Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Some see the 1400 as end, to him end of what should have been done and the beginning getting actual help to others.

Who sees it as an end? I don't think I've seen anyone say that >.>

[Flower Milk]

Just saying but like...I'm pretty sure the numbers on that graph that the random posted are like...not accurate. It seems that the person just took the US population and the rough amount that earn between 50-75K and did the math on that.

Which is like...not remotely accurate as it doesn't count for children/retirees, it doesn't differentiate between single vs. joint income, and per the persons own qualifiers doesn't include newly eligible people such as adult dependents and undocumented immigrants.

Also that's a shitty graph.

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I've never said we didn't need to get stimulus out and quickly? And my comments were more directed at the people here who can't stop posting about their $2K stimmy checks and trying to weaponize teachers and nurses.

And I agree. I just wish the people complaining about it all came a bit more informed about how the government actually works and were paying attention to politics beyond voting for the dude that promised a $2K check.

Have you at all considered that people are maybe suffering and "can't stop posting about stimmy checks" because they desperately need help? I'm not even one of those people, but I qualify for the stimulus, and I know plenty of people above the $50k threshold who are suffering way worse than I am that won't get that $1400 under this new proposal and it's absolutely ridiculous that it's even being proposed.

[beanman12345]

Ayup, and a long time before that as well. Guess all of that time spent "literally getting their head bashed in on the streets" as they liked to say took its toll. If everyone would quit quoting their nonsense I'd never have to see it again.

almost a dozen moves back and forth between the states in a couple month, wondering if they are still in a perpetuate state of moving, oh actually no i don't give a fuck, i got that lying greedy thing on ignore too.

[PACOX]

Who sees it as an end? I don't think I've seen anyone say that >.>

Eh I beg to differ.

[Edge-]

Eh I beg to differ.

Name names, dog. Let's light 'em up, I'm ready to call some offices and ask why the fuck the guy/gal they work for is literally retarded.

[Flower Milk]

Name names, dog. Let's light 'em up, I'm ready to call some offices and ask why the fuck the guy/gal they work for is literally retarded.

Start by calling the 9 Democratic Senators who are proposing narrowing the stimulus payments, because I guarantee you they are literally suicide bombing the Democrat's midterm chances if that shit goes through. Do not let it. One of them is Feinstein and I'm calling her dinosaur ass up to complain as she is unfortunately my Senator.

[Edge-]

Start by calling the 9 Democratic Senators who are proposing narrowing the stimulus payments, because I guarantee you they are literally suicide bombing the Democrat's midterm chances if that shit goes through. Do not let it. One of them is Feinstein and I'm calling her dinosaur ass up to complain as she is unfortunately my Senator.

I've already written to Manchin's office.

Also, jesus christ on a fucking stick dude, your love of hyperbole is insane. Less than a month into the new administration/Congress and 2022 chances are already dead?

And I guess it's yet another phone call to Feinstein's office to remind them that I'll be voting for whoever has a pulse and isn't a violent racist over her in the next primary and asking them when the fuck she's gonna retire, because she's not playing with a full deck no more.

[Flower Milk]

I've already written to Manchin's office.

Also, jesus christ on a fucking stick dude, your love of hyperbole is insane. Less than a month into the new administration/Congress and 2022 chances are already dead?

And I guess it's yet another phone call to Feinstein's office to remind them that I'll be voting for whoever has a pulse and isn't a violent racist over her in the next primary and asking them when the fuck she's gonna retire, because she's not playing with a full deck no more.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I am really fucking anxious about the threat of fascism, and Democrats legit in my view have 2 years to make sure that doesn't happen. My birthday is January 6th and I will forever share that day with the time some fascists stormed the Capitol building and tried to overthrow the government. The Nazis failed the first time they tried to overthrow the government, too, but the Weimar Republic liberals absolutely failed in every way to overcome the economic crisis they were facing and that is undeniably what led to the Nazi Party gaining support and power.

You can call me crazy and paranoid all you want, but after the last 4 years and the shit we are seeing come out of the Republican Party now, I just don't see how this is not the reality we are currently facing.

[shimerra]

Cool, then you agree that we need to be getting out stimulus money immediately to people then? Unlike what you said, which is implying that people are just being greedy and want their "stimmy checks".

The government helping people during an economic crisis and global pandemic is good, actually.

Most of those people who are in those lines would be well under the income levels to still get their checks. Statistically speaking. And even if their income for the year did manage to disqualify them they'd be caught by the enhanced unemployment benefits and funding. Can you at least try and have a modicum of intellectual honesty or apply some critical thinking before knee jerk whining? Let's not even pretend there's not a lot of people who just want a nice pay day and don't need the check at all.


