The Story of Conservatism, Told in L. Brent Bozells

[Milchshake]

Is conservatism easier to understand if it recognized as simply repackaged Tory and Monarchist ideologies?

The idea that there is a natural ruling class. Consider the case of L. Bent Bozell:
L. Brent Bozell, Sr - Anti-New Deal advertising exec
L. Brent Bozell, Jr. - Pro-lifer who loved Franco
L. Brent Bozell III - Tracked when TV was mean to conservatives
L. Brent Bozell IV - Q freak who stormed the Capitol

L. Brent Bozell IV was arrested at the 1/6 sedition riots:

The son of Brent Bozell, a conservative commentator, has been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol after being identified by wearing a sweatshirt from the Christian high school where he once worked as a girls basketball coach, court records show.

Leo Brent Bozell IV — whose father’s full name is Leo Brent Bozell III — is accused of entering a restricted government building, obstructing an official proceeding and disorderly conduct, according to a complaint filed in Federal District Court in Washington on Tuesday.

The court documents include several screenshots of the younger Mr. Bozell at various locations inside the Senate chamber, where he lingered, without a mask, for about ten minutes. He is seen chatting on his phone, and, at one point, appears to be repositioning a C-SPAN camera in the chamber’s upper gallery.



Are country club republicans our naturally ruling elities?

Most political animals will recognize Bozell IV as the son and namesake of Brent Bozell III, founder of the Media Research Center and a relentless critic of alleged liberal bias in the mainstream media. Bozell III probably had more to do than any other single person in laying the groundwork for Donald Trump’s assaults on “fake media,” which is ironic since he was initially a very vocal conservative critic of Trump. Like his hero Ted Cruz, though, Bozell came around, and now occupies a pan-Republican position of great influence. He’s never been far from the conservative fringes, however; he was finance chairman for Pat Buchanan’s insurgent presidential campaign in 1992 and was involved in the right-wing Conservative Political Action Conference until he split with the event’s organizer in 2012 over its acceptance of a gay Republican group as a participant in the annual conference.

But Bozell IV’s grandfather, Brent Bozell Jr., was arguably a more influential and definitely more radical forebear. The son of an ad executive, Bozell Jr. was William F. Buckley’s best friend and debating partner at Yale, and soon his brother-in-law (he married WFB’s sister Patricia Buckley). Together the two fiery young conservatives wrote the definitive defense of Joseph McCarthy, called McCarthy and His Enemies. Bozell would later ghostwrite Barry Goldwater’s manifesto The Conscience of a Conservative. But it was his conversion to Catholicism in high school that really changed his life and ultimately his political views. As the founder of a journal of “political Catholicism,” Triumph, Bozell became more and more estranged from the more ecumenical conservatism of Buckley, and eventually, from America itself. He even moved for a while to Franco’s Spain to enjoy a society rigidly organized on conservative Catholic lines…


The line from Buckley to QAnon is pretty direct.

[Zeth Hawkins]

The line from Buckley to QAnon is pretty direct.

"Six degrees of Kevin Bacon" strikes again!

[PC2]

The line from Buckley to QAnon is pretty direct.

Based on your post any such line would have to be implicit and 'indirect' unless you can cite an explicit connection directly from one to the other.

Also productive threads will be focused on ideas/policies and not people. Complaining about a political person you don't like is a bad proxy for criticizing one or more of their political ideas that you feel is wrong.

[Milchshake]

Sorry, but there's no Bacon Number assigned for blood relations or avuncular relations.

[Ivanstone]

Also productive threads will be focused on ideas/policies and not people. Complaining about a political person you don't like is a bad proxy for criticizing one or more of their political ideas that you feel is wrong.

Ideas/policies don't exist without people. People have all kinds of motivations for doing what they do. This particular thread is about four assholes who wielded more power than they should've and had terrible ideas.

[Elegiac]

Based on your post any such line would have to be implicit and 'indirect' unless you can cite an explicit connection directly from one to the other.

Also productive threads will be focused on ideas/policies and not people. Complaining about a political person you don't like is a bad proxy for criticizing one or more of their political ideas that you feel is wrong.

I.e. you can't actually point to anything in their actions as being defensible so have to trot out this line to try and dodge that and try and steer the discussion into abstractions where you feel you can get away with making unsourced claims.

[Dezerte]

You probably could make a link between conservatism and monarchism, yes. In some ways you could probably also see modern society as a form of modern feudalism.

[minteK917]

Conversatism is easy to represent in all time period. A movement induced by irrational fears and disgust based on no facts.

[Wilfire]

A society without a big % of conservative population would blindly accept all new ideas with no regard for what they might lead to in the long run.

[Elegiac]

A society without a big % of conservative population would blindly accept all new ideas with no regard for what they might lead to in the long run.

Citation needed. Conservatism isn't exactly known for long term decision making, especially in America.

