Could the World of Warcraft and its characters defeat those of Starcraft and Diablo?

[Arikara]

Considering they were able to create perma ocean breathing spells in seconds, Sargeras flaming sword wasn't capable of igniting the atmosphere of Azeroth, there is a Titan protecting the people of Azeroth, you can run around in shadowlands, the void, and the great beyond without needing air, I'd say it probably wouldn't be a problem. You can even still breath in Outland so I'm not even sure a purifier beam would be effective or if it did it should ignite the air in space near the ship first and explode it.

Ah, yes, I see, shamans and warlocks can device methods to combat not having to breathe. I understand how that will prevent the entire world from being consumed in a fiery inferno and the whole population from being reduced to ashes.

But no, lets rely on Elune or some other powerful entity saving us all, because that was definitely the reason this thread was posted in the first place. To compare deus ex machina plot devices.

Probably in a similar way to how we beat the Legion? With Artifacts, godly powers, and shit? Also, pretty sure Fel Hounds consume magics, and are casually the size of Orcs, and the bigger ones are legit gigantic ass destructive hounds of chaos.

I don't think you quite understand. Zerglings can and will beat up a felstalker, and have properties that are far more terrifying than simply eating magic. What will happen is that you grab your fancy artifact weapon, go and fight hundreds or thousands of them at once—and, sure, you'll kill a whole lot of them. And then you'll die, because combat doesn't end until 1) you are dead 2) there are no more Zerglings within several miles, because the hive is aggroing all of them onto you. They're faster than you, they will outrun you unless you have portals or invisibility (read: not stealth), and, given how relatively limited Warcraft AoE is, you do not have enough DPS to kill all of them because, again, they come in the millions. Now, what might work significantly better is getting a nice big raid together and start an extermination squad. That'll work great as long as you're only fighting basic Zerglings, which are a comparatively weak melee unit. What's significantly more scary is fighting a large squad of ranged units, which can and will destroy you in seconds with focus fire. Tanks included.

Now, thing is, every WoW expansion has a theme of fighting some big force and campaigning against that threat over the course of two years. During this time, the big bad never takes any actual significant action to destroy our ability to wage war against them (because it is an MMO and we're supposed to win). That is not what will happen in a realistic scenario against a foe that is determined to actually defeat Azeroth, be it the Starcraft universe or any other force that is actually treated as a legitimate threat. What will happen is that any force that actually takes real action to ensure victory will immediately attack various capital cities and destroy and take over population centers.

The real question isn't, "could Azeroth win?" it is "do we assume that Azeroth champions can resurrect from death ad infinitum, and if they can, how much of a repair bill is it going to take before they have a sliver of a chance?"

[Candy Cough]

Ah, yes, I see, shamans and warlocks can device methods to combat not having to breathe. I understand how that will prevent the entire world from being consumed in a fiery inferno and the whole population from being reduced to ashes.

But no, lets rely on Elune or some other powerful entity saving us all, because that was definitely the reason this thread was posted in the first place. To compare deus ex machina plot devices.



I don't think you quite understand. Zerglings can and will beat up a felstalker, and have properties that are far more terrifying than simply eating magic. What will happen is that you grab your fancy artifact weapon, go and fight hundreds or thousands of them at once—and, sure, you'll kill a whole lot of them. And then you'll die, because combat doesn't end until 1) you are dead 2) there are no more Zerglings within several miles, because the hive is aggroing all of them onto you. They're faster than you, they will outrun you unless you have portals or invisibility (read: not stealth), and, given how relatively limited Warcraft AoE is, you do not have enough DPS to kill all of them because, again, they come in the millions. Now, what might work significantly better is getting a nice big raid together and start an extermination squad. That'll work great as long as you're only fighting basic Zerglings, which are a comparatively weak melee unit. What's significantly more scary is fighting a large squad of ranged units, which can and will destroy you in seconds with focus fire. Tanks included.

