Centralising all DC content on one platform is a mistake

[Henako]

Indeed, the map is changing, and I don't think anyone can predict. what happens if now everyone just hops? Do you try to lock them into 12 month contracts ore ven 24 month ones like service providers now do?

Nobody will do this. If you make things too expensive or too inconvenient, people will just pirate your content.

[Egomaniac]

One day. people will get fed up with all the subscriptions. And One provider will find a way to put them all on one service. And call it cord or wire or something like that. And so the cycle will continue.

There's not really any way for one provider to just put them all on one service without going through the parent companies. So there's basically only a couple ways for that to happen

1) One company (likely Disney) just starts buying up the others and putting that content on their service.
2) the Companies get together and combine all their subscription services into one mega service.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

There's not really any way for one provider to just put them all on one service without going through the parent companies. So there's basically only a couple ways for that to happen

1) One company (likely Disney) just starts buying up the others and putting that content on their service.
2) the Companies get together and combine all their subscription services into one mega service.

That doesn't look great either way.

[PACOX]

There's not really any way for one provider to just put them all on one service without going through the parent companies. So there's basically only a couple ways for that to happen

2) the Companies get together and combine all their subscription services into one mega service.

Roku kind of does this. They have an interface that consolidates and manages all of your subs. The problem isn't all the services. They problem is that people don't get lazy and don't manage their services.

What made streaming platforms attractive in the first place is that you could sub and unsub as you pleased. Choose a platform that you liked, avoid those you don't. Not be locked into contracts, etc. People are subbing, not using their service, then blaming the market.

[Egomaniac]

Roku kind of does this. They have an interface that consolidates and manages all of your subs. The problem isn't all the services. They problem is that people don't get lazy and don't manage their services.

That's not really the same thing. That's one interface covering multiple subscriptions....not one subscription providing content from multiple services.

[Dundebuns]

Sounds like a great time for new distribution technologies to be developed. I wonder what we'll get in the wake of p2p and other anonymised downloading protocols?

[Egomaniac]

That doesn't look great either way.

No, it's not... but those are the only ways I can see there ever being one consolidated service streaming content from all these different providers.

[gaymer77]

You do realize that all Star Wars and Marvel things are exclusive to Disney+ now right? DC doing this is no different than Star Wars and Marvel headed to Disney+. They used to have stuff on Netflix but once those contracts expired it was dropped and not renewed solely to be aired on Disney+. Before HBO Max getting them, the DC shit was on the DC streaming service DC Universe and you had to pay for it too. Now with it being on HBO Max, I can watch all things DC with my subscription to HBO that I've always had attached to my Hulu subscription for the past 6 years.

I think when Netflix more or less had a monopoly as a streaming service, people retained their subscription practically indefinitely. But with increasingly greater competition in the market, people are more likely to subscribe short term, watch something specific, then move on to the next service, since all of them have exclusive content.

Exclusive content definitely brings in customers, I just wonder how it affects customer retention when there's as much competition in the market as there is.

I started out with Netflix but then I discovered Hulu and saw how Hulu had more of the current TV programming as it was happening instead of having to wait for Netflix to pick it up months after the season ended. Then I saw I could add HBO to Hulu and I was sold. The only time I've had an interruption in my Hulu is when my subscription ran out before payday happened and I just didn't have the $$ in my account to cover my Hulu and addons I have with it. Most I've went without Hulu was like 4-5 days but my Netflix I've let run out multiple times. Hell now I don't even pay for it because my sister & I share Hulu, Netflix, HBO, Disney+, and Prime (I pay for Hulu & HBO & Disney while she pays the others). Yes Netflix has some really good original programming but in terms of current shows/movies airing on their service it is lackluster.

[PACOX]

That's not really the same thing. That's one interface covering multiple subscriptions....not one subscription providing content from multiple services.

I know it's not the same thing, kind of.

Typically when people complain about there being too many platforms it's because they can't adequately manage their subscriptions for whatever reason. This makes them feel overwhelmed and that they are wasting their money (which is kind of the case).

What it (a platform like Rokus) does is manages the laziness of subscribers by consolidating all their subs. It also allows users to browse all their subs from one location without having fumble through separate apps and websites - making subbing to multiple platforms very user-friendly.

[JDL49]

Indeed, the map is changing, and I don't think anyone can predict. what happens if now everyone just hops? Do you try to lock them into 12 month contracts ore ven 24 month ones like service providers now do?

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Wait,.. didn't they intentionally jack up licensing fees because they'd been planning to shift to their own platforms anyway rather than the other way around happening? Basically, squeeze out the competition?

No. 1) The content had become worth a lot more than Netflix could pay, and 2) Netflix had gotten out of their lane. They were doing original material and in bulk. No way that continued.

[VinceVega]

Honestly Netflix has been shit for years the great shows they bring in only make it 1 season and you never get anything from them again, but the Woke shit on one but the critics like get 15 seasons. So we just keep a sub or 2 going for Amazon, HBO, Hulu or others that are to come and watch what we want and then move on.