[jonnysensible]

A society without a big % of conservative population would blindly accept all new ideas with no regard for what they might lead to in the long run.

a society with a big % of conservative population will never have a new idea though

[Felya]

A society without a big % of conservative population would blindly accept all new ideas with no regard for what they might lead to in the long run.

Irrational comment... Stop the steal... Obama is born in Kenya... Trump is a competent human being... are all ideas so new, they don’t fucking exist. Maybe blame wind turbines for freezing Texas? School shootings are a hoax?

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Citation needed. Conservatism isn't exactly known for long term decision making, especially in America.

Blindly... and with Trump’s history, there has to be a stronger word than blind... tearing down the American flag, to replace it with a Trump flag. Fucking beating a cop to death, while carrying a Blue Lives Mater flag... can’t event play the no true Scotsman games, since 75 million voted for the fucker.

What’s the word for having more value in iconography, than action?

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a society with a big % of conservative population will never have a new idea though

This digs into a different issue...

Healthcare... Can you imagine using terms like ‘blindly following’, after Trump lied about covid? Maybe when leftist are pushing for healthcare, it’s not blind... but, currently has an overwhelming evidence of its need, since... you know... it’s a pandemic that didn’t just go away... Who is actually blind on this topic?

“Freedom of speech”... the fact that in current time, this has to be high up on a list of concerns, is its own problem with modern conservatives. If not blind... what possible justification can you have, for looking at people with a “censored” mask, while talking to congress, on national television? How can you complain about being censored, while appearing on highest rated news networks, telling millions of people, that you are censored? If not blind, what exactly causes this disconnect with reality?

Energy... How long did it take oil and gas to start blaming wind turbines, for the Texas electrical grid? What sort of deductive reasoning, lead to repeating a lie, with no data point? What sort of independent thinking, lead you to believe that a state, where they had a sports team... literally named the Oilers... would be that dependent on wind power? Fuck it... conservatives are not blind following a leader... no... we are changing the name of NFL’s Texans... to... Wind Runners... yeah, baby...

Which brings us to decades of conspiracy theories... After all, unlike Trump getting shit for what he does, the likes of Obama, Clinton and now Biden, all have conspiracy theories to explain away policy that they actually support. Do you think if they paid attention, instead of listening to corporate approved conspiracy theories... they would have noticed that neoliberals might be the conservative populist, they wanted from the likes of Bush and Trump...

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"Six degrees of Kevin Bacon" strikes again!

Dude... McCarthism... you think this crying about communists around every corner, is a new tact?

[Milchshake]

Ideas/policies don't exist without people. People have all kinds of motivations for doing what they do. This particular thread is about four assholes who wielded more power than they should've and had terrible ideas.

Buckley and Bozells I & II are the "Intellectuals" of modern conservatism. They were so committed to the project, they started naming their children like Rocky Sequels. They imagined themselves to be building a dynasty.

Instead of the Hapsburg Lip, they wound up breeding a QAnon kid. Bozell IV (Buckley's grandnephew, BACON Number 0.5) wound up being a 4 Channer that got arrested at the Capitol.

[Logwyn]

Sorry, but there's no Bacon Number assigned for blood relations or avuncular relations.

What if the work in a movie with him?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Conservativism has always had ties to monarchy in American history. It was the conservatives of the time who supported the rule of the British crown. Despite having what by today's standards would be considered very conservative views, the founders of America were extremely progressive for the time. Democracy was in its infancy, and no big nation had even attempted it. So much so that rather than creating a direct democracy, our founders created a constitutional republic which, over time, has become more of a direct democracy as ideas have evolved. However the very basic structure of our constitution, the "source code" or "engine" if you're looking for a gaming analogy, makes it harder and harder for us to adopt more modern ideas that tend towards more democratic principles.

But back on topic, yes, one only needs look at POtuS #45 to see just how badly conservatives want a king more than they want a president.

[Glorious Leader]

A society without a big % of conservative population would blindly accept all new ideas with no regard for what they might lead to in the long run.

As opposed to the current crop of reactionary jack asses who recoil at the nearest hint of progress.

[Diaphin]

A society without a big % of conservative population would blindly accept all new ideas with no regard for what they might lead to in the long run.

Sounds kind of better than the big % of conservatives voting to implement religiously motivated legislation, infringing on the civil rights of others due to irrational religious feeling without any rational argumentation and shooting innocent black people on the streets for the lolz

[Milchshake]

UPDATE

William B Fuckley's grandchild is now a convited felon.

Leo Bren Bozell IV was found guilty of assaulting a police officer, destruction of government property, obstructing a preceding and other crimes. The charges carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

[Shadowferal]

Bozo Bozell...and family. Not surprised.
I've greater respect for the Buckleys. Christopher Buckley in particular.

[enigma77]

Conservatives are simply the Liberals who succeeded.