Now, thing is, every WoW expansion has a theme of fighting some big force and campaigning against that threat over the course of two years. During this time, the big bad never takes any actual significant action to destroy our ability to wage war against them (because it is an MMO and we're supposed to win). That is not what will happen in a realistic scenario against a foe that is determined to actually defeat Azeroth, be it the Starcraft universe or any other force that is actually treated as a legitimate threat. What will happen is that any force that actually takes real action to ensure victory will immediately attack various capital cities and destroy and take over population centers.

The real question isn't, "could Azeroth win?" it is "do we assume that Azeroth champions can resurrect from death ad infinitum, and if they can, how much of a repair bill is it going to take before they have a sliver of a chance?"

There is no point arguing with a brick wall lmao

Cinematic proof of a mothership killing all life on a planet night instantly "It dont matter". The only way azeroth can do that is with the forge of origination and as I remember it didn't even kill Lei shen. In starcraft they construct planet busting weapons and nukes in mere hours. Blight nearly killed all alliance leadership in lordaeron, what do you think thousands of nukes will do?

Khalai, Nerazim, Tal'darim, Purifiers, Zerg swarm, Primal zerg, Terran dominion, the fkin UED with 25 billion people and superior technology and military doctrines better than the koprulu sector put together, Amon that can mind control planets instantly and hybrids that are so powerful a single entity can defeat primal kerrigan that conjured up a storm that blot out the sun

But no no, planetary bombardment isnt possible at all. Haven't laughed so much in a while

[Rhlor]

Could the World of Warcraft's Alliance and Horde fare well against the characters of the Starcraft and the Diablo universes? (I'm not sure where exactly to ask this to be honest)

If for example, the forces of either universe, both the heroes and their worst enemies, directly attacked Azeroth, would they be able to stand against them in a full-scale conflict of epic proportions? Do you believe that any cross-over, beyond the very limited interactions in Heroes of the Storm, between these three universes would end well, since the latter games are considerably less popular than World of Warcraft?

heroes of the storm

[qwerty123456]

Ah, yes, I see, shamans and warlocks can device methods to combat not having to breathe. I understand how that will prevent the entire world from being consumed in a fiery inferno and the whole population from being reduced to ashes.

But no, lets rely on Elune or some other powerful entity saving us all, because that was definitely the reason this thread was posted in the first place. To compare deus ex machina plot devices.

It's not Elune saving everyone its a Titan who would be comparable to the Xel'naga. And people are set on fire all the time and yet survive in wow. Not only that we know our atmosphere couldn't be ignited as there isn't enough oxygen or other flammable elements in it. If its possible for the Protoss to do so then it means in their universe planets have much more flammable elements in the atmosphere which would put them at an even greater disadvantage since they likely couldn't breath in the wow universe or would really struggle to breath there.

And like I said since you can apparently breath in wow's version of space if it were possible to ignite the atmospheres in WoW they would destroy their own ships burning the atmosphere around them first.


"If for example, the forces of either universe, both the heroes and their worst enemies, directly attacked Azeroth, would they be able to stand against them in a full-scale conflict of epic proportions?" Sargeras is a Titan and the leader of the burning legion. Meaning they count. And if Titans don't count then Kerrigan wouldn't count either since she became a Xel'naga and you would need to remove everything else with Xel'naga dna as well. Wow also has Spaceships and mechs

[baskev]

Could the World of Warcraft's Alliance and Horde fare well against the characters of the Starcraft and the Diablo universes? (I'm not sure where exactly to ask this to be honest)

If for example, the forces of either universe, both the heroes and their worst enemies, directly attacked Azeroth, would they be able to stand against them in a full-scale conflict of epic proportions? Do you believe that any cross-over, beyond the very limited interactions in Heroes of the Storm, between these three universes would end well, since the latter games are considerably less popular than World of Warcraft?

euuuh battlecruiser operational and orbital bombartment....job done.

Or just some ghost and nukes

[Arikara]

It's not Elune saving everyone its a Titan who would be comparable to the Xel'naga.

Titans are significantly weaker than a Xel'naga. And pray-tell, which Titan would show up and save everyone? How are they going to safeguard the whole planet? Explain in practical detail if you like, please.

And people are set on fire all the time and yet survive in wow.

What kind of argument is this?