I know plenty of people, like myself, who definitely didn't need the checks but still got them. I'm working full time and while I would love a job that pays more I can comfortably sustain me and my gf who was unemployed the last few months. And because of work from home many of my expenses actually went down. I eat out less and I pay less for my car. I'm by zero means wealthy or a high earner currently, but I'm able to meet my needs. I'm 100% fine with a means testing or job testing even if it means folks like myself don't get free money if it means longer benefits/more support for those who are out of a job. About the only coherent point I could say you're making is an additional factor that accounts for cost of living in your area would be ideal.

Blanket checks were only ever done for one reason: speed. It was simply much quicker and easier to get them out to the people who needed them when this started to not worry about means testing. Now we've got it figured out a bit more.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I am really fucking anxious about the threat of fascism, and Democrats legit in my view have 2 years to make sure that doesn't happen. My birthday is January 6th and I will forever share that day with the time some fascists stormed the Capitol building and tried to overthrow the government. The Nazis failed the first time they tried to overthrow the government, too, but the Weimar Republic liberals absolutely failed in every way to overcome the economic crisis they were facing and that is undeniably what led to the Nazi Party gaining support and power.

You can call me crazy and paranoid all you want, but after the last 4 years and the shit we are seeing come out of the Republican Party now, I just don't see how this is not the reality we are currently facing.

So anxious you continue to do as you did before: knee jerk outrage to clickbait headlines without looking into the meat of the matter. And the things that threaten facism aren't going to be addressable in only two years unfortunately. It wasn't made overnight. It wont be fixed overnight. And you're doing more to stir that uncertainty than calm it.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...-covid-relief/

Senior House Democrats on Monday night proposed sending full $1,400 stimulus payments to Americans with up to $75,000 in annual income, rejecting an early plan to sharply curtail the benefits.

House Ways and Means Chairman Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.) released legislation that would send the full benefit to singles earning $75,000 pear year and couples earning $150,000 per year. Congressional Democrats had explored curtailing that benefit to $50,000 for individuals and $100,000 for married couples, a position embraced by Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), the most conservative Democrat.

Reminder: The sausage making process isn't as nice as the sausage at the end of the process. This is why I keep tellin folks to enhance their calm and not freak out about every minor development during the sausage making process.

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https://howbidenstoletheelection.com/

Stunning expose on how Biden STOLE THE ELECTION.

[Flower Milk]

So anxious you continue to do as you did before: knee jerk outrage to clickbait headlines without looking into the meat of the matter. And the things that threaten facism aren't going to be addressable in only two years unfortunately. It wasn't made overnight. It wont be fixed overnight. And you're doing more to stir that uncertainty than calm it.

Yes it's me, a rando on MMO Champion who is helping fascism come to the US by being worried about stimulus money not being sent out to enough people, and not people working in the government who fail to meet people's material needs in a global pandemic and economic crisis, just like how previous fascist dictatorships arose throughout the world. You got me, just call me Flower Hitler.

And if you don't think the threat of fascism can be addressed in 2 years, then we're already doomed. I am least trying to be hopeful that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats can maybe provide enough relief to people that there's a small glimmer of hope we can stave off fascism. I am genuinely trying to not be a doomer, I'm a socialist so I'm the first one that gets clapped under fascism.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...-covid-relief/



Reminder: The sausage making process isn't as nice as the sausage at the end of the process. This is why I keep tellin folks to enhance their calm and not freak out about every minor development during the sausage making process.

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https://howbidenstoletheelection.com/

Stunning expose on how Biden STOLE THE ELECTION.

Yeah that's the House, that's unfortunately not the problem. It's those pesky 9 Democratic Senators that are proposing narrowing the income thresholds.

The White House has said it is willing to compromise on the thresholds, with Psaki repeatedly saying the administration is open to negotiations with Congress on the matter. On Sunday, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen suggested that the administration was not on board with Democrats’ plans for lower income thresholds.

“The exact details of how it should be targeted are to be determined, but struggling middle-class families need help, too,” Yellen said on CNN. Asked whether she supports a phaseout higher than $50,000 per person, but not necessarily as high as $75,000, Yellen responded: “Yes, I — I think the details can be worked out. And the president is certainly willing to work with Congress to find a good structure for these payments.”

Biden gave similar remarks in an interview with CBS Evening News, saying he was “wide open" on the precise levels of the income threshold.

The White House being open to compromise worries me, but Janet Yellen saying fuck off makes me more hopeful.

[Edge-]

The White House being open to compromise worries me, but Janet Yellen saying fuck off makes me more hopeful.

It's always going to be open on compromise, so you'll always be worried. It's kinda a silly position to take.

[beanman12345]

It's always going to be open on compromise, so you'll always be worried. It's kinda a silly position to take.

