if you jump in the river you get wet, this isn't bad writing, is a matter of folowing the logic of the situation, good writing can't salvage that
again, the change was made the horde to be a joke and basically a subservient state of the alliance, if it would have survived or not that is a matter of bad or good writing.The change was fine.. orcs only would have never survived and realy stale which is also shown in game.
see how im not talking about the council.
Anduin is such a good golden boi that he even stirs Sylvanas genocidal heart
You can't make this up
This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.
The story was all over the place and like I said if it that had a different direction it could have been better, again nothing to do with who the warchief is. It's not like Vol'jin or garrosh story was any better. So saying it was doomed from the point Sylvanas became warchief is meaningless, cus then you should have said it was doomed afther thrall. Which also doesn't say anything to me either, just bad story.
The horde becoming a joke, cus I guess you mean you don't like it because reasons ( no more orcs only?)
The council is for the better, warchief is a dated title and should have been removed way earlier.
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both of their stories were better, Garrosh was a better villain all together, and he start as not a villain, but as a character with flaws
it is doomed after sylvanas because its when started the downhill, it made no sense to kill vol'jin after what happened to mop, and made no sense to put her in that position, again was DOA, is not a matter of they could have done, is a matter of what it was the only possible logical outcome after that decisionSo saying it was doomed from the point Sylvanas became warchief is meaningless, cus then you should have said it was doomed afther thrall. Which also doesn't say anything