And like I said since you can apparently breath in wow's version of space if it were possible to ignite the atmospheres in WoW they would destroy their own ships burning the atmosphere around them first.

Outland is not space, despite appearances. For whatever reason, Outland has an atmosphere.

Why are you so concerned with trying to "nuh-uh" one particular weapon of mass destruction with nonsense? The protoss have plenty of additional ways to destroy entire planets than merely lighting a planets atmosphere on fire. But even without accounting for weapons of mass destruction, Azeroth would still lose big time in a stand-up troop fight, no contest.

That is, unless the champions of Azeroth can respawn infinitely, which might give them a long-term fighting chance, but would leave the entire world a burned-out wasteland, with every non-champion killed, subjugated, or infested.

[darkoms]

Also, regarding WoW physics, this is the same game where Sargeras legit stabs Azeroth with his blade, but it at the most only destroys Silithus, and causes internal bleeding from Azeroth VIA Azerite pouring out of the world. There was some corruption shit, but that's that.

Even though, something like that should be able to destroy the entire fucking planet, but like I said, it's bad writing on WoW's part.

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Not to mention the fact that Sargeras' blade should be much fucking bigger than what's shown in game (As it's literally a reforged, fel amplified version of the blade that cleaves worlds in two, as shown in the Chronicle). But, whatever. I'll accept it. If Blizzard wants to ignore the blade's existence atm, I'll ignore it. -_-

"The Emerald Dream is only found on Azeroth. There is a dimension of Life (perhaps called the Gardens of Life), but the Dream is unique to Azeroth." Wasn't it stated that Ardenweald and the Dream were polar opposites of each-other though? And I don't remember Ardenweald being an Azeroth only factor. Would love to see more of the planes of Life though. Maybe later this expac? They're already setting something up there.

That's all people.

They are truly opposite to each other, but the Dream is only in Azeroth.

[qwerty123456]

Titans are significantly weaker than a Xel'naga. And pray-tell, which Titan would show up and save everyone? How are they going to safeguard the whole planet? Explain in practical detail if you like, please.



What kind of argument is this?



Outland is not space, despite appearances. For whatever reason, Outland has an atmosphere.

Why are you so concerned with trying to "nuh-uh" one particular weapon of mass destruction with nonsense? The protoss have plenty of additional ways to destroy entire planets than merely lighting a planets atmosphere on fire. But even without accounting for weapons of mass destruction, Azeroth would still lose big time in a stand-up troop fight, no contest.

That is, unless the champions of Azeroth can respawn infinitely, which might give them a long-term fighting chance, but would leave the entire world a burned-out wasteland, with every non-champion killed, subjugated, or infested.

Titans are weaker? Where do you have proof of that? Xel'naga were killed by a bunch of shitty barely evolved Zerg. It took Adventurers empowered by multiple Titans to kill a Titan who already wanted to die. Azeroth is a Titan and has been protecting and empowering us. She already prevented Sargeras from wiping us out when he smashed a fucking sword larger than any Starcraft ship known to exist into her. Which btw is solid unlike a spaceship and so would have a fuckton more mass. A sword bigger than any meteor smashed into the planet and pretty much everyone survived. A Protos ship isn't going to be able to do shit. Heck not even the Terran's nukes could really do anything other than drive the nearby creatures mad. Gnomeregan got flooded with radiation and instead of dying they became leper gnomes.

The argument is that they could possibly survive being torched by the weapon.

Outlands is in the Great Dark Beyond(outer space) and Twisting Nether(or near it). Also we have been to countless other planets and rocks that they have been able to breath on like the Telogrus Rift which doesn't have a single tree. Clearly there is some sort of atmosphere in the wow version of outer space.

No way Wow loses in a troop contest. A gnome can take a hit from a giant and survive. They also have magic. Starcraft has psionics and tech. Draenei already got spaceships and mechs plus magic. Oh and the warcraft universe has magical healing spells and can revive people. They also have undead and ghosts and shit that can possess people. Starcraft has no defense against warcraft magics while warcraft has defenses against technology.

