Investing in the stock market

[Theodarzna]

nasdaq and Massachusetts being a bunch of babies like normal lol

wahh we are losing, wahhhh

If you are rich, the already made up and arbitrary rules will be put on pause, rewritten just to make sure you cannot lose this stupid and utterly fictitious game. The real lesson here is WSB proved this game is complete make believe and voodoo. Risk? Not for them. Not only will the fed print money to save them at the drop of a hat, they will straight up turn the game off for everyone but make sure these big boys can keep playing while everyone else is on pause.

Fuck these people.

[downnola]

Also the bail outs btw, were paid back in full with interest. It ended up being a great investment for taxpayers that is still paying dividends today. Oh about 90-120 billion dollars a year.

Cool story bro, I still know a few people who lost their jobs and had their retirements wiped out over it including myself but apparently, that's all Gucci because it looks good on the budget books.

[jonnysensible]

sir the serfs are learning to read

[Zan15]

nasdaq and Massachusetts being a bunch of babies like normal lol

wahh we are losing, wahhhh

I said this before but its worth repeating.

Imagine 200 of the largest hedge funds got together on a new reddit forum called "hedge funds rulez"
They decided lock step 95% of them to short, buy, sell just a handful of stocks at massive volumes and money.

They could basically destroy the individual investor. Close them out of a lot of stocks then all of a sudden dump them all at once costing a lot of people a lot of money, except for those 200 hedge funds.

But its illegal for them to collude like that to "manipulate" the stock market. Well at least it was till last week.


What do you think would happen to those funds?
How quickly would the SEC charge them and shut them down?

How about 10-20 Multi-billionaires get together and do the same thing?




Could you imagine the impact to the market?

If these reddit folks want to play by the same rules they better be ready.


its also funny to see Elon Musk cheering them on after he spent years crying about how shorts need to be regulated.

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Cool story bro, I still know a few people who lost their jobs and had their retirements wiped out over it including myself but apparently, that's all Gucci because it looks good on the budget books.

Never said it did Buddy.
I was one of those that lost their 25 year job in 2009.


I was correcting the individual whom said it cost taxpayers trillions.

[Theodarzna]

Never said it did Buddy.
I was one of those that lost their 25 year job in 2009.


I was correcting the individual whom said it cost taxpayers trillions.

How on Earth should one feel bad for a class of people for which losing is completely impossible and they will either have the rules rewritten for them, or receive Fed money to get them through?

[Zan15]

If you are rich, the already made up and arbitrary rules will be put on pause, rewritten just to make sure you cannot lose this stupid and utterly fictitious game. The real lesson here is WSB proved this game is complete make believe and voodoo. Risk? Not for them. Not only will the fed print money to save them at the drop of a hat, they will straight up turn the game off for everyone but make sure these big boys can keep playing while everyone else is on pause.

Fuck these people.

actually you have it the opposite.
The big guys are regulated and are unable to do what WSB is doing without being fined and possibly banned from trading.

The rules have been around for a very long time and are not even close to made up or arbitrary.


They did the same thing in the 80-90's with penny stocks. They suspended many penny stock trading while they investigated the run ups. This is nothing new when there is extreme trading abnormalities.

They even suspend trading when a big or unplanned announcement is coming out and for a period after the announcement so the individual trades can keep up with the institutional investors. So i guess we should get rid of this too since we don't want to "favor" anyone.

[GreenJesus]

Lol just wait for them to now ban retail investors from trading without calling a broker to execute the trade first (with a 5% fee of course). Just like the good old days.

[Zan15]

You don't have to run defense for Hedge funders and billionaire hustlers, the government will always bail them out as they always do.



Being rich is great, you literally can never lose and even if you do, rules are rewritten.

Cannot wait for the ban on Outsider Trading.

Oh well you seem very hell bent on huge fed conspiracies and things that never happened. Hard to have a realistic discussion with you at this point.

you seem to ignore the impact on everyone else to actions by the feds. Guess those auto bailouts didn't save any jobs either as just one example.

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Lol just wait for them to now ban retail investors from trading without calling a broker to execute the trade first (with a 5% fee of course). Just like the good old days.

umm, how do you trade without a 'broker'? You know things like robinhood are still 'brokers' who do not charge fees.
Last time i checked you still needed a license to actually trade directly.

