Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

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https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...l-minimum-wage

It will raise prices for those who can afford it the least. Big businesses and high-end restaurants often support higher minimum wages. That may seem odd at first, but it makes sense when you consider their competitive environment. Big corporate firms can more easily absorb these mandated costs and can invest in new technologies that make them less dependent on human labor. The same cannot be said of the small businesses competing with these firms, so big businesses ultimately can benefit when governments raise costs.

If you want to implement it now it will likely kill of most small businessownerbecause they are strugling with covid. You must ask yourself why the americans are not in a better position to demand higher wages. The answer is simple: you are not in a good position in the slightest

https://twitter.com/JarrettSkorup/st...71522686070784

This fuck? The one unironically arguing that "entry level" jobs should pay sub-poverty wages that one can't live on?

https://twitter.com/David_Boaz/statu...21441791889413

Fighting against the $15 wage because...Amazon supports it?

https://twitter.com/JarrettSkorup/st...52630650187778

Thinks that trying to open safely is bad because lighting yourself on fire is always fatal?

https://twitter.com/JarrettSkorup/st...03423862284293

Terrified of redistributing wealth from people who shop at fast food to people who work there?

https://twitter.com/JarrettSkorup/st...18291713347585

Thinks that growing solar jobs mean that the industry is "inefficient"?

https://twitter.com/JarrettSkorup/st...74133741957120

Apparently thinks, again, that entry level/beginner jobs should not pay a living wage and are just fine paying sub-poverty wages where taxpayers pick up the difference?

No wonder you like this cat.

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This fuck? The one unironically arguing that "entry level" jobs should pay sub-poverty wages that one can't live on?

Apparently thinks, again, that entry level/beginner jobs should not pay a living wage and are just fine paying sub-poverty wages where taxpayers pick up the difference?

Just wanted to point out, regarding these two in particular, that anyone opposing a minimum living wage is a person with whom most people do not have a political difference with.

We have a moral difference.

They see seek to encourage and support the continuation of human suffering. Their viewpoint is sadism and personal greed, and has no political merit whatsoever. Frankly, we shouldn't even entertain them as serious individuals.

[Edge-]

Just wanted to point out, regarding these two in particular, that anyone opposing a minimum living wage is a person with whom most people do not have a political difference with.

We have a moral difference.

They see seek to encourage and support the continuation of human suffering. Their viewpoint is sadism and personal greed, and has no political merit whatsoever. Frankly, we shouldn't even entertain them as serious individuals.

Like, it's weird to me. I've worked minimum wage and entry level gigs, quite a few. I'd argue that every single one deserves more than what I was paid, and would not be sad if prices went up a bit to make sure that new folks entering those jobs can pay bills.

I ain't lookin at the janitor and saying, "Yeah, he deserves to get sub-poverty wages. Fuck that loser, get a real job." because not only was I janitor for many years (either full time or part time) and not only does my aunt run a small janitorial business where she already pays $15+ to her employees, but I'm not an amoral fuck that is perfectly fine to allow others to suffer financially so I can save 10 cents on my next transaction.

It's a morally and intellectually bankrupt idea.

[Felya]

Like, it's weird to me. I've worked minimum wage and entry level gigs, quite a few. I'd argue that every single one deserves more than what I was paid, and would not be sad if prices went up a bit to make sure that new folks entering those jobs can pay bills.

I have not worked a minimum wage since I was 14, when I became a Sunday school counselor at 9 bucks per hour... I don’t understand how a business that cannot afford to pay their employees a living wage, is not considered a failure.

[Egomaniac]

Just wanted to point out, regarding these two in particular, that anyone opposing a minimum living wage is a person with whom most people do not have a political difference with.

We have a moral difference.

They see seek to encourage and support the continuation of human suffering. Their viewpoint is sadism and personal greed, and has no political merit whatsoever. Frankly, we shouldn't even entertain them as serious individuals.

And they do so by creating strawmen and misdirection

If you say you want to increase minimum wage...they say you want to destroy small businesses.

They try to focus the argument on why X shouldn't be making as much as Y rather than having both X and Y ask why Z makes so much more than either of them

[Milchshake]

With the proposed increase in minimum wage, expanded protections for processing workers.... it's like one party does care about workers.


