Blackouts Cascade Beyond Texas in Deepening Power Crisis

[Ihavewaffles]

Again, this is you bragging about your ignorance of climate science, not fact.

If it's unpredictable then why is it people were predicting this exact sort of scenario? Rofl.

You will find guys for every theory, scenario, you can't come later "oh, they knew all along!"

Climate science is about knowing how climate works, but there's nobody out there, legit, that will stand up and say "I know the forecast for every year for the next 30 years and THIS is how you need to invest your monies!" because weather changes all the time and nobody will risk their names, so possible scenarios you shouldn't paint as anything than possibilities, it's so easy to scream later "oh I see snow, im scared! lets spend billions!!!11 and then you get 10 years of drought...but hey..it's only money..in warm region...

[Belize]

No, the events need to continue to happen more often for steps to be made.

Absolutely not, a singular event can and will trigger a review of procedures and infrastructure.

Harvey was considered a once in a millennia flooding event and triggered the installation of drainage pumps and a review of the site topography to adjust drainage channels where I work.

We're already in the process of reviewing steam line and process piping insulation/line tracing with plans to upgrade as a result of the current frost, because it caused a plant shutdown due to being unable to keep steam lines hot enough to run. I know a sister plant that's a cracker (Nat. Gas production) is also reviewing their equipment because some of their pumps shut down because of the cold.

Sit down, and be quiet, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Elegiac]

You will find guys for every theory, scenario, you can't come later "oh, they knew all along!"

Climate science is about knowing how climate works, but there's nobody out there, legit, that will stand up and say "I know the forecast for every year for the next 30 years and THIS is how you need to invest your monies!" because weather changes all the time and nobody will risk their names, so possible scenarios you shouldn't paint as anything than possibilities, it's so easy to scream later "oh I see snow, im scared! lets spend billions!!!11 and then you get 10 years of drought...but hey..it's only money..in warm region...

If you’ll shut up with the strawman arguments, allow me to kindly point you at the climate scientists making funding recommendations based on the known data surrounding climate change.

Or are you going to say that we shouldn’t invest in flood barriers for coastal cities, too? Hahaha.

[Ihavewaffles]

If you’ll shut up with the strawman arguments, allow me to kindly point you at the climate scientists making funding recommendations based on the known data surrounding climate change.

Or are you going to say that we shouldn’t invest in flood barriers for coastal cities, too? Hahaha.

You compare a warm state getting snow to coastal cities getting...water? Wow, what a brilliant comparison. Like the water level rising has anything to do with the weather that day or week?..christ..

This snow storm is a freak occurrence.

[Elegiac]

You compare a warm state getting snow to coastal cities getting...water? Wow, what a brilliant comparison. Like the water level rising has anything to do with the weather that day or week?..christ..

Again, this is really just you broadcasting how little you know about the topic.

Like how flood barriers are generally designed to protect against storm surges that are becoming more severe due to climate change even though we cant predict the exact rate of storm formation? Sort of like how winterizing protects against more frequent cold snaps even though the exact rate isn’t known?

Rofl.

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This snow storm is a freak occurrence.

One happened less than four years ago.

[Sorensen]

It's not a state used to snowstorms like this, why would you expect them to be prepared for such? That's like telling Australia to spend monies in case their desert/tropical country one day might get a blizzard. Makes as much sense as selling umbrellas in the Sahara..

Because it happens, not often but it does happen enough to prepare for.

[Rasulis]

Not looking good right now. As many as 185 power plants are down.

[Elegiac]

Not looking good right now. As many as 185 power plants are down.

Getting some very distinct Enron vibes around this whole mess, tbh.

[Ihavewaffles]

Again, this is really just you broadcasting how little you know about the topic.

Like how flood barriers are generally designed to protect against storm surges that are becoming more severe due to climate change even though we cant predict the exact rate of storm formation? Sort of like how winterizing protects against more frequent cold snaps even though the exact rate isn’t known?

Rofl.

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One happened less than four years ago.

You call four years ago frequent? Next one might happen in 20 years, or longer. You need a pattern of occurrences to warrant a huge investment. You still don't get basic economics?

I swear our brilliant minds in this thread would suggest that the middle east should prepare for snow storms being frequent, because that is one theory, scenario..

[wunksta]

Again, this is really just you broadcasting how little you know about the topic.

Like how flood barriers are generally designed to protect against storm surges that are becoming more severe due to climate change even though we cant predict the exact rate of storm formation? Sort of like how winterizing protects against more frequent cold snaps even though the exact rate isn’t known?

Rofl.

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One happened less than four years ago.

