So .. Why are the souls still going to the Maw

[BananaHandsB]

The Kyrians don't really have free will. Or at least they don't act on it. They do as they are "programmed". To their credit, there could be even worse consequences of placing a soul in the wrong realm, as opposed to the maw.

[Kikazz]

I think part of it is there job regardless of what is happening. Kleia comments on it during the line and says she wish she could do something I believe.

The other thing is if they didn't ferry the souls over to the Shadowlands then essentially no one would die which would disrupt things even further. So probably one of those "which is the lesser of evils" type things where it's either "Ferry the souls to Shadowlands for judgement which leads to going to Maw automatically" or "Let people never die causing massive amounts of problems in each world/realm". It'd be like saying what if Gul'dan was never able to die since Kyrian wouldn't be ferrying them over. The amount of chaos that would keep ensuing would probably be worse since the amount of destruction he could cause.

Wrong, people would still die, and in the kyrian covenant campaign you go to collect the souls of the dead, sitting at graveyards, one of the very first souls you collect is from a dead farmer who protected his family from the Undead.

[Palapop]

Nah...
It was said in that quest where we have to ferry the soul of fallen NPC in Redridge (during the Scourge invasion)

We DID take his soul, and we DO take him in front of the arbiter, but he instantly got sucked into the Maw.
Not a single Kyrian was aware of that because they never saw what happens to the soul once they drop it off at the Arbiter.

At least that's how I saw it.

[McNeil]

It makes as much sense as when Devos joined the Jailor when she disagreed with the Archon.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

They can't just start saying where each soul would go and hoarding them in one afterlife would eventually be a problem.

[Ealyssa]

They don't have to.

They actually do

They choose to willingly toss souls into the Maw.

They actually don't have a choice in the matter, the kyrian campain very clearly point at that.

At that point deniers are either stupid or trolling.

It makes as much sense as when Devos joined the Jailor when she disagreed with the Archon.

That on the other side is one of the most stupid part of SL story.

[nonameelf]

They actually do


They actually don't have a choice in the matter, the kyrian campain very clearly point at that.

At that point deniers are either stupid or trolling.

We know they don't have to take the souls to the Arbiter because we saw Uther take Arthas straight to the Maw, bypassing the Arbiter.

[cparle87]

We know they don't have to take the souls to the Arbiter because we saw Uther take Arthas straight to the Maw, bypassing the Arbiter.

And considering that's what started this entire shitshow in the first place I'm sure the other kyrians are oh so excited to try it again. That's the reason they go through the whole centuries-long purging of who they were when alive. So they don't have any biases that let them think they should have the right to do that.

[nonameelf]

And considering that's what started this entire shitshow in the first place I'm sure the other kyrians are oh so excited to try it again. That's the reason they go through the whole centuries-long purging of who they were when alive. So they don't have any biases that let them think they should have the right to do that.

No it's not. The Arbiter got fucked much later than that. Arthas got tossed in the Maw after Wrath, Arbiter broke down during Legion.

[Ophenia]

We know they don't have to take the souls to the Arbiter because we saw Uther take Arthas straight to the Maw, bypassing the Arbiter.

But they neither have the will nor the capacity to judge souls

Their role is to ferry souls before the Arbiter for it to judge them. They're messengers. Just as postal workers, if you moved from your house to another town, they won't look for you to deliver your parcels, they'll just put it where they're told to, even if it piles up.

About why don't they stop ? Because that's what they're supposed to do. The judgement thing is the next step. And for all we know, we have no idea what would be the impact of leaving all souls wandering in their home world.

[nonameelf]

But they neither have the will nor the capacity to judge souls

Their role is to ferry souls before the Arbiter for it to judge them. They're messengers. Just as postal workers, if you moved from your house to another town, they won't look for you to deliver your parcels, they'll just put it where they're told to, even if it piles up.

About why don't they stop ? Because that's what they're supposed to do. The judgement thing is the next step. And for all we know, we have no idea what would be the impact of leaving all souls wandering in their home world.