Anyone that follows labor rights and organization should like this news:
Biden just fired all 10 of Trump’s appointees on the Federal Service Impasses Panel. Trump had stacked the panel with anti-labor activists who rewrote union contracts to undermine collective bargaining and strip protections from workers. Now all his holdovers are gone.



Biden, shaping up to be the most progressive administration since FDR ever.

[jonnysensible]

when the kids getting out the cages? i see ice are still gooning. Do they have to wait for the new DHS person to get in?

[DKjaigen]

The USA is a largely capitalist nation.

The government is obviously going to be interested in the concerns of capitalists.

That's sort of the core of the entire economic system.

Are you coming out as a left-wing socialist? Or do you, again, not have any clue what you're talking about?

its not a largely capitalist nation it IS a capitalist nation. What is different between america and europe is that we are a social democracy and america is not. And america never will be with these fine leftwing specimens on this forum. The democrats use high minded ideals instead of rationality. and raising the minimal wage to 15 dollars is such an high minded ideal that ultimately will accomplish nothing and will cause severe damage to the working class. If you want to get through this covid shitstorm then you to increase taxes on the rich and reduce taxes to the low and middle class.
And subsidize these classes if necessary but do not ad additional problems for bussines owners that are struggling to survive. But who am i kidding . America´s school system is corrupt , its industrial base is dying and they care more about woke agenda then actually getting things done. its only a matter of time untill its reduced to second world country.

[Machismo]

when the kids getting out the cages? i see ice are still gooning. Do they have to wait for the new DHS person to get in?

The Trump administration tried to screw them on the last day.

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its not a largely capitalist nation it IS a capitalist nation. What is different between america and europe is that we are a social democracy and america is not. And america never will be with these fine leftwing specimens on this forum. The democrats use high minded ideals instead of rationality. and raising the minimal wage to 15 dollars is such an high minded ideal that ultimately will accomplish nothing and will cause severe damage to the working class. If you want to get through this covid shitstorm then you to increase taxes on the rich and reduce taxes to the low and middle class.
And subsidize these classes if necessary but do not ad additional problems for bussines owners that are struggling to survive. But who am i kidding . America´s school system is corrupt , its industrial base is dying and they care more about woke agenda then actually getting things done. its only a matter of time untill its reduced to second world country.

It's the Democrats' fault that they aren't socialist enough?

is that your final answer?

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its not a largely capitalist nation it IS a capitalist nation.

Which makes your position even less defensible.

What is different between america and europe is that we are a social democracy and america is not. And america never will be with these fine leftwing specimens on this forum

"You'll never get more left-wing, because of all these left-wingers!"

You're being spectacularly ridiculous.

[quote]the democrats use high minded ideals instead of rationality. ]quote]

That's just a hard, baseless lie. Empty slander, and that's being generous.

and raising the minimal wage to 15 dollars is such an high minded ideal that ultimately will accomplish nothing and will cause severe damage to the working class.

"Paying the working class more is so much worse for them than paying them half as much!"

Again, just internally contradictory on a bafflingly obvious level. You haven't thought any of this through.

Also, the idea of paying workers a basic living wage is not a "high minded ideal". It's pretty elementary.

If you want to get through this covid shitstorm then you to increase taxes on the rich and reduce taxes to the low and middle class.

Which . . . Biden's also talking about doing.

You do know that a government can push more than one policy point at a time, right? This isn't a case where you have to choose.

And subsidize these classes if necessary

You're literally arguing against that.

Contradicting yourself in your own post is pretty special. But underscores that you don't know what you're talking about.

but do not ad additional problems for bussines owners that are struggling to survive.

Doesn't happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/20/mini...ss-survey.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...m-wage/617861/
https://sudburyworkerscentre.ca/wp-c..._wage_file.pdf

This is an empty argument, always based on prophetic claims that don't hold up to actual scrutiny or the tides of history. Same as claims that laws banning child labor would lead to economic collapse. Or that ending slavery would do so. And so on. It's just empty rhetoric thrown at the argument, based on nothing, to try and forestall meaningful change that will improve conditions for the working class.

But who am i kidding . America´s school system is corrupt , its industrial base is dying and they care more about woke agenda then actually getting things done. its only a matter of time untill its reduced to second world country.

Oh, "woke agenda", I'm getting a bingo.

The only people who complain about any "woke agenda" are prejudiced people who are angry they can't victimize and abuse those they hate without societal backlash any more.