I'm not concerned I was just stating facts like that it would be impossible to burn our atmosphere and that if they were fighting and shit on a planet whose atmosphere could means its one they are comfortable breathing in and likely wouldn't survive in a universe with normal or low concentrations of oxygen or what ever made it flammable.

[Evaddon]

Diablo they could stand a chance, Starcraft is to advanced for them to compete. Now if we are talking about the whole of the universe of Warcraft and not just characters on Azeroth counting Titans, First Ones, Eternal Ones, Void Lords and The Burning Legion I think it would be pretty even probably to the point were there are no clear winners just destruction and chaos

[Arikara]

Titans are weaker? Where do you have proof of that?

Judging by their Legion appearance and how many problems they had dealing with the Old Gods, we have amble evidence that they're not particularly powerful.

Xel'naga were killed by a bunch of shitty barely evolved Zerg.

Those shitty Zerg could and would wipe the floor with Azeroth's strongest champions. Re: the point of this thread

Azeroth is a Titan and has been protecting and empowering us. She already prevented Sargeras from wiping us out

and?

when he smashed a fucking sword larger than any Starcraft ship known to exist into her. Which btw is solid unlike a spaceship and so would have a fuckton more mass.

Actually, the Spear of Adun is significantly larger than Gorribal. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything, though.

A sword bigger than any meteor smashed into the planet and pretty much everyone survived. A Protos ship isn't going to be able to do shit. Heck not even the Terran's nukes could really do anything other than drive the nearby creatures mad. Gnomeregan got flooded with radiation and instead of dying they became leper gnomes.

The argument is that they could possibly survive being torched by the weapon.

So... your argument is that Blizzard's awful writers used a weapon which was intended to kill Azeroth, and not the denizens upon it, and said awful writers chose to have it fail to kill her so that they could spend an entire expansion going "oh no that was a bad thing, she almost died", and somehow this is supposed to make both Azeroth and everyone on it immune to big explosions?

No way Wow loses in a troop contest. A gnome can take a hit from a giant and survive. They also have magic. Starcraft has psionics and tech. Draenei already got spaceships and mechs plus magic. Oh and the warcraft universe has magical healing spells and can revive people. They also have undead and ghosts and shit that can possess people. Starcraft has no defense against warcraft magics while warcraft has defenses against technology.

Alright. If you're going to list the things that Warcraft has, let me list the things that Starcraft has: A very short time to kill, and objective-focused real-time action. Warcraft has no defense against shittons of DPS that can and will kill any character, regardless of prior-established plot armor, within seconds of combat starting. That also means that Starcraft units will also die quickly. That's fine.

So, with the lore taken into respect, resurrection magic is not a thing that is common place. That is purely a gameplay mechanic. Of course, if it were canon, it still wouldn't matter. What are the draenei going to do once a small squad of Vikings humiliate their unimpressive Vindicaar? What are the various mighty champions of Azeroth going to do once hit squads of invisible bomber aircraft start following them around, striking at them any time they're distracted, and then corpse-camping them once they figure out that they should be doing that, and obliterating them every time they resurrect? What are those champions going to do once every graveyard is irradiated for miles around? What are they going to do once the Zerg start infesting and mindcontrolling them? All they need is a single second of inattentiveness alone with a burrowed Infestor, and nobody around to help, and that guy is reduced to a mindless husk serving the swarm.

would be impossible to burn our atmosphere and that if they were fighting and shit on a planet whose atmosphere could means its one they are comfortable breathing in and likely wouldn't survive in a universe with normal or low concentrations of oxygen or what ever made it flammable.

You're literally inventing things now. Where does any of this exist in the actual lore? Please keep things confined to what has actually been defined as being a thing.

[iamthedevil]

I'm pretty sure a Nephalem would beat the shit out of my characters.

[Fincayra]

Judging by their Legion appearance and how many problems they had dealing with the Old Gods, we have amble evidence that they're not particularly powerful.



Those shitty Zerg could and would wipe the floor with Azeroth's strongest champions. Re: the point of this thread



and?



Actually, the Spear of Adun is significantly larger than Gorribal. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything, though.