You really think Netflix cares about what content they create?
They give shows more season who retain and create the most new customers.

"Woke shit" is watched apparantly enough for them to warrant a bigger investment. You not liking it has nothing to do with it because there are anough people who like it.
Netflix is not some big bad socialist agenda pusher. They are a free market company with the sole goal of generating revenue. NOTHING else.
The dreaded "woke shit" shows are the ones generating it because guess what: Most people like them enough. The internet is a bubble and that espiaccialy is visible with tv shows and games that are called woke. Forums will throw a hissyfit. Downvote the shit out of it. And then tell themselve everybody dislikes it becaus they stormed rotten tomatos in droves.
This is not represantative for the wider audience. I guarantee 99% of viewers won't even look the show up before watching it or care about a audience rating that obviously is not represantative.

TLDR: Netflix does what brings them the most viewers and in turn the most money. They are are not concerened with you opinion on what is woke or not.

[JDL49]

Nobody will do this. If you make things too expensive or too inconvenient, people will just pirate your content.

Not as easily now that profiting from illegal streaming is a felony.

[schwank05]

You really think Netflix cares about what content they create?
They give shows more season who retain and create the most new customers.

"Woke shit" is watched apparantly enough for them to warrant a bigger investment. You not liking it has nothing to do with it because there are anough people who like it.
Netflix is not some big bad socialist agenda pusher. They are a free market company with the sole goal of generating revenue. NOTHING else.
The dreaded "woke shit" shows are the ones generating it because guess what: Most people like them enough. The internet is a bubble and that espiaccialy is visible with tv shows and games that are called woke. Forums will throw a hissyfit. Downvote the shit out of it. And then tell themselve everybody dislikes it becaus they stormed rotten tomatos in droves.
This is not represantative for the wider audience. I guarantee 99% of viewers won't even look the show up before watching it or care about a audience rating that obviously is not represantative.

TLDR: Netflix does what brings them the most viewers and in turn the most money. They are are not concerened with you opinion on what is woke or not.

I rarely ever look at ratings, but if I do I look at Critic vs. Audience Ratings and usually seek out the stuff with low critic rating and high audience ratings which usually turns out to be the much better content than if critics rate it high and audience rates it low. But that is why so may people speak with their wallets these days I unsubbed from Netflix after they never continued the shows I liked and keep making shitty ones.

[VinceVega]

I rarely ever look at ratings, but if I do I look at Critic vs. Audience Ratings and usually seek out the stuff with low critic rating and high audience ratings which usually turns out to be the much better content than if critics rate it high and audience rates it low. But that is why so may people speak with their wallets these days I unsubbed from Netflix after they never continued the shows I liked and keep making shitty ones.

I used to do it with ratings the same. Mostly. But the internet started to vote stuff 1/10 just because a character was not to their liking and stuff. That was the point where i stopped looking at ratings alltogether.
It just never represantative of how many people actually liked the show. Just reddit and co. mass downvoting something.

[Beloren]

TLDR: Netflix does what brings them the most viewers and in turn the most money. They are are not concerened with you opinion on what is woke or not.

I wouldn’t be so sure though, a lot of this woke preaching in entertainment is bumming a lot but metworks still pushing.

Several reasons can be for this. 1. Is long term, 2. There is more going on than you realise and it’s not all about money for the people who own this But about cultural change and they don’t mind taking a hit. 3. They aren’t as smart as you think, the metrics they rely on aren’t good at reading people’s reactions and dislikes. Most will go see a famous title and hate it, but it will still make billions cos they went and saw it once though it sucked. Now it wouldn’t hit as much as they expected but it still earned a lot of money not the best record but still much. Now this is because there are more people around today than in previous years and entertainment plays a larger role now than before, better at tracking views than before giving a false reading that his is better when it isn’t.


Finally some of this producers and execs are really good at lying because their investors are old fives who think in boomer type mentalities that’s if you have a high position you are being truthful. These guys lie to their investors through their teeth to save their jobs and gain more projects even though their work tanks bad. They are quick to point out and stress other reasons that explain the dips rather than their preachy approach is just not liked.

Those investors do not read mmo, Reddit or watch mass fan channels like YouTube or know the real sentiment so their execs spin tales to explain figures and false projections. And it works. They get more money for rubbish you don’t want because they are telling investors that the disgruntlement is due to spiteful fans they call anyone who makes a bad comment or says a bad thing about it blaming that rather than their show stinking as the reason.

The unfortunate thing is that their is so much going it’s nearly impossible to tell what exactly is going on and some of these guys don’t care. They will say what it takes to keep their job even if their stuff stinks.

And enough execs believe it.

At the end of the day it’s all perception to these guys and if you make them see a bigger picture in the long run etc.