[Machismo]

In the end, I love the idea of investors deliberately going after margin speculators. People don't seem to realize that the stock markets are basically houses of cards, with little reasoning for a great many stock prices. It's more about feelings, than anything else. Tesla is a perfect example of that.

Of course, this will lead to even more market volatility, which is going to create worry with consumer confidence. It won't really impact long-term investors, but the short-term markets are going to be interesting to watch.

[Zan15]

Scott Wapner's face on CNBC lol. Fuck these people. Shorting gets punished for once and they start crying.

for once? Ever google short squeeze?

Go look at Tilray as the most recent example that is in the same ballpark as GME
Tesla 2-4 billion dollar short disaster
Soros billion dollar short loss on trump election
Ackman admitted to losing more than $3 billion of his almost $4 billion initial investment in Valeant short in 2017
Volkswagen briefly became the world's biggest company in 2008 because of a massive short squeeze. Way bigger than GME.
DryShips in 2016 jumped 2000% costing hedge funds billions.


Hell its not even stocks. OIL suffers from short squeezes all the time. As well as other commodities


Shorting should be illegal, but its very risky and a lot of individuals and hedge funds lose a lot of money on these insane bets.

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In the end, I love the idea of investors deliberately going after margin speculators. People don't seem to realize that the stock markets are basically houses of cards, with little reasoning for a great many stock prices. It's more about feelings, than anything else. Tesla is a perfect example of that.

Of course, this will lead to even more market volatility, which is going to create worry with consumer confidence. It won't really impact long-term investors, but the short-term markets are going to be interesting to watch.

Maybe feelings for the individual investor but most of the money tied up in stocks are either owned by insiders/owners or 401k funds that sure do not invest on "feelings".

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this is because of the shorts coming friday, basically holding to force the shorts cover by needing to buy. how it actually plays out is hard to say, lol WSB is filled with spammers and botters now.

and yet the biggest short bailed out Tuesday without a single person on WSB knowing till Wed morning when they announced it.

That's the problem with shorts all the %'s are estimated and the true number is not know for quite a while.


Only reason he announced was to stabilize his company and squash rumors he was going to file for bankruptcy. The other shorts will never announce or even discuss it.

[Machismo]

for once? Ever google short squeeze?

Go look at Tilray as the most recent example that is in the same ballpark as GME
Tesla 2-4 billion dollar short disaster
Soros billion dollar short loss on trump election
Ackman admitted to losing more than $3 billion of his almost $4 billion initial investment in Valeant short in 2017
Volkswagen briefly became the world's biggest company in 2008 because of a massive short squeeze. Way bigger than GME.
DryShips in 2016 jumped 2000% costing hedge funds billions.


Hell its not even stocks. OIL suffers from short squeezes all the time. As well as other commodities


Shorting should be illegal, but its very risky and a lot of individuals and hedge funds lose a lot of money on these insane bets.

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Maybe feelings for the individual investor but most of the money tied up in stocks are either owned by insiders/owners or 401k funds that sure do not invest on "feelings".

Plenty of them do, because a lot of those investment houses and brokers are working off the feelings of investors. As for the insiders, their windows are much more restricted, and most small owners of stock (lower-level employees and whatnot), will only trade once or twice a year.

That's not to say there's not tons of cold, hard math involved. But, shorting stocks is risky, and groups like this make it much more dangerous.

And yes, I was referring to active trading, not so much with the 401k side of things. Those are almost all about long-term investment.

[The Oblivion]

for once? Ever google short squeeze?

Go look at Tilray as the most recent example that is in the same ballpark as GME
Tesla 2-4 billion dollar short disaster
Soros billion dollar short loss on trump election
Ackman admitted to losing more than $3 billion of his almost $4 billion initial investment in Valeant short in 2017
Volkswagen briefly became the world's biggest company in 2008 because of a massive short squeeze. Way bigger than GME.
DryShips in 2016 jumped 2000% costing hedge funds billions.


Hell its not even stocks. OIL suffers from short squeezes all the time. As well as other commodities


Shorting should be illegal, but its very risky and a lot of individuals and hedge funds lose a lot of money on these insane bets.

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Maybe feelings for the individual investor but most of the money tied up in stocks are either owned by insiders/owners or 401k funds that sure do not invest on "feelings".