So... your argument is that Blizzard's awful writers used a weapon which was intended to kill Azeroth, and not the denizens upon it, and said awful writers chose to have it fail to kill her so that they could spend an entire expansion going "oh no that was a bad thing, she almost died", and somehow this is supposed to make both Azeroth and everyone on it immune to big explosions?



Alright. If you're going to list the things that Warcraft has, let me list the things that Starcraft has: A very short time to kill, and objective-focused real-time action. Warcraft has no defense against shittons of DPS that can and will kill any character, regardless of prior-established plot armor, within seconds of combat starting. That also means that Starcraft units will also die quickly. That's fine.

So, with the lore taken into respect, resurrection magic is not a thing that is common place. That is purely a gameplay mechanic. Of course, if it were canon, it still wouldn't matter. What are the draenei going to do once a small squad of Vikings humiliate their unimpressive Vindicaar? What are the various mighty champions of Azeroth going to do once hit squads of invisible bomber aircraft start following them around, striking at them any time they're distracted, and then corpse-camping them once they figure out that they should be doing that, and obliterating them every time they resurrect? What are those champions going to do once every graveyard is irradiated for miles around? What are they going to do once the Zerg start infesting and mindcontrolling them? All they need is a single second of inattentiveness alone with a burrowed Infestor, and nobody around to help, and that guy is reduced to a mindless husk serving the swarm.



You're literally inventing things now. Where does any of this exist in the actual lore? Please keep things confined to what has actually been defined as being a thing.

Not to mention, if everything else fails, and after years of failing to take Azeroth through force, they could just evacuate all their troops, and smash a faster than light craft into it and destroy it pretty handily.

[monkeyDtroll]

i dunno, all these warcraft characters and the crazy power levels are just getting ridiculous now. but everything in diablo is just as ridiculous. you really gotta consider the type of things the nephalem do. each one of the characters are supposed to be the pinnacle of there class. are we to consider angel and demons in diablo as just powerful demons or God? cuz even there existence in the material realm cause humans and monsters alike to turn against each other. and woul;d the demons be able to work WITH each other or No? To me diablo is like sargeras, as hes only been defeated by angels or nephalem. i really cant wait for more diablo lore. it really depends on how high u place the demon lords though.

[qwerty123456]

Judging by their Legion appearance and how many problems they had dealing with the Old Gods, we have amble evidence that they're not particularly powerful.

Clearly you haven't played wow in quite some time. The Titans never had a problem with the old gods. They had a problem with killing the planet if they wiped em out.

Those shitty Zerg could and would wipe the floor with Azeroth's strongest champions. Re: the point of this thread

Lol ok. I can see your just a fanboy at this point. You haven't posted a single piece of proof yet. Just because your obessed with em doesn't make it true.

and?

Actually, the Spear of Adun is significantly larger than Gorribal. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything, though.

Got any actual proof or is it your your headcannon?
Looks pretty small to me if it could fit in such a small area......
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Taeshalach
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Gorshalach
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sword_of_Sargeras
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Gorribal

So... your argument is that Blizzard's awful writers used a weapon which was intended to kill Azeroth, and not the denizens upon it, and said awful writers chose to have it fail to kill her so that they could spend an entire expansion going "oh no that was a bad thing, she almost died", and somehow this is supposed to make both Azeroth and everyone on it immune to big explosions?

No my argument was that something with more mass than a meteorite smashing into the planet didn't wipe all life on the planet.

Alright. If you're going to list the things that Warcraft has, let me list the things that Starcraft has: A very short time to kill, and objective-focused real-time action. Warcraft has no defense against shittons of DPS that can and will kill any character, regardless of prior-established plot armor, within seconds of combat starting. That also means that Starcraft units will also die quickly. That's fine.

LOL what are you going on about? And you realize Warcraft was an RTS too right? So you are basically destroying your entire argument that didn't even make sense in the first place and making the Warcraft universe even stronger using your logic lol.