Also their metrics can be false. They can follow buzzing trends on Twitter and reddit but many of those platforms are sub communities in their bubbles and don’t reflect the majority of people but content you get is weighed on the buzz of those platforms and the false assumptions is those platforms are accurate reflections of what people feel. These guys will take another 6-10 years to realise they shouldn’t rely on everything that buzzes on Twitter because it is a shrinking but shrieking crowd most of us don’t really care or agree with

[VinceVega]

I wouldn’t be so sure though, a lot of this woke preaching in entertainment is bumming a lot but metworks still pushing.

Several reasons can be for this. 1. Is long term, 2. There is more going on than you realise and it’s not all about money for the people who own this But about cultural change and they don’t mind taking a hit. 3. They aren’t as smart as you think, the metrics they rely on aren’t good at reading people’s reactions and dislikes. Most will go see a famous title and hate it, but it will still make billions cos they went and saw it once though it sucked. Now it wouldn’t hit as much as they expected but it still earned a lot of money not the best record but still much. Now this is because there are more people around today than in previous years and entertainment plays a larger role now than before, better at tracking views than before giving a false reading that his is better when it isn’t.


Finally some of this producers and execs are really good at lying because their investors are old fives who think in boomer type mentalities that’s if you have a high position you are being truthful. These guys lie to their investors through their teeth to save their jobs and gain more projects even though their work tanks bad. They are quick to point out and stress other reasons that explain the dips rather than their preachy approach is just not liked.

Those investors do not read mmo, Reddit or watch mass fan channels like YouTube or know the real sentiment so their execs spin tales to explain figures and false projections. And it works. They get more money for rubbish you don’t want because they are telling investors that the disgruntlement is due to spiteful fans they call anyone who makes a bad comment or says a bad thing about it blaming that rather than their show stinking as the reason.

The unfortunate thing is that their is so much going it’s nearly impossible to tell what exactly is going on and some of these guys don’t care. They will say what it takes to keep their job even if their stuff stinks.

And enough execs believe it.

At the end of the day it’s all perception to these guys and if you make them see a bigger picture in the long run etc.

Also their metrics can be false. They can follow buzzing trends on Twitter and reddit but many of those platforms are sub communities in their bubbles and don’t reflect the majority of people but content you get is weighed on the buzz of those platforms and the false assumptions is those platforms are accurate reflections of what people feel. These guys will take another 6-10 years to realise they shouldn’t rely on everything that buzzes on Twitter because it is a shrinking but shrieking crowd most of us don’t really care or agree with

The reddit stuff and fan channels on youtube are also not a real metric. Exactly like twitter and co. aren't.
Because most people do not engange in stuff like this or are not as pedantic as those channels.

Hell nearly every fan channel of Star Wars/Star Trek etc devolved into a outcry medium over the last few years.
Gay character anywhere, thousands of video ala HeelsvsBabyface crying and crying and crying without any substance or actula arguments other than "muh woooke"

Netlfix does not use forums and twitter etc as a metric for anythign as it is not representative. They are all just a echochamber fueld by confirmation bias.

Take all the teen dramas on netflix with cookie cutter characters. There is always a smart women, a gay guy, one incredibly good looking dude who is also very sensetive and an asshole who for some reason ends up with the smart girl. Is it stupid? Sure. Do people watch it. Also yes. That is why these shows get season after season and reddit and 9gag and whatnot get their titties in a twist becuase the evil gays take over the world.

Then there is stuff like firefly. Which is quite fun to watch but in the end way to narrow in its demographic to be viable in the long run.
The Expanse had to be saved by Celebreties promoting it.

In short: The metrics they use to renew stuff and create new shows are not generated out of twitter, reddit and whatnot. Nobody knows how netflix generates their metrics as they don't publish them anymore. Not even Rotten Tomatos has influence over it becuase it is just used to mass downvote stuff reddit doesn't like without actually representing what the mass of people REALLY thing about it. Don't like the characters 1/10. Doesn't matter if the game/movie/tvshow are not that bad objectivly.

[AcidicSyn]

The only way I would consume any of DCs stuff is if it's on a singular platform.

That's the very reason I watched Titans recently. To my great surprise I kind of enjoyed it, particularly season 2. (I will never unsee Starfires wig in season 1, but I am glad they gave her normal hair in season 2) I'd have never seen it if I had to subscribe to a DC service.

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There's not really any way for one provider to just put them all on one service without going through the parent companies. So there's basically only a couple ways for that to happen

1) One company (likely Disney) just starts buying up the others and putting that content on their service.
2) the Companies get together and combine all their subscription services into one mega service.

Disney: WRITE THAT DOWN!

[Zuben]

To see Arrowverse shows in the right order I've had to keep both Netflix (Arrow, Flash, Legends) and HBO Nordic (Supergirl, Batwoman) subs active, which is a lot pricier than just HBO Nordic alone, not to mention annoying to keep switching apps between episodes. The shows seem to be accumulating too so it'd nice if they're all viewable on a single service.

Also, I shuffle between streaming services based on what I want to see, so exclusives are no big deal to me provided the service itself isn't crap. Right now I have Prime Video, which unfortunately is crap, since there seems to be lag between audio and video no matter which device I watch it on.