Could the World of Warcraft and its characters defeat those of Starcraft and Diablo?

[OokOok]

I don't know what's more dumb, this question or the fact fanboys are voting for WoW lol

Starcraft is space ships, alien technoogy and zerg. The only way starcraft loses is if the Pantheon go giant mode and start swinging at shit, but considering 2 expansions ago the pantheon lost their power and are now just sitting in chairs. If you remove Blizzards ability to pull lore out of their ass for WoW, they lose everytime in the logical department.

[qwerty123456]

I don't know what's more dumb, this question or the fact fanboys are voting for WoW lol

Starcraft is space ships, alien technoogy and zerg. The only way starcraft loses is if the Pantheon go giant mode and start swinging at shit, but considering 2 expansions ago the pantheon lost their power and are now just sitting in chairs. If you remove Blizzards ability to pull lore out of their ass for WoW, they lose everytime in the logical department.

Warcraft has space ships, alien technology, and the scourge. Zerg lose to guys with flamethrowers and you have mages who can create massive rains of fire and beings made of fire.

[Hellobolis]

There is practically no proof here outside of a weird assumption on characters speed. Not to mention the fact that WoW AOE is not limited whatsoever.

it's pretty darned limited, especially in range. if you list weapons/abilities in wow that have a range of more than say a mile, you'll run out of "regular army" stuff pretty quick. almost all combat in warcraft (and diablo for that matter), even in lore, happens at ranges of a couple hundred yards at most.

like seriously, artillery in warcraft is something like a mortar or catapult.

[Veggie50]

There actually is an undeniable answer here;

“Yes. If the writers want them to.”

[DeltrusDisc]

Warcraft would legit doggystyle BOTH verses. Outside of Xel'naga Kerrigan and maybe Amon, there is literally no one in Starcraft that could beat the Legion or something like the Titans. Pretty sure WoW's made it clear that the fucking Void Lords are legit WoW's version of the Outer Gods from HP Lovecraft, and while they may or may not be as powerful, they're certainly still a force to be reckoned with.

Warcraft is kinda built different, in that it takes things from multiple verses and combines it into 1 megaverse. You legit have Starcraft shit in WoW, but expanded with tons of power creeps (Like the Legion transcending Time, or Sargeras cleaving worlds, stars, or creating/destroying dimensions and shit like that), and you legit have Diablo shit in WoW...BUT WITH THE POWER CREEPS (The Maw, or Antorus, anyone? lol)

I'm not going to say that the WoW Adventurers singularly could win against guys from Starcraft or shit like that (As, lore wise, the players are canonically scaled rather weirdly, from being either weak asf to absolute god-tier chads, tho most of the time, we're empowered by a greater force).

Though, if we're talking lore, I could argue Deathwing could slap both the Diablo and Starcraft verses, but you're not ready for that conversation yet, people. Y'all still got Sargeras at Planet level, for some fucking reason

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"The Zerg can consume entire planets of biology for resources in a realistic situation. If they absorb even one adventurer of any kind of class on either Diablo or Warcraft then suddenly even Old Gods and Prime Evils are on the table for Zerg to overcome. If the Prime Evils and Old Gods are consumed, the multiverses are all basically screwed at that point." Nothing here suggests the Zerg can consume beings of pure Void or chaos, though? Also, Warcraft's rules are not like Starcrafts rules. We've fought infinite armies before, and have even faced things that could legit do exactly what the Zerg do. Isn't that the whole point of us fighting Life dudes in Draenor, or us fighting Void beings that legit consume worlds, or any type of matter in the cosmos? The Zerg are literally not special.

"The Zerg are made to assimilate and adapt. The Scourge can only raise the dead - their ability to adapt to new threats isn't as innate as the Zerg. In the back and forth of infesting and raising, the Zerg eventually I think overcome the Scourge. Especially considering the psychic control feats of their respective leaders, even with the Lich King at the helm the Zerg span an entire universe-wide control network -- a much greater control feat than the Lich King has ever boasted before, even if the potential is there so at the very least the Scourge is working with a much lower force unless all of the multiverses of Azeroth are suddenly under the Lich King's control. The Lich King's power grows with each soul he has, so in this kind of scenario we may have a Lich King that is so powerful that not any zerg could be a threat... but if he even gets a tiny bit of infection on him, it's all over. We don't even know if the Lich King could raise Zerg or not - they could be too much of an aberration for the magic to work. Like, is there even a soul to claim? Plus, the Hive Mind is one collective consciousness. If one is raised, does the entire Hive Mind fall? Or does the Hive Mind because of its greater psychic feat end up being the more powerful controlling force even if they are raised? If they adapt after that, the Scourge wouldn't be able to raise them. They'd probably just adapt to explode into useless goo or something. Anyway I think it's safer to say the Starcraft universe has more life at their disposal, as the universe of Azeroth is mostly described as basically empty by comparison so out the gate even with everything Warcraft will be at a disadvantage in terms of numbers which is really scary for the Zerg to have if they had all of the Protoss and Terran an Xel'naga and so on combined already."

