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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    You didn’t offer me the place and you also mistake the something like that costs money to establish as well but all of that is beside the point.

    And the fact that you can’t name as option is something you need to figure out on why you are wrong, your options aren’t my options or countless others.

    As for me being utterly unemployable. Was a high school graduate with 2 years of college and no criminal record. Didn’t graduate college because I ran out of cash trying to go to school while trying to support myself at the time.

    After that job, was virtually impossible because the employers around here didn’t want someone who was going to finish school and go to something better while the higher stuff didn’t want to give anyone a chance until after college was covered and saw on the job training as almost a sin.

    But love how you tried to insult me to dodge the acknowledgment of the situation me and countless others have been in before to avoid accepting that your “choice” wasn’t really a choice.

    Also love how you completely ignore all the already proven abuses of such a system in our own history and why the practice was abolished to begin with.

    Edit: also this was a while back when I was younger and we were still hurting really bad from the economic collapse for me. But doesn’t change the fact that that reality is true for countless other people and their choices aren’t choices and doesn’t change the abuses the system you support is already proven to lead to.
    Jesus, you want everything for free...

    You said you were not employable. That's a "you" problem, not mine.

    It's your argument, you said you couldn't get a job. Odd, because you don't seem completely unemployable. Maybe you're just lazy. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    I'm not the one living in a bubble.
    Enjoy your "NUH UH!!!"

    meanwhile, i support your freedom to start up that socialist utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And inconsistently. Sometimes in reference to the anarcho-capitalist Voluntaryism movement, and sometimes in terms of personal agency, even when the latter doesn't even apply.
    You can also have voluntary socialism, give it a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You can also have voluntary socialism, give it a shot.
    You erroneously presume that voluntaryism is an enticing viewpoint to the rest of us.

    It isn't.

    The absence of rule of law is a shockingly ridiculous tenet that beggars the idea of a functional society in the first place.


  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You erroneously presume that voluntaryism is an enticing viewpoint to the rest of us.

    It isn't.

    The absence of rule of law is a shockingly ridiculous tenet that beggars the idea of a functional society in the first place.
    The good thing about his, is that you can also choose to not partake.

    That's the best part, you are not obligated to be a part of it. Man, problem solved.

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Jesus, you want everything for free...

    You said you were not employable. That's a "you" problem, not mine.

    It's your argument, you said you couldn't get a job. Odd, because you don't seem completely unemployable. Maybe you're just lazy. Who knows.
    Nope, more excuses on your part. Before the 3 years I was unemployed I had started a business with a friend of mine where I worked 60 hour weeks and even had the local Best Buy sending us the stuff they couldn’t fix but we eventually went under and I left town for work and got a job where English was the second language who turned around and fired me and about 11 other people because the machine we were on kept jamming and rather than think it might be breaking since it was 46 years old, they decided we were just trying to jam it for breaks. Got rid of us and the following week it broke down for good but we were already gone by then and I spent months living off 1
    Meal every 3 days just trying to hold on while job hunting before I was forced to “choose” to come back around where I was before otherwise I could “choose” to be homeless or invest in a drug trade as cocaine was very popular around there but I am against that stuff and so decided not to be a hypocrite and criminal.


    Now, stop making excuses to deny the flaws in your logic and just accept reality isn’t what you want it to be.

    And for Christ sake,LOOK AT AMERICAS OWN HISTORY WITH COMPANY TOWNS.

    Edit: AFK and off to bed.

    At this point I can’t help but wonder if you are a stage act like Orlong. How else could you really be this dense and unwilling to look at any of the history that shows the issues.
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  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Nope, more excuses on your part. Before the 3 years I was unemployed I had started a business with a friend of mine where I worked 60 hour weeks and even had the local Best Buy sending us the stuff they couldn’t fix but we eventually went under and I left town for work and got a job where English was the second language who turned around and fired me and about 11 other people because the machine we were on kept jamming and rather than think it might be breaking since it was 46 years old, they decided we were just trying to jam it for breaks. Got rid of us and the following week it broke down for good but we were already gone by then and I spent months living off 1
    Meal every 3 days just trying to hold on while job hunting before I was forced to “choose” to come back around where I was before otherwise I could “choose” to be homeless or invest in a drug trade as cocaine was very popular around there but I am against that stuff and so decided not to be a hypocrite and criminal.


    Now, stop making excuses to deny the flaws in your logic and just accept reality isn’t what you want it to be.

    And for Christ sake,LOOK AT AMERICAS OWN HISTORY WITH COMPANY TOWNS.
    Ummm, these are your excuses. You are saying you were unemployable.