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and yet the biggest short bailed out Tuesday without a single person on WSB knowing till Wed morning when they announced it.

That's the problem with shorts all the %'s are estimated and the true number is not know for quite a while.


Only reason he announced was to stabilize his company and squash rumors he was going to file for bankruptcy. The other shorts will never announce or even discuss it.

they dont need to be discussed. its clear you dont understand if you think we need to know when a short covers their debt.

[Zan15]

For the love of god, do some research on Bitcoin before you spew nonsense. You can't regulate Cryptocurrencies, it's decentralized! That's what makes it so awesome, it can't be controlled by any governments. In order to do so, you need at least 40% of the computing power which is pretty much impossible. The fact you referred to it as a pyramid scheme leads me to believe you don't know what an actual pyramid scheme is. How can you get scammed with crypto, I'd be curious how that works.. Governments have tried to regulate file sharing, look at how well that went, same thing with bitcoin being p2p.

Please take 10minutes out of your day and learn about the blockchain and how it's going to revolutionize currency. You don't need to be an econ major or a technical background to understand the blockchain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSo_EIwHSd4

Bitcoin has a finite supply of 21 million coins, the last one will be mined in 2140. This means it's here to stay and isn't going away anytime soon.

hahahahahah you can't regulate it. Are you serious? How can I take you seriously if you don't think this can be regulated.
If the US decided tomorrow to make it illegal the whole thing would collapse overnight.
They will require taxes be paid just like any other investment gain which will require owners to be identified just like any other security/currency investment.

Oh sure companies and individuals can refuse just like the can refuse to pay taxes now. See what happens.


i was introduced to pyramid scheme probably before you were born. Already gave examples in these forums about how i got in made money but my parents got screwed as i brought them into the fold. I know all about them in a lot of detail from direct experience.

[Tic Tacs]

I wonder what SEC going to do about this, clearing the stock is manipulated to the Moon or Mars? Pretty funny to watch to be honest.

[The Oblivion]

I wonder what SEC going to do about this, clearing the stock is manipulated to the Moon or Mars? Pretty funny to watch to be honest.

nothing, a group of people all talking and buying the same stock is normal. its no different then 10 hedge fund managers having dinner and talking business.

[Zan15]

they dont need to be discussed. its clear you dont understand if you think we need to know when a short covers their debt.

If there is a huge expected expiration on Friday but all of them closed out their positions before Friday what do you think would happen?
LOL yah why would you want to know something like 138% drops down to 51% a couple days before you expected it too.

GME is betting that the vast vast majority of shorts will not do anything till they are forced to do so on Friday.
You don't see the problem if that bet is wrong??

[gondrin]

Shorting should be illegal, but its very risky and a lot of individuals and hedge funds lose a lot of money on these insane bets.

This I can agree with. I would also like to add any option or derivative type investing should be illegal to as it is just gambling. It should be just buying and selling of stocks that you actually own.

[Zan15]

nothing, a group of people all talking and buying the same stock is normal. its no different then 10 hedge fund managers having dinner and talking business.

No this is open collusion and stock manipulation. Huge difference.

If hedge fund managers did this level of communication, planning and coordinated stock buying of a single company there would be hell to pay and the SEC would drop the hammer on them

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This I can agree with. I would also like to add any option or derivative type investing should be illegal to as it is just gambling. It should be just buying and selling of stocks that you actually own.

Agreed especially in the broader financial market outside of stocks. It only takes a few fuck ups to cause the whole cliff to go into a landslide

[The Oblivion]

No this is open collusion and stock manipulation. Huge difference.

If hedge fund managers did this level of communication, planning and coordinated stock buying of a single company there would be hell to pay and the SEC would drop the hammer on them

nope, this is a chat room of people buying a stock. you cant bend it to the terms you want, facts are facts.

[gondrin]

If there is a huge expected expiration on Friday but all of them closed out their positions before Friday what do you think would happen?
LOL yah why would you want to know something like 138% drops down to 51% a couple days before you expected it too.

GME is betting that the vast vast majority of shorts will not do anything till they are forced to do so on Friday.
You don't see the problem if that bet is wrong??

Honestly, if that bet is wrong, then those who tried to go against that bet will have to pay the price. I see it whenever I go to an actual casino. People will bet far more then they can afford to lose and while I do feel some sympathy for them, they should also know that outcome is a possibility and a good one at that.