This one is also weird, as the LK doesn't just raise the Undead, but he's also an apparent god at Telekenisis, Necromancy, and mind manipulation. Also, regarding the Hive Mind and so forth. Aren't the forces of the Old Gods or shit like that similar to that of the Scourge, but on a more Lovecraftian level? If that's the case, then the Lich King not only thought he could defeat the Legion in the Chronicle, but he also thought he could defeat the Void threat as well (On Azeroth, at least). Also, ICC is legit made out of Yogg'Saron's blood, the Zerg being too much of anything for the LK to raise is a laughable argument, as they're legit physical beings you can kill, not to mention the LK can legit raise ghosts and shit on command, not to mention he has connections to shit in the Shadowlands, which is comprised of gods and mortal souls that expand beyond the reaches of reality itself.

I'm not gonna look further into this argument. It just seems like you're hyping up the Zerg, when they're literally not that impressive. "Oh wow, they were made to assimilate" Ok? And? Lots of forces in a lot of verses can do exactly what the Zerg can do, if not more with ease. And the Zerg are also apparently easily controllable. Fucking Kerrigan ruled over them a bit, yeah?

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That literally doesn't stop anyone. If the Jailer can sense potential in Anduin, why can't Imperius? Also, being a mortal is not an excuse. Tons of Gods in WoW have died to mortals before. Hell, we, with the Pantheon's aid, literally killed Argus the Unmaker and aided in freeing the Pantheon's souls. We're legit called their champions during the final battle against the Unmaker.

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It's literally not that simple.

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"Azeroth vs Sanctuary? Its over for azeroth basically. The nephalem is so fkin strong its insane." This is just wrong. Beating Diablo or looking down on mortals cause they "don't share enough spark" is the shittiest excuse ever, as apparently Azeroth's Titan gives mortals so much fucking spark, it's practically a godsend amongst the Warcraft Universe. Did I mention that Diablo is pretty fucking weak? Pretty sure Archimonde could dismantle the demon without care.

Just so I'm reading you correctly... who do you think is stronger, Deathwing or Sargeras?\

[Houle]

Depends. Including EVERY character in all 3 universes?
Warcraft easily.
Sargeras, Titans, Void Lords, Elune, Eternal Ones, Old Gods, First Ones, you name it.
SC has Xel'Naga, Amon, and Ascended Kerrigan, and none of them have feats even close to what beings like Sargeras have.
Diablo is on the lowest end here.

[Lothaeryn]

Depends. Including EVERY character in all 3 universes?
Warcraft easily.
Sargeras, Titans, Void Lords, Elune, Eternal Ones, Old Gods, First Ones, you name it.
SC has Xel'Naga, Amon, and Ascended Kerrigan, and none of them have feats even close to what beings like Sargeras have.
Diablo is on the lowest end here.

The Xel'Naga literally create universes out of thin fucking air, how the hell are you putting the Titans or Sargeras above them? What has sargeras done for 30k+ eons? fucking cut a planet in half? Big fucking whoop.

If any universe tier entity, be it titans, Sargeras, void lords, Xel'Naga, etc. get involved none of this discussion matters, because you are talking about cosmic entities duking it out and obliterating galaxies blow for blow. But even IF we added them in, the Xel'Naga win by default. They literally can Mind Control every mortal in existence if given the desire as shown by Amon's example; and, again, can literally create universes, where none of the other cosmic forces have ever been shown to have that potential. Their power far exceeds anything shown in Warcraft so far, Diablo potentially has a parity with the Creation myth entities of heaven and hell, but that isn't clearly defined.

If we want a fair and honest discussion about what group could win, this thread would need to be limited to the Mortal plane of power only.

[darkoms]

Well what we know of xel'naga history before amon they were unified force and it took xel'nagas as civilization to stop him but all is hyperpolic its more likely many of them and seeing how powerful he was even while imprisoned makes amon look very small.

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Well he was imprisoned most of the comic tied to that asteroid still showing incredible feets and overcharging an arguss crystal(made by xel'naga to keep him prisoned) to explode didn't destroy him. While murmur was kept imprisoned by handfull of warlocks while voice in the dark is laying waste to entire worlds.

That is, there are no proofs as always?