    How the fuck is that my fault?

  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Ummm, these are your excuses. You are saying you were unemployable.

    How the fuck is that my fault?
    Quit side stepping the point. Fine, I was unemployable if you want to call it that.

    What was my alternative that didn’t involve crime, welfare, or homeless?

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    I am off to bed, please hammer this point home for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Enjoy your "NUH UH!!!"

    meanwhile, i support your freedom to start up that socialist utopia.
    Making shit up again?

    If you want to know I prefer a mostly capitalist country with social programs to help those in need. Nor do I think it would be a "utopia". Unlike you I live in reality not bubbles.
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  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Quit side stepping the point. Fine, I was unemployable if you want to call it that.

    What was my alternative that didn’t involve crime, welfare, or homeless?
    It sounds like you were feeling sorry for yourself, and didn't think to actually loo for a different career. Of course, a part of me thinks you are simply lying... just like people who swear they couldn't possibly save more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Making shit up again?

    If you want to know I prefer a mostly capitalist country with social programs to help those in need. Nor do I think it would be a "utopia". Unlike you I live in reality not bubbles.
    Start whatever kind of utopia you want. I support your freedom to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Start whatever kind of utopia you want. I support your freedom to do it.
    You don't read very well do you? Nor do I have to start anything. America isn't far off as far as that goes. I'll freely elect those I think will move us further in that direction.


    Meanwhile you can move to your libertarian utopia bubble. I'm good
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  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It sounds like you were feeling sorry for yourself, and didn't think to actually loo for a different career. Of course, a part of me thinks you are simply lying... just like people who swear they couldn't possibly save more money.
    Again, nope. Not lying. And I had applied for the local Walmart distribution for them to tell me my college made me unhirable when I met them off the clock. Applied for multiple jobs at the local hospital, had applied for a helper for a heating and air and multiple other jobs but when these places are flooded with applicants it makes things harder and less likely any particular person gets it unless they have previous qualifications you can’t get without first having the job previously.

    Now quit making excuses to deny facts just because reality isn’t what you want.
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  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    You don't read very well do you? Nor do I have to start anything. America isn't far off as far as that goes. I'll freely elect those I think will move us further in that direction.


    Meanwhile you can move to your libertarian utopia bubble. I'm good
    Fine, start whatever type of government you want, I support you. Luckily, others wouldn't be obligated to participate, if they don't want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Again, nope. Not lying. And I had applied for the local Walmart distribution for them to tell me my college made me unhirable when I met them off the clock. Applied for multiple jobs at the local hospital, had applied for a helper for a heating and air and multiple other jobs but when these places are flooded with applicants it makes things harder and less likely any particular person gets it unless they have previous qualifications you can’t get without first having the job previously.

    Now quit making excuses to deny facts just because reality isn’t what you want.
    You could have left to find work elsewhere.

    I love that you're pissed at me, because you couldn't get a fucking job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You can also have voluntary socialism, give it a shot.
    Exactly yeah, I would say that every libertarian and right-of-center person that I personally know is a voluntary socialist. They help other people and families other than their own, above and beyond what they pay in taxes. For left-minded people I think "voluntary socialism" might come off as more of an oxymoron.
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  13. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Exactly yeah, I would say that every libertarian and right-of-center person I personally know is a voluntary socialist. They help other people and families other their own, above and beyond what they pay in taxes. For left-minded people I think "voluntary socialism" might come off as more of an oxymoron.
    No, it's not about that, they can form whatever government they like, as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Fine, start whatever type of government you want, I support you. Luckily, others wouldn't be obligated to participate, if they don't want to.
    Unless you were born there right? But being born in a libertarian utopia negates that and is still somehow a choice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Unless you were born there right? But being born in a libertarian utopia negates that and is still somehow a choice....
    Like I said, it's not perfect, but it is still one step closer.

    You really should try reading what I say. I guess you're too busy pushing emojis, to actually comprehend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Like I said, it's not perfect, but it is still one step closer.

    You really should try reading what I say. I guess you're too busy pushing emojis, to actually comprehend.
    What options would a person born in your utopia have that a person born in the US doesn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    What options would a person born in your utopia have that a person born in the US doesn't?
    Depends on the government. Try and keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Depends on the government. Try and keep up.
    It's your dream government. I think you're the one behind currently.
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  19. #339
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    It's your dream government. I think you're the one behind currently.
    My dream government is centuries away, at best.

    This is why I support this first step. Let's take it step by step. This allows people to choose to participate, which is a great step.

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    argueing so damn hard about your ideals, and the only one in agreement is a nazi sympathizer. big yikes.

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