So, with the lore taken into respect, resurrection magic is not a thing that is common place. That is purely a gameplay mechanic. Of course, if it were canon, it still wouldn't matter. What are the draenei going to do once a small squad of Vikings humiliate their unimpressive Vindicaar? What are the various mighty champions of Azeroth going to do once hit squads of invisible bomber aircraft start following them around, striking at them any time they're distracted, and then corpse-camping them once they figure out that they should be doing that, and obliterating them every time they resurrect? What are those champions going to do once every graveyard is irradiated for miles around? What are they going to do once the Zerg start infesting and mindcontrolling them? All they need is a single second of inattentiveness alone with a burrowed Infestor, and nobody around to help, and that guy is reduced to a mindless husk serving the swarm.

The Draenei have fought a thousand year war with immortal demons. The Protoss couldn't even stand up to humans with "noob" tech. I think the Draenei's tech is more impressive. Especially when 10 guys with rifles can shoot down your fleet.

Humans in starcraft need armor and massive weapons to compete against aliens. Humans in wow can fight actual gods in medieval armor using a small squad. A human in Starcraft will instant die to flames or anything while a human in wow can take a fireball to the face.

You're literally inventing things now. Where does any of this exist in the actual lore? Please keep things confined to what has actually been defined as being a thing.

I'm not inventing things I'm stating facts. You can't burn the atmosphere of Earth. Only planets with more flammable material ratios could it be possible on.

[TheFirstOnes]

Ah, yes, I see, shamans and warlocks can device methods to combat not having to breathe. I understand how that will prevent the entire world from being consumed in a fiery inferno and the whole population from being reduced to ashes.

But no, lets rely on Elune or some other powerful entity saving us all, because that was definitely the reason this thread was posted in the first place. To compare deus ex machina plot devices.



I don't think you quite understand. Zerglings can and will beat up a felstalker, and have properties that are far more terrifying than simply eating magic. What will happen is that you grab your fancy artifact weapon, go and fight hundreds or thousands of them at once—and, sure, you'll kill a whole lot of them. And then you'll die, because combat doesn't end until 1) you are dead 2) there are no more Zerglings within several miles, because the hive is aggroing all of them onto you. They're faster than you, they will outrun you unless you have portals or invisibility (read: not stealth), and, given how relatively limited Warcraft AoE is, you do not have enough DPS to kill all of them because, again, they come in the millions. Now, what might work significantly better is getting a nice big raid together and start an extermination squad. That'll work great as long as you're only fighting basic Zerglings, which are a comparatively weak melee unit. What's significantly more scary is fighting a large squad of ranged units, which can and will destroy you in seconds with focus fire. Tanks included.

Now, thing is, every WoW expansion has a theme of fighting some big force and campaigning against that threat over the course of two years. During this time, the big bad never takes any actual significant action to destroy our ability to wage war against them (because it is an MMO and we're supposed to win). That is not what will happen in a realistic scenario against a foe that is determined to actually defeat Azeroth, be it the Starcraft universe or any other force that is actually treated as a legitimate threat. What will happen is that any force that actually takes real action to ensure victory will immediately attack various capital cities and destroy and take over population centers.

The real question isn't, "could Azeroth win?" it is "do we assume that Azeroth champions can resurrect from death ad infinitum, and if they can, how much of a repair bill is it going to take before they have a sliver of a chance?"

"And then you'll die, because combat doesn't end until 1) you are dead 2) there are no more Zerglings within several miles, because the hive is aggroing all of them onto you." What's to stop the player or hero with the Artifact weapon from slaying them then? Artifact Powers are inherently OP, that a lot of them are baselined Planetary, if not above it.

"They're faster than you, they will outrun you unless you have portals or invisibility (read: not stealth), and, given how relatively limited Warcraft AoE" There is practically no proof here outside of a weird assumption on characters speed. Not to mention the fact that WoW AOE is not limited whatsoever.

"you do not have enough DPS to kill all of them because, again, they come in the millions." WHOA, MILLIONS?! That's insane bro, almost like that's not a feat.