[postman1782]

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...l-minimum-wage

It will raise prices for those who can afford it the least. Big businesses and high-end restaurants often support higher minimum wages. That may seem odd at first, but it makes sense when you consider their competitive environment. Big corporate firms can more easily absorb these mandated costs and can invest in new technologies that make them less dependent on human labor. The same cannot be said of the small businesses competing with these firms, so big businesses ultimately can benefit when governments raise costs.

If you want to implement it now it will likely kill of most small businessownerbecause they are strugling with covid. You must ask yourself why the americans are not in a better position to demand higher wages. The answer is simple: you are not in a good position in the slightest

Holy shit that opinion contributor is retarded.

[Felya]

Since someone brought up Amazon... their headquarters are in Seattle... where minimum wage is a salacious 16.69$... giggady?

[the game]

With the proposed increase in minimum wage, expanded protections for processing workers.... it's like one party does care about workers.


Anyone that follows labor rights and organization should like this news:
Biden just fired all 10 of Trump’s appointees on the Federal Service Impasses Panel. Trump had stacked the panel with anti-labor activists who rewrote union contracts to undermine collective bargaining and strip protections from workers. Now all his holdovers are gone.



Biden, shaping up to be the most progressive administration since FDR ever.

Yeah they care so much. Which is why biden cared 10,000 jobs away when he canceled the keystone pipeline. The most pro union president killed 8000 union jobs with an executive order.

[beanman12345]

Yeah they care so much. Which is why biden cared 10,000 jobs away when he canceled the keystone pipeline. The most pro union president killed 8000 union jobs with an executive order.

8000 jobs from a union that endorsed and support him, knowing full well he was RUNNING on ending the keystone pipeline. btw they still endorse and support him. My sig says it all.

[s_bushido]

If you say you want to increase minimum wage...they say you want to destroy small businesses.

I think my favorite argument against minimum wage is when some ancient motherfucker says he made a like a buck-fifty an hour back as a kid in ye olden times, and how increasing the minimum wage will mean that young people will have no jobs like that anymore... Completely ignoring the fact that those jobs still exist and do, in fact, pay more than a buck-fifty an hour today (the relative value of that wage due to inflation notwithstanding).

[Egomaniac]

I think my favorite argument against minimum wage is when some ancient motherfucker says he made a like a buck-fifty an hour back as a kid in ye olden times, and how increasing the minimum wage will mean that young people will have no jobs like that anymore... Completely ignoring the fact that those jobs still exist and do, in fact, pay more than a buck-fifty an hour today (the relative value of that wage due to inflation notwithstanding).

Yeah thats a good one.

It has that lovely combination of willful ignorance and the whole "if you get paid more today than it isn't fair to the people before you that got paid less" mentality.

[JohnBrown1917]

Yeah they care so much. Which is why biden cared 10,000 jobs away when he canceled the keystone pipeline. The most pro union president killed 8000 union jobs with an executive order.

temp jobs you mean?

I don't think you know how this works.

[postman1782]

Yeah they care so much. Which is why biden cared 10,000 jobs away when he canceled the keystone pipeline. The most pro union president killed 8000 union jobs with an executive order.

And yet, you have never said one fucking word about 30-50 million jobs lost, in a couple months, because Trump literally NEVER HAD A FUCKING VIRUS PLAN. If we would have had LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE in that position of president, they would have literally done ANYTHING other than sit on his small chubby fucking hands while he watches and whines on Fox fucking News.

Trump is literally the worst fucking president by every metric, and you are whining about shitty oil from another fucking country, and pipeline jobs that would have literally only lasted a couple of months, and then they would have been unemployed again.

[DKjaigen]

Since someone brought up Amazon... their headquarters are in Seattle... where minimum wage is a salacious 16.69$... giggady?

Do you think that the amazon HQ has many people working on minimal wage? Hell no! this is place for the office staff , web designers and managers. Of course they do not give a fuck where they are located.

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temp jobs you mean?

I don't think you know how this works.

And what about the refineries that will not be processing this oil? thats a lot of wasted well paying jobs.

[postman1782]

Do you think that the amazon HQ has many people working on minimal wage? Hell no! this is place for the office staff , web designers and managers. Of course they do not give a fuck where they are located.

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And what about the refineries that will not be processing this oil? thats a lot of wasted well paying jobs.

Considering how much oil they are sitting on, and how many pipes go to those refineries, guaranteed they aren't effected by the pipeline being stopped.