Well concern trolling or any trolling is always silly, as there are much better ways to entertainment one self imo, even with a pandemic not to mention the cold keeping most of us inside.

[Flower Milk]

And there it is, just like I said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/08/amer...t-changes.html

I guess CNBC is also "concern trolling" now.

[Edge-]

And there it is, just like I said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/08/amer...t-changes.html

I guess CNBC is also "concern trolling" now.

No, they're not. Because they're not the ones worrying about it, they're reporting on the folks that are worrying about it based off information during the sausage making process.

Because people still don't pay attention to that and don't know how it works.

Come on dude. This is just seeing the liberal/moderate wings of the Democratic party hash things out. Keep pushing for and voting in progressives in districts/states where they can win.

[beanman12345]

No, they're not. Because they're not the ones worrying about it, they're reporting on the folks that are worrying about it based off information during the sausage making process.

Because people still don't pay attention to that and don't know how it works.

Come on dude. This is just seeing the liberal/moderate wings of the Democratic party hash things out. Keep pushing for and voting in progressives in districts/states where they can win.

concern trolls like this one, is on record here many times they don't vote.

[Flower Milk]

No, they're not. Because they're not the ones worrying about it, they're reporting on the folks that are worrying about it based off information during the sausage making process.

Because people still don't pay attention to that and don't know how it works.

Come on dude. This is just seeing the liberal/moderate wings of the Democratic party hash things out. Keep pushing for and voting in progressives in districts/states where they can win.

Right, which is totally different to when I talked about how an estimated forty million people would be left out, who are nurses and teachers, and are worried about it. That's concern trolling, but when CNBC does the same, it's not. Cool cool.

If I talk about it, it's just one of those dumb leftist Biden haters, just ignore it.

But if CNBC talks about it? Well that's legitimate.

[Edge-]

Right, which is totally different to when I talked about how an estimated forty million people would be left out, who are mostly nurses and teachers, and are worried about it. That's concern trolling, but when CNBC does the same, it's not. Cool cool.

Not even. The data that person used is so unfiltered it's functionally useless. Also, citation on "most" being nurses and teachers - the first two people referenced in the article are an administration assistant and an IT guy.

And you saying, "THINK ABOUT THE POOR TEACHERS AND NURSES!" isn't reporting anything, that's you weaponizing these professions for your argument. CNBC on the other hand, is talking to actual people who are concerned. That's the assistant, the IT guy, and an adult dependent. I hope these folks all get their checks, and it looks like they will.

This is different than you storming in and OH THOSE EVIL BIDEN AND DEMOCRATS ARE DOING X AND THEY'RE TOTALLY GONNA LOSE THE MIDTERMS!

[Flower Milk]

Not even. The data that person used is so unfiltered it's functionally useless. Also, citation on "most" being nurses and teachers - the first two people referenced in the article are an administration assistant and an IT guy.

And you saying, "THINK ABOUT THE POOR TEACHERS AND NURSES!" isn't reporting anything, that's you weaponizing these professions for your argument. CNBC on the other hand, is talking to actual people who are concerned. That's the assistant, the IT guy, and an adult dependent. I hope these folks all get their checks, and it looks like they will.

This is different than you storming in and OH THOSE EVIL BIDEN AND DEMOCRATS ARE DOING X AND THEY'RE TOTALLY GONNA LOSE THE MIDTERMS!

I will gladly weaponize nurses and teachers for my argument of "don't narrow the income threshold of stimulus payments so middle class people get screwed out of getting them". I don't know why you say that like it's somehow a bad thing lol, like yeah, those professions deserve it and we should be getting on our knees kissing their feet after this pandemic, not dicking them out of getting stimulus money.

[Edge-]

I will gladly weaponize nurses and teachers

Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

You shouldn't do that. I'm pretty sure both professions, which are highly unionized in most places, can speak for themselves.

I don't know why you say that like it's somehow a bad thing lol

The concept isn't. Your method of doing so, replete with, "DEMOCRATS HAVE TOTALLY ALREADY LOST THE 2022 MIDTERMS!" and "WHY HAVEN'T THEY DONE A YEARS WORTH OF LEGISLATION IN LESS THAN ONE MONTH?!" complaints.

That's the thing, we're on the same side of this issue. Democrats shouldn't narrow the limits. I'm just not doomsaying and pearl clutching over it.

like yeah, those professions deserve it and we should be getting on our knees kissing their feet after this pandemic, not dicking them out of getting stimulus money.

They deserve a lot more than that, including a functional federal response to a pandemic to hopefully shorten how long it drags on. And don't forget service workers who are being forced into potentially dangerous conflict management and de-escalation situations on a daily basis because apparently that's fine to add their their job roles at minimum wage.