"Now, what might work significantly better is getting a nice big raid together and start an extermination squad. That'll work great as long as you're only fighting basic Zerglings, which are a comparatively weak melee unit. What's significantly more scary is fighting a large squad of ranged units, which can and will destroy you in seconds with focus fire. Tanks included." Can you prove this? Like I said, we've faced off against countless world destroying foes, so a little bit of space tech means practically nothing to us and our combined might. Also, mentioning tanks is not a feat. WoW casually has tons of Tanks, and those are used for very basic Horde V Alliance combat. Now, if you're talking space tech, then may I show you a little race called the Draenei/Eredar?

"Now, thing is, every WoW expansion has a theme of fighting some big force and campaigning against that threat over the course of two years" A year, actually. While in some cases, a war lasts like 2-3 years, most of the battles lore-wise currently take place within a years time. Expansion Cycles do not apply to actual WoW lore.

"the big bad never takes any actual significant action to destroy our ability to wage war against them (because it is an MMO and we're supposed to win)" Literally every fucking foe has tried to do this...

"That is not what will happen in a realistic scenario against a foe that is determined to actually defeat Azeroth, be it the Starcraft universe or any other force that is actually treated as a legitimate threat." Starcraft has done similar shit, do not lie or provide pointless bias'. Also, realistically, foes have tried to undermine our efforts multiple times over, albeit the Broken Shore and the Rogue Class Questline with Detheroc, N'Zoth and Azshara throughout most of BFA, the Twilight's hammer throughout Cata, etc. They all tried to dismantle us, whether it be from the inside, or from the outside, so that we could not become strong enough to face the enemy upfront. And guess what, they failed all the same.

"What will happen is that any force that actually takes real action to ensure victory will immediately attack various capital cities and destroy and take over population centers." So, you admit to literally ignoring most of WoW Lore, huh? Cause in WC1 and 2, the Orcs legit tried attacking everyones capitals first hand, in TBC, the Legion planned to attack SW and Orgrimmar as soon as the Dark Portal was open for them (Which failed, miserably), WoTLK had the Scourge invasions across all our capitals, the Cataclysm had the Elemental Invasions + Deathwing literally breaking the fucking planet, WoD had the Iron Horde trying to invade Stormwind (But, like TBC with the Legion, they failed miserably), and Legion NOT ONLY had the Burning Legion bombard us with ships and all this shit across multiple zones, but they legit baited the Alliance and Horde into invading the Broken Shore so that they could rid the forces of Azeroth of their top commanders, therefore rendering them leaderless and hopefully powerless.

How is that not "the enemy trying to stop us from fighting them"? Most of the time, the enemy takes first apparent action, which is probably why they lose so many times over.

"The real question isn't, "could Azeroth win?" it is "do we assume that Azeroth champions can resurrect from death ad infinitum, and if they can, how much of a repair bill is it going to take before they have a sliver of a chance?"" Yeah, Azeroth's champions cannot resurrect that way in actual lore, but death counts kinda don't matter when, with the borrowed power and all, we legit ram through world destroyers with ease.

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"Actually, the Spear of Adun is significantly larger than Gorribal. I don't see how this has any bearing on anything, though." Gorribal is not a name. The only canonical names in WoW atm are Tae'shalach and Gor'shalach. Gorribal was the name of the Dark Render, and it was supposed to be the second half of Gor'shalach in the RPG, which is noncanon. Gorribal is not a name that's mentioned in the canon though, and Gor'shalach, as well as Tae'shalach are retconned as their own separate swords.

Also @qwerty123456 Sargeras and his blade are much smaller in that Cinematic compared to their 7.3 Key Art counterpart, as well as their Magni comic counterpart.

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Sargeras in the Cinematic also has some weird design things, such as both his shoulder pads being the same (Something that's brought into the Magni comic for some reason), and his belt's gem not being on fire. So, the overall thing with Sargeras is likely just a game thing, either to keep proportions in check, or some shit like that. But he's shown to be bigger in multiple other sources, especially a canon comic.

However, for the 50th time, size means fucking nothing. EVEN IF THE SPEAR OF ALDUN WAS BIGGER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S MORE POWERFUL! How many times must I debunk this fucking argument about size?

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If that's the case, mf's like the Jailer, or guys from other verses like Goku would be fodder as hell...