Right, so at best they're mindless robots and at worst they're deliberately evil. Either way I hope we get to wipe them out before Shadowlands is over.

[Jaggler]

Right, so at best they're mindless robots and at worst they're deliberately evil. Either way I hope we get to wipe them out before Shadowlands is over.

That's why basically half the Kyrian campaign is "oh we fucked up, our old ways don't work anymore and we need to reform".

[Dwarni]

A lot of the story is illogical and this is one part of it...

Now all the people can just travel through the portal through oribus and back to other afterlives, why not just dump the soul in the section with all the portals and let it decide where to go.

Also "nothing escapes the maw" is proven wrong multiple times. Mawsworn can. Also some of the NPC we rescue in Torghast just teleport themselves out, logic?

Unfortunately, the quality of WoW story writing really declined over the years. I wonder how this whole jailor plot will go and if it all will make sense, but I doubt it. Same with Sylvanas, how do they want to explain why she killed so many night elves and burned down the tree, to break the system? Really?

[Jaggler]

A lot of the story is illogical and this is one part of it...

Now all the people can just travel through the portal through oribus and back to other afterlives, why not just dump the soul in the section with all the portals and let it decide where to go.

Also "nothing escapes the maw" is proven wrong multiple times. Mawsworn can. Also some of the NPC we rescue in Torghast just teleport themselves out, logic?

Unfortunately, the quality of WoW story writing really declined over the years. I wonder how this whole jailor plot will go and if it all will make sense, but I doubt it. Same with Sylvanas, how do they want to explain why she killed so many night elves and burned down the tree, to break the system? Really?

Mawsworn can, because they retain their plane-transversing Kyrian abilities. Maw Walkers are obviously special cases. The NPCs that leave the maw do so through our connection with the waystone.

[Dwarni]

Mawsworn can, because they retain their plane-transversing Kyrian abilities. Maw Walkers are obviously special cases. The NPCs that leave the maw do so through our connection with the waystone.

The only problem is the npcs we rescue (I don't mean the faction leaders) but the random kyrian, night fae etc. just disappear directly in torghast so they don't have to follow us out to the waystone. That is highly illogical.

[Ophenia]

The only problem is the npcs we rescue (I don't mean the faction leaders) but the random kyrian, night fae etc. just disappear directly in torghast so they don't have to follow us out to the waystone. That is highly illogical.

I'd consider that gameplay issue more than lore issues

[Vladier]

Because you need the most selfless, purest souls in the entire multiverse to staff what amounts basically to an automated ferry service. 500 IQ move there by the writers

Considering that in many mythologies the role of a psychopomp belongs to divine beings or at least their servants, is it really that stupid, or just faithful to the human thought process that gives reverence to the role of ferrying souls to the afterlife?

[Verdugo]

Considering that in many mythologies the role of a psychopomp belongs to divine beings or at least their servants, is it really that stupid, or just faithful to the human thought process that gives reverence to the role of ferrying souls to the afterlife?

Why use "moraly pure" souls then, just make some soulless automatons and nothing will change. Waste of a good soul if you ask me.

[Ophenia]

Why use "moraly pure" souls then, just make some soulless automatons and nothing will change. Waste of a good soul if you ask me.

"Morally pure" souls will theoretically not fail doing their job - which is basically shown here, they're still doing their job despite the system not working anymore. "Soulless automatons" may fail (as the Arbiter for example) or be hijacked.

I guess it's also question of morale, a morally pure soul is the best suitable soul to accompany the soul of someone who just died. You just don't give that job to an Amazon drone

[Soon-TM]

"Morally pure" souls will theoretically not fail doing their job - which is basically shown here, they're still doing their job despite the system not working anymore. "Soulless automatons" may fail (as the Arbiter for example) or be hijacked.

I guess it's also question of morale, a morally pure soul is the best suitable soul to accompany the soul of someone who just died. You just don't give that job to an Amazon drone.

Maybe they can comfort you and pat your back during the trip through the veil, but they will chuck you into the Maw nevertheless, like the little good brainwashed drones they are.