.

Stop it. You're trolling.

Firstly, id venture to say that PVP is at an all time high as far as participation.
Secondly, why would you NOT participate in an aspect of the game that obviously rewards you for participating it, just because "not enough people participate"?

Like.... wat?

Self destructing and then crying about it.

[Argorwal]

Bring back warforging, but with the valor point upgrade system too. So all items can be upgraded 2 times by 5 ilvl.

You can be Lucky and get 1 or 2 of those upgrades for free, though warforging, but still upgrade with valor points if you are unlucky and got a bis item without warforging.

This just shifts the baseline for every single slot where 0/2 upgraded is crap and you need to farm valor for every single slot just to make it to the expected 2/2 upgrade.

It’s forcing a currency grind for no reason.

Hard pass.

[Easo]

Stop it. You're trolling.

Firstly, id venture to say that PVP is at an all time high as far as participation.
Secondly, why would you NOT participate in an aspect of the game that obviously rewards you for participating it, just because "not enough people participate"?

Like.... wat?

Self destructing and then crying about it.

Because most people in WoW don't like/play pvp at all? Have you not noticed that WoW is PvE game with PvP elements, not the other way around? Ever read these or official forums? Anything?

[ReVnX]

A thousand times no.

[Recovery]

Because most people in WoW don't like/play pvp at all? Have you not noticed that WoW is PvE game with PvP elements, not the other way around? Ever read these or official forums? Anything?

Believe me bud, the people who DO pvp would rather be separated from the rest. It would take nothing for Blizzard to make a separate server (they already have one with the tournament realm) and use that for pvp.

This may come as a shocker, but there are ALOT of people who ONLY play wow for competitive pvp.

Regardless, cry all you want, but pvp is a part of the game. If you want to optimize your character to your fullest extent, then you need to participate in it.

Or.... keep crying. Up to you, man.

Im not really believing that you arent 220+ ilvl if you actually play group content every week. Are you one of those who only do world quests, M0, and normal raid? If you are, why do you think youre entitled to the best gear in the game if you dont complete the content required to acquire it?

Oh, and also, this might be a shocker as well, but not everyone only plays the game to get loot. lol. Not everyone needs to way overgear something to down it.

The "drought" of gear slows the game down. Its good. Increases player retention. If you go longer without loot, its a bigger Dopamine rush when you DO get it.

Think about it... You dont win EVERY single time you go to a casino and play slots do you? There's a reason for that.

As a matter of fact, those complaining about these "Gear droughts" kind of seem like addicts desperately craving their next fix, to me. Never quitting the addiction.. Just complaining that they cant access it. LOL

[Swnem]

No... just NO.

[NineSpine]

Believe me bud, the people who DO pvp would rather be separated from the rest. It would take nothing for Blizzard to make a separate server (they already have one with the tournament realm) and use that for pvp.

This may come as a shocker, but there are ALOT of people who ONLY play wow for competitive pvp.

Regardless, cry all you want, but pvp is a part of the game. If you want to optimize your character to your fullest extent, then you need to participate in it.

Or.... keep crying. Up to you, man.

Im not really believing that you arent 220+ ilvl if you actually play group content every week. Are you one of those who only do world quests, M0, and normal raid? If you are, why do you think youre entitled to the best gear in the game if you dont complete the content required to acquire it?

Oh, and also, this might be a shocker as well, but not everyone only plays the game to get loot. lol. Not everyone needs to way overgear something to down it.

The "drought" of gear slows the game down. Its good. Increases player retention. If you go longer without loot, its a bigger Dopamine rush when you DO get it.

Think about it... You dont win EVERY single time you go to a casino and play slots do you? There's a reason for that.

As a matter of fact, those complaining about these "Gear droughts" kind of seem like addicts desperately craving their next fix, to me. Never quitting the addiction.. Just complaining that they cant access it. LOL

The only group content that gets you 220+ gear is M+14 and mythic raids.

[Easo]

Believe me bud, the pe.............

I never said I want the best gear, I want gear to actually drop (I raid HC and do some M+). It slows the game down because it gives Blizzard player time spent in the game. Just like 127 different anima pieces to fill up your bag to force you to go to covenant base, the unmountable areas in the Oribos or not giving Legion raids proper legacy damage buff and so on. It is all for the monthly play time. It has been discussed repeatedly.
I could not care less for WF/TF being removed, I want to see gear, actually.
Oh, yeah, and this is RPG - gear upgrades are very important part of the whole idea. It is how it works, people like getting new stuff. It is not uncommon knowledge.

[Army Dreamer]

Just go away.

[Tsamane]

Indeed. The only way to bring back Warforging would be as part of an Upgrade System, meaning items could drop with one or two levels of upgrade already applied.

With that, i think there should be a way to add leech, avoidance, speed, or indestructible to gear.

[Paulosio]

WF/TF was harder to balance by, it meant people would pass on items in hope of getting a WF/TF version and it just added more RNG. I like the lesser loot we get these days. I’m good without it.

There's no such thing as passing on items in a world where master loot no longer exists (at least when it comes to bind on pickup items) and you can't trade items that are higher ilvl than what you currently have anyway.

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Yeah, this was bound to happen. Nobody will ever be content with whatever blizz does.
Personally, I'm good without it. I like the loot system right now more than ever before.

Some people will be content. No decision will ever please everyone at the same time though. The people who don't like warforging are content it's gone.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Glad to see others realizing this.
Some systems just do not work without gear upgrading of some form.
I don't demand that it has to be random, but something needs to return.
It just makes too much loot completely useless in this game, and really exposes the flaws of the dozens of tiers of difficulty this game has now.

[DeuZWw]

No.
Actually, bring back REFORGING.
Being able to change a little bit of gear stats was awesome, a non-BIS could be a little better or close to a BIS and we could balance between breakpoints of some stats much easier. Reforging was a great feature in cataclysm and i won't ever understand the reasons behind removing it.

[NineSpine]

No.
Actually, bring back REFORGING.
Being able to change a little bit of gear stats was awesome, a non-BIS could be a little better or close to a BIS and we could balance between breakpoints of some stats much easier. Reforging was a great feature in cataclysm and i won't ever understand the reasons behind removing it.

Because it turned into a chore that addons did for you.

[OokOok]

Blizzard will always fix issues based on the majority. The majority of WoW are casuals, that's a fact. Wf/TF isn't casual friendly, also a fact as WF/TF mostly benefits players who are able to grind M+ all day and are able to clear LFR/Norm/Heroic/Mythic every week for a higher chance at that drop.
With that said, the whiners are always going to be the majority on the forums because everyone who likes something has no reason to go to the forums. For every one person ssaying "WF/TF is good" were 100 people complaining drowning it out.
It's not coming back, nor should it. Reforging/Ilvl increase was the right move in MOP, MOP was actually a solid expansion if ppl don't cry about pandas

[NineSpine]

Blizzard will always fix issues based on the majority. The majority of WoW are casuals, that's a fact. Wf/TF isn't casual friendly, also a fact as WF/TF mostly benefits players who are able to grind M+ all day and are able to clear LFR/Norm/Heroic/Mythic every week for a higher chance at that drop.
With that said, the whiners are always going to be the majority on the forums because everyone who likes something has no reason to go to the forums. For every one person ssaying "WF/TF is good" were 100 people complaining drowning it out.
It's not coming back

If they are always catering to casuals, why is the game as casual unfriendly as it has ever been except maybe Cata?