The Murmur was not summoned to full capacity, lol. It is comparable to the classic Ragnaros. He was summoned, but not completely and therefore he is extremely weak.

[Kallor]

I always got the feeling that the armies and fleets in Warcraft are quite small in numbers. Starcraft's armies/navies are way more technologically advanced, and WAY more numerous. The Warcraft universe wouldn't stand a chance.

[Candy Cough]

I always got the feeling that the armies and fleets in Warcraft are quite small in numbers. Starcraft's armies/navies are way more technologically advanced, and WAY more numerous. The Warcraft universe wouldn't stand a chance.

Indeed

On top of that I learned the xel'naga are more powerful than I thought. I was a bit rusty since I didnt play starcraft again after doing the Lotv campaign at release

Hundreds of Xel'naga vs 8 Titans

Their feats are rather similar, Sargeras really can't destroy entire planets with ease

According to Zurvan, Amon can rip apart planets instantly of he so chose, they are on top of that capable of mind controlling a vast number of people aswell as creating shit from absolutely nothing. Imagine what would happened if 100s of Xel'naga worked together.

They also have a void entity called the voice in the darkness that is responsible for destroying entire worlds single handedly wheras sargeras needed his burning legion

The only problem we face is that Xel'naga normally refuse to kill life because they see them as their babies, but seeing as this is warcraft and made by the first ones/titans they might just see them as abominations needed to be destroyed or something

Again we can't really know who wins anyway since it's all just opinions and headcanon. Like Batman might aswell beat goku with enough preptime but then exhaugsting causes goku to get a heart attack and die or something. It's basically that kind of pointless arguing. But I played starcraft before WoW so it will always have a spot in my heart.

[Vampyrr]

No, Kosak said that once and it was never mentioned in the canon.

Malfurion in the War of the Ancients may have used the power of Azeroth, but this is Malfurion in Knaak's books. We are children of Azeroth because we literally live on this planet, is that strange to you?

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What are the planet-sized Legion ships ???

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Uldyssian single-handedly stopped time for the entire planet, including the armies of Hell and Heaven (along with the Archangels), and even other nephalem (including the very first of them), while due to his uncontrollable anger, the planet itself began to collapse. The Nephalem in Diablo 3 are likely weaker than him, although Auriel mentions that the Nephalem hero is as strong as Uldyssian.

Yeah I am just basing it on current Diablo 3. None of us have that kind of power.

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the adventurer is a talented fighter but still just a normal dude

The nephalem is an angel/demon hybrid that single handedly stopped demonic invasions, even death itself. Diablo had the powers of all prime evils through the black soulstone, and was still defeated by the nephalem without any lore help

And I am saying our Champion in their universe would probably be as strong or stronger. The things we do just questing are at the same level.

[Thrif]

StarCraft >>>>> WarCraft > Diablo.

StarCraft is war on an intergalactic scale, and either of the main races could easily obliterate Azeroth if they were to come upon it. Not to mention the Xel'Nagas.

Diablo on the other hand is nowhere near that scale. Angels and demons are commonplace in Azeroth and at this point not really credible threats.

[Houle]

The Xel'Naga literally create universes out of thin fucking air, how the hell are you putting the Titans or Sargeras above them? What has sargeras done for 30k+ eons? fucking cut a planet in half? Big fucking whoop.

If any universe tier entity, be it titans, Sargeras, void lords, Xel'Naga, etc. get involved none of this discussion matters, because you are talking about cosmic entities duking it out and obliterating galaxies blow for blow. But even IF we added them in, the Xel'Naga win by default. They literally can Mind Control every mortal in existence if given the desire as shown by Amon's example; and, again, can literally create universes, where none of the other cosmic forces have ever been shown to have that potential. Their power far exceeds anything shown in Warcraft so far, Diablo potentially has a parity with the Creation myth entities of heaven and hell, but that isn't clearly defined.

If we want a fair and honest discussion about what group could win, this thread would need to be limited to the Mortal plane of power only.

"cutting a planet"?

to everyoen saying sargeras can only cut a planet: the dude can destroy mutiple planets at the same time AT LEAST. in his fight with the pantheon, he summoned a fel storm that destroyed all their planet-sized bodies. all of them at once.
dude is far and beyond mere "planet buster"
also, if we take argus "end of creation" spell into account (which may be or not be canon), he can end literally everything

[Lothaeryn]

"cutting a planet"?

to everyoen saying sargeras can only cut a planet: the dude can destroy mutiple planets at the same time AT LEAST. in his fight with the pantheon, he summoned a fel storm that destroyed all their planet-sized bodies. all of them at once.
dude is far and beyond mere "planet buster"
also, if we take argus "end of creation" spell into account (which may be or not be canon), he can end literally everything

Again, we are talking about a man who can destroy planets and comparing it to beings who create universes... I don't get how you overlook this simple yet oh so significant fact.

