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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Lei Shen was absurdly strong in the first place, hence why he was able to overpower Ra-den.
    We were overpowering Keepers in WotLK, and there's no lore to indicate Lei Shen was any stronger than other mogu warlords save his catching Ra-den by surprise. I'm not about to argue where he stands in comparison to Garrosh (because characters will ultimately be as strong as Blizzard needs them to be in any situation) but they're both bosses that were upheld by stolen power.

    I otherwise agree with you, though I'm not sure Blizzard does. Even if the bosses themselves are all over the place, they've already come out with their intent to keep escalating each expansion's antagonist.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    I think we'll probably end up going to other planets like in SWTOR in future expansions. There's only soo much you can explore on Azeroth right?
    There's that Nerubian kingdom under Northrend.

  3. #63
    So the world was made by a council of 5 powerful gods. One of them turned evil and depowered the other four, so now you have to something something space laser.
    But actually, the world has many different planes. Each one of them has a pantheon and there is always one evil guy..soo..space laser.
    BUT actually, all the pantheons had an UBERpantheon that made them. Guess what? One of them turned evil! Space laser!

    We will run out of space laser colors, before we will run out of gods to kill. The question is, when will we stop caring, not when can they no longer come up with a new one. See every Fighting Anime ever for examples of this.
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    A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."

  4. #64
    What ever do you mean? They can just create new villains and lore. Thats not really any problem at all.

    A better question would be if they can create new villains, lore and evil gods that are good.

  5. #65
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    Technically speaking in terms of the lore, WoW only has one literal "god/goddess" and that is Elune - a being we haven't rightly even seen as of yet. The rest of the powerful beings and veritable demigods are on a sliding scale of power levels below the god/goddess tier. I would say the Titans and perhaps the newly discovered First Ones are probably at the upper tier of demigodhood, and below them we have beings like the Void Lords, the Eternal Ones, followed in a downward arc by beings like the Naaru, the Old Gods, the Dragon Aspects, the Elemental Lords, etc. etc. Difficult to say who fits exactly where on any given tier, but thus far all the beings we've killed as end-bosses wouldn't be gods in the WoW mythos.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  6. #66
    "God" in fantasy is just a name to something powerful.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Technically speaking in terms of the lore, WoW only has one literal "god/goddess" and that is Elune - a being we haven't rightly even seen as of yet. The rest of the powerful beings and veritable demigods are on a sliding scale of power levels below the god/goddess tier. I would say the Titans and perhaps the newly discovered First Ones are probably at the upper tier of demigodhood, and below them we have beings like the Void Lords, the Eternal Ones, followed in a downward arc by beings like the Naaru, the Old Gods, the Dragon Aspects, the Elemental Lords, etc. etc. Difficult to say who fits exactly where on any given tier, but thus far all the beings we've killed as end-bosses wouldn't be gods in the WoW mythos.
    We did not yet face void lords in full, right? In that sense they might not be fit to be included on the powerlist just yet.
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  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    We're gonna face the Jailer as the last boss of the expansion
    You know, they can create any shape and color of pixels for your skinner box. They wont run ever.

  9. #69
    That's why we didn't kill Denathrius, I assume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loras View Post
    We did not yet face void lords in full, right? In that sense they might not be fit to be included on the powerlist just yet.
    Not yet, but neither have the Void Lords been confirmed to be literal gods either. For now, I would say they likely safely occupy the same tier as the Titans or presumably the First Ones - the apex beings of their given realm in the metacosm (in this case, the Void).
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    once we run out of gods to kill we'll move on to the super gods, and then the ultra super gods, and then the super ultra mega extreme gods.

    just look at the last few years.
    old gods not scary anymore? void lords.
    pantheon/sargeras not scary anymore? pantheon of death/jailer/first ones suddenly appear.

    half expecting we'll end up in the super shadowlands before the expansion is over.
    Can't wait to choose super night fae as my super covenant

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    We're gonna face the Jailer as the last boss of the expansion
    We haven't killed a single God though.
    Things that others have called God's? Sure. But not Gods.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Not yet, but neither have the Void Lords been confirmed to be literal gods either. For now, I would say they likely safely occupy the same tier as the Titans or presumably the First Ones - the apex beings of their given realm in the metacosm (in this case, the Void).
    Fair enough, one wonders what sort of apex creatures the light might feature.
    This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and strength.
    Yet also as humble as health and humor permit.

    Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.

  14. #74
    Thing is people keeping forgeting once a game goes MMO of any kind lore goes out the window new and old bosses will be added for expansions to keep going simple as that because in the end MMorpg are all about the $$$$$$$$$ if we like it or not.For peep sakes we had Mists of pandaria you get my point!

  15. #75
    You would need to figure out how you measure 'godhood'.

    And then anything over that line is a god. Just because something higher up comes along doesnt move that line.

    if Titans, Void Lords, Old Gods, etc are gods now, then whoever is stronger than them is also a god, just a stronger one.

    With that said, any of them were known, titan Keepers were likely worshipped as gods, so theres also room to raise the bar.

  16. #76
    they will just make up new more powerful foes
    like we originally thought the titans were the most powerful beings in the warcraft
    but the writers decided nope they are just pawns compared to the jailer, and above the jailer is the first ones, and then they said theres something above them.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    void lords existed in tbc,however it was a bit...odd,they kept changing how strong different entities were

    for example we faced void lord or god in tbc directly,it was stated in the past that old gods could kick sargeras ass(changed now),it was said that the aspects could kick the old gods ass(changed),and other things i cant remember right now
    didn't they explicitly say that those void lords and _the_ void lords are different things?

    then again they want us to believe ethereals and brokers are different things too.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    Wow is a sort of soap opera, and just like soap operas then WoW will never run out of villains and heroes.
    And if we should run of villains then you can always resurrect an old one, just as soap operas do.
    WoW is a wonderful game, but the story should be taken as seriously as a good soap opera.
    It's more like a Marvel-style comic universe. A new apocalypse every couple of years, world shattering events everyone forgets about after a couple of weeks, several tiers of gods to punch in the face before struggling with a street thug, time travel that may or may not involve a different reality (with a bonus that too much time travel might shatter the universe.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    Well see here's the thing: Sargeras wasn't killed. They potentially don't kill Zovall or Sylvanas either as... well, Revendreth is a thing. We beat Helya twice and she's still back!

    There's "killing" and there's "shelving until later." Hell ARTHAS is back on the board! One of the main themes of shadowlands is that death is a "new beginning." They've literally canonized "no one's dead unless you see the corpse, and stay staring at it!"

    So it's fine. It's a cycle. One they can turn as long as they want!
    No-one's dead unless you see the corpse and even then they might not be dead" started with TBC, was made pointless with WoD, was reinforced with Legion and Shadowlands threw it out of the window. Actually another thing it has in common with Marvel comics.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhalosh Whalescream View Post
    We're gonna face the Jailer as the last boss of the expansion
    No because it's fiction. More gods can be created just like all the ones we've already defeated were created.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadgear View Post
    First we learnt about the Elemental lords
    Then we learnt about the old gods
    Then we learnt about titan keepers and their servants
    Then we learnt about the titan Pantheon
    Then we learnt about the Void lords
    Then we learnt about the Death Pantheon
    Then we learnt the cosmic patheon

    Every time there is a bigger and bigger baddie behind each one we take down with a 20 man group As long as there are 20 people who will do the raids the writers will continue to come up with new entities and gods, Does it all feel samey and meaningless? Yes, does it stop us from getting loot? no
    Titan Keepers were before the Old Gods weren't they? They're dotted around the original old world before Silithus was patched in, though at the time they were the Titans and it was WotLK that made them Titan Keepers with a greater Pantheon beyond.

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