Raid loot increase

[arkanon]

Is a 33% increase enough for everyone? Is everyone happy now?

No mention of what degree the weapon drops have increased.

Is this enough to stop people feeling forced to do pvp?

[Throwme]

As long as there is a tiny bit of an advantage by doing x activity, people will feel forced to do that instead of whatever other activity they want to do. So no.


But it's a step in the right direction!

[arkanon]

As long as there is a tiny bit of an advantage by doing x activity, people will feel forced to do that instead of whatever other activity they want to do. So no.


But it's a step in the right direction!

I wasn't unhappy with how it was, so I'm not fussed but for those who were u happy, SURELY this will be enough.....right?

[Toybox]

It was needed as the raid droprates were the lowest they'd been since Vanilla. Both this & the VP change have come in a bit too late for anyone progressing the latter mythic bosses, but they'll be huge factors in smoothing out the gearing curve next tier.

It's good changes all the way this week.

[arkanon]

It was needed as the raid droprates were the lowest they'd been since Vanilla. Both this & the VP change have come in a bit too late for anyone progressing the latter mythic bosses, but they'll be huge factors in smoothing out the gearing curve next tier.

It's good changes all the way this week.

Yeah it's definitely going to be far more beneficial in future tiers. Hopefully it helps those who feel stranded or roadblocked by loot drops.

[Critical92]

It's a good step in the right direction. Next thing to do is to make a better loot distribution in the next raid. Imagine you are a warri/rogue/monk and your weapon tokens drop at 2 bosses from the last 4 of a 10 boss raid. The first 3 should drop a basic weapon for everyone and the last 2 should also drop one for every class.
Even better, add a boss that sits in like an armory and that dude only drops weapon tokens.
I got my mythic itemlvl weapon from the vault with 7/10 down, while hunter as an example get theirs from huntsmen. The 2nd boss...

[xero5141]

Is a 33% increase enough for everyone? Is everyone happy now?

No mention of what degree the weapon drops have increased.

Is this enough to stop people feeling forced to do pvp?

No, the drop rate is hardly the issue with raid vs pvp gear.

[arkanon]

No, the drop rate is hardly the issue with raid vs pvp gear.

Well.....it is. If the DR in raid was 100% would you still be saying that?

[xero5141]

Well.....it is. If the DR in raid was 100% would you still be saying that?

Possibly not, but that doesn't mean it's the cause of the issue. For instance, if you made pet battles drop gear that might fix the issue but that doesn't mean not getting gear from pet battles is the problem. The issue is more related to pvp gear (imo). Why is it such high ilvl for instanced content? Why not be pvp specific like it used to be? Being able to go back and farm the whole season's conquest and get a set of 200 ilvl gear is pretty appealing vs the possibility at even 5-10 pieces from raid in a week. Also, the trinkets are essentially stat sticks which is always favorable, and you can pretty much choose your secondaries.

[Pratt]

I imagine the change has been on the calendar since before release.

[Puupi]

Well.....it is. If the DR in raid was 100% would you still be saying that?

PvP gear is BETTER than raid gear, even for many mythic raiders, not to mention heroic raiders.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Now its down to RNG. Do I get it all? If not... FAIL SYSTEM






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[arkanon]

PvP gear is BETTER than raid gear, even for many mythic raiders, not to mention heroic raiders.

Weird, looking at BiS lists, I'm confused by this answer. Could you provide some examples?

[Puupi]

Weird, looking at BiS lists, I'm confused by this answer. Could you provide some examples?

All PVP loot have versatility on them.

Versatility is the best stat for: ALL tanks, ALL monks, (ALL healers in m+), outlaw rogues, resto shamans, fire mages, havoc dh's.....did I forget someone?

The best stat stick trinkets come from PVP.

Then there's the ilvl discrepancy. Heroic raiding gives you a chance for 213 loot. 1800 rating in PVP gives 220 and you can PICK the loot.

[arkanon]

All PVP loot have versatility on them.

Versatility is the best stat for: ALL tanks, ALL monks, (ALL healers in m+), outlaw rogues, resto shamans, fire mages, havoc dh's.....did I forget someone?

The best stat stick trinkets come from PVP.

Then there's the ilvl discrepancy. Heroic raiding gives you a chance for 213 loot. 1800 rating in PVP gives 220 and you can PICK the loot.

So just to be clear, you are not talking BiS right? Heroic raids? Why is your bis list so different to the sims and guides?

[Puupi]

So just to be clear, you are not talking BiS right? Heroic raids? Why is your bis list so different to the sims and guides?

I don't know what BiS lists are you talking about. But the probable explanation is that they aren't including PVP gear in their PVE bis lists.

[arkanon]

I don't know what BiS lists are you talking about. But the probable explanation is that they aren't including PVP gear in their PVE bis lists.

Link one with pvp gear as the base.

[Jester Joe]

Link one with pvp gear as the base.

https://castle-nathria.subcreation.net/

A lot of classes top parses are using PvP trinkets. Pretty easy to glance through there.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/26/

Also a pretty reoccurring theme here for trinkets.

[facefist]

Weird, looking at BiS lists, I'm confused by this answer. Could you provide some examples?

Since you mention Bis lists, did you check that 1) those include pvp loot? 2) the list doesn't say "you should always sim yourself instead of trusting this list" or smth similar? I

There are several bis loots for my dh and mage from pvp.

[pewpmeiser]

All PVP loot have versatility on them.

Versatility is the best stat for: ALL tanks, ALL monks, (ALL healers in m+), outlaw rogues, resto shamans, fire mages, havoc dh's.....did I forget someone?

The best stat stick trinkets come from PVP.

Then there's the ilvl discrepancy. Heroic raiding gives you a chance for 213 loot. 1800 rating in PVP gives 220 and you can PICK the loot.

Vers absolutely is not the best stat for all of those classes and specs. You're only saying that because that's what the "guides" by the self proclaimed gods of the war craft community have fed you.