You realize that Sargeras was literally WISHING he had the Xel'Naga's power? Because it would mean he could recreate the universe without having to conquer it. His sole reason for the Burning Leigon was to remake the universe to prevent the Void Lords from corrupting it, that is way far down the power scale to beings that simply will entire laws of physics and big bangs into existence.

To even compare the two on an even setting is asinine.

Argus's mechanic is literally that: A mechanic with some pseudo-narrative flair to explain why it works. It hasn't, and likely never will be mentioned again.

The void lords are still a joke in this comparison, even if we take them at full face value, they can't even pierce a reality on their own without a proxy guiding them through it, the Xel'Naga create universes as a form of reproduction.

[TheRevenantHero]

they can't defeat Starcraft because of three words.

Nuclear launch detected.

[Lothaeryn]

they can't defeat Starcraft because of three words.

Nuclear launch detected.

Not to mention the Protoss have been Glassing solar systems for eons preventing the Zerg from spreading. Its just another freaking Tuesday to them. Magic would be the only saving grace for Azeroth, and I don't think they have any shield magics powerful enough for a star's worth of lasers falling on their heads.

[darkoms]

Again, we are talking about a man who can destroy planets and comparing it to beings who create universes... I don't get how you overlook this simple yet oh so significant fact.

You realize that Sargeras was literally WISHING he had the Xel'Naga's power? Because it would mean he could recreate the universe without having to conquer it. His sole reason for the Burning Leigon was to remake the universe to prevent the Void Lords from corrupting it, that is way far down the power scale to beings that simply will entire laws of physics and big bangs into existence.

To even compare the two on an even setting is asinine.

Argus's mechanic is literally that: A mechanic with some pseudo-narrative flair to explain why it works. It hasn't, and likely never will be mentioned again.

The void lords are still a joke in this comparison, even if we take them at full face value, they can't even pierce a reality on their own without a proxy guiding them through it, the Xel'Naga create universes as a form of reproduction.

They create universes but have lost to the zerg armies? Wow, cool.

[Houle]

Again, we are talking about a man who can destroy planets and comparing it to beings who create universes... I don't get how you overlook this simple yet oh so significant fact.

You realize that Sargeras was literally WISHING he had the Xel'Naga's power? Because it would mean he could recreate the universe without having to conquer it. His sole reason for the Burning Leigon was to remake the universe to prevent the Void Lords from corrupting it, that is way far down the power scale to beings that simply will entire laws of physics and big bangs into existence.

To even compare the two on an even setting is asinine.

Argus's mechanic is literally that: A mechanic with some pseudo-narrative flair to explain why it works. It hasn't, and likely never will be mentioned again.

The void lords are still a joke in this comparison, even if we take them at full face value, they can't even pierce a reality on their own without a proxy guiding them through it, the Xel'Naga create universes as a form of reproduction.

The single, oveerwhelming argument against that: We dont know how long it took them to destroy said universes. It mightve been eons.

And thats all there is to it. For all we know, they couldve spent god knows how much of their life-time to destroy the old universe and then create a new one. Which is exactly what Sargeras was doing, except he was a single guy, not an entire race, AND he was working against almost equally powerfuly forces trying to stop him.
Also, as other guys have been saying on this thread, the Xel'Naga lost to the Zerg. If they could just destroy the universe with a snip, that wouldnt have happened.

Spin it how you want, as someone who has played all 3 games extensively, the WC universe simply has too many defined feats (in comparison to the SC universe, where most of the big feats are merely vagualy described at best).
Dont take me wrong, i hate the power creep that has overtaken the WC universe, but Blizz keeps pushing it. Latest addition are the "First Ones" who might just be all-powerful gods who can end everything on a whim, for all we know. The fact that Blizz keeps pushing the WC universe into insane dimensions of power is simply unstoppable here.

[Azerate]

Starcraft is a dead franchise therefore the characters stopped progressing in power, so they were left behind wow characters.

Diablo universe is cannonically on a lower scale since forever

[Kallor]

Spin it how you want, as someone who has played all 3 games extensively, the WC universe simply has too many defined feats.

I mean, even regular characters in the SC universe has nuclear weapons. You can't compete against an armada of thousands of spaceships. Even if it was true that the most powerful godlike creatures are stronger in the WC universe (they might well be), they still can't compare with the sheer number and technological might of the SC armadas where even the normal critters can destroy planets.