And we know for a fact they're not.

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Now, allow me to bring up my WoW scans for an overall point of view. I'll make an Imgur just to help you guys out a bit.

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https://imgur.com/gallery/ak5HE7p Here you go, this is just part of the scans I have regarding WoW. Some of them don't have pictures sadly (Pics exist for em, but I'm too lazy to screenshot shit), so I would suggest reading. If y'all disagree, that's fine, but a lot of the stuff I have in here is of in game lore or in game scaling. So, if you do disagree with me, there better be a damn good reason why.

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I have some more stuff, but I'm tired as fuck, and I've been working on this Imgur shit for an hour now already. I'm heading to bed. Good night folks.

[Terongor]

All Nephalems instead participated in Diablo's defeat in D3. Also, the hero in Vov is not one specific hero (although starting with the Legion it all becomes blurry and there is one High Lord or one Voice of the Horde), there are many heroes who participate in the raid.

Lol, heroes are constantly mentioned in books and they even have a separate chapter in the Chronicles. Maybe you did not read it carefully?

How will Starcraft defeat someone like the Titans, Void Lords, or Elune?

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He tried to convince him that he would become a useful servant and not kill him. And Uldyssian is the most powerful nephalem ever, far more powerful than any other (and it was written by Knaak ...)

Well starcraft has this https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Vo...kness_(entity) its hard to tell how powerful it is but its implied to be lovecraftian scale as it took all xel'naga to beat it and seeing how BS kerrigan was with xel'naga powers or amon was... other than him starcraft will most likely loss.

[darkoms]

Well starcraft has this https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Vo...kness_(entity) its hard to tell how powerful it is but its implied to be lovecraftian scale as it took all xel'naga to beat it and seeing how BS kerrigan was with xel'naga powers or amon was... other than him starcraft will most likely loss.

Poof about ALL Xel-naga?

[TheFirstOnes]

Well starcraft has this https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/Vo...kness_(entity) its hard to tell how powerful it is but its implied to be lovecraftian scale as it took all xel'naga to beat it and seeing how BS kerrigan was with xel'naga powers or amon was... other than him starcraft will most likely loss.

Eh, that depends on how powerful it is overall though. Judging by the feats and supposed nature of the Voice in the Darkness, I don't think it's on the level of say the Outer Gods, or depictions of them from other verses such as the Void Lords from WoW, but I would say the Voice in the Darkness could be more comparable to something such as Dimensius the All Devouring, or Murmur.

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Poof about ALL Xel-naga?

I too want to see proof of this. I'm sure it's found in the game somewhere, but it would be nice to see a pic of it. Like I said, I'm not a Starcraft player.

[Terongor]

Poof about ALL Xel-naga?

Well what we know of xel'naga history before amon they were unified force and it took xel'nagas as civilization to stop him but all is hyperpolic its more likely many of them and seeing how powerful he was even while imprisoned makes amon look very small.

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Eh, that depends on how powerful it is overall though. Judging by the feats and supposed nature of the Voice in the Darkness, I don't think it's on the level of say the Outer Gods, or depictions of them from other verses such as the Void Lords from WoW, but I would say the Voice in the Darkness could be more comparable to something such as Dimensius the All Devouring, or Murmur.

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I too want to see proof of this. I'm sure it's found in the game somewhere, but it would be nice to see a pic of it. Like I said, I'm not a Starcraft player.

Well he was imprisoned most of the comic tied to that asteroid still showing incredible feets and overcharging an arguss crystal(made by xel'naga to keep him prisoned) to explode didn't destroy him. While murmur was kept imprisoned by handfull of warlocks while voice in the dark is laying waste to entire worlds.

[Hellobolis]

starcraft has spaceships so thats default victory. i daresay psionics/telepathy is also the strongest form of magic between the franchises, and one that the other franchises don't have an inherent defense against either. on top of that all the starcraft factions are just better at being an army than anything in warcraft of diablo.

both warcraft and diablo have the distinct problem that they have a in universe power source that their powers originate from, so they would be screwed in a prolonged conflict if it took place outside their universe.