It's happened plenty of times that it would be a good idea to winterize the energy grid infrastructure for sudden cold fronts.

Panhandle Blizzard of 1957
Houston Snowstorm of 1960
Blizzard 1964
Blizzard 1971
Arctic Outbreak December 1983
San Antonio Snowstorm of 1985
Spring Blizzard 1987
North American blizzard of 1999
Christmas Eve United States winter storm 2004
Groundhog Day blizzard 2011
Winter Storm Goliath of 2015
North American Ice Storm of 2017

[Ihavewaffles]

It's happened plenty of times that it would be a good idea to winterize the energy grid infrastructure for sudden cold fronts.

Panhandle Blizzard of 1957
Houston Snowstorm of 1960
Arctic Outbreak December 1983
San Antonio Snowstorm of 1985
Spring Blizzard 1987
North American blizzard of 1999
Christmas Eve United States winter storm 2004
Groundhog Day blizzard 2011
Winter Storm Goliath of 2015
North American Ice Storm of 2017

That's not plenty of times and those bolded, that's 23 years apart...but hey decades are like days, who is counting..

[ShadowofVashj]

I'm sure Texas can pull itself up by the boot straps. They don't need any socialist help, right? The Fed is evil? ERCOT runs their own little energy empire, so this is what they get.

And don't go blaming wind turbines or green energy, when 80% of the state runs on fossil fuels. Maybe the state of Texas will actually learn some humility and empathy for other's problems.

Remember when the Tri state area got hammered by superstorm Sandy and Texas senators be like "well they don't need aid money". What goes around comes around.

[Elegiac]

You call four years ago frequent?

In climatological terms; yeah. Especially when it happens to be bearing out a predicted trend of more extreme weather events, which we are seeing with all the droughts, and the fires, and the floods, and the cold snaps.

Next one might happen in 20 years, or longer. You need a pattern of occurrences to warrant a huge investment. You still don't get basic economics?

And like I said, we have a pattern of occurrences that warrants a huge investment to proof against events of this sort.

It's called climate change, sweaty.

[Sorensen]

That's not plenty of times and those bolded, that's 23 years apart...but hey decades are like days, who is counting..

But can you see they are becoming more frequent?

[Rasulis]

Getting some very distinct Enron vibes around this whole mess, tbh.

I am not much for conspiracy theory. Right now about 40% of the Texas' generation capacity is offline - 28 gigawatts from gas and coal that shut due to frozen instruments, limited gas supplies and low gas pressure & 18 gigawatts from frozen turbines and icy solar panels. The load has fallen so low that the frequency of the power grid dipped from 60 hertz to 59.3. Not good. Normally you don't want to be off 60 hertz by more than 0.02 hertz. The doomsday scenario is that the low frequency can automatically force power plants to trip offline and end up with total blackout for the entire state of Texas.

[Edge-]

You call four years ago frequent? Next one might happen in 20 years, or longer.

For a guy who appears to have literally no understand of the topic, you sure seem very certain with your analysis of the topic.

[Zan15]

It's not a state used to snowstorms like this, why would you expect them to be prepared for such? That's like telling Australia to spend monies in case their desert/tropical country one day might get a blizzard. Makes as much sense as selling umbrellas in the Sahara..

Let me know when 25 million people move to the desert and the sahara

[ohtlmtlm]

I remember how much sympathy the West coast got from President dipshit and his dipshitlings last year in yet another year of record wildfires.


pull yourselves up by your boot straps, government isn't for giving hand-outs, it's not my fault you don't have a generator or food storage in case of emergency, why should my tax dollars go to bail out their bad planning???? I thought they wanted to leave the Union, now they're seeking handouts? fucken Texan snowflakes can't handle a couple of snowflakes?

thanks, i got it out of my system. I'll accept punishment if there is one.

oh, also they have wind-turbines at latitudes much higher north than fucking Texas and don't seem to have problems. Maybe consider the people that installed those turbines cut costs by not installing the deicing feature because they didn't think they'd need it. shrug

[Elegiac]

You still don't get basic economics?

I do, actually.

That's why I understand capitalism is entirely unequipped to handle a crisis like climate change and relying on "investment strategies" isn't going to help anyone, because it certainly hasn't helped us thus far.

Well, you know. Besides creating food lines and telling us those only ever happen under evil Communist regimes.

[Zan15]

Projections are assumptions, possibilities, not proof. For all we know they might get warmer n more droughts. But hey, it's other people billions, lets just guess what might happen..

Hey why not skimp on being prepared worked out so well for Chernobyl and Fukushima.

It only happened once.....


All it takes is one event to cause a catastrophic failure that will end up costing way more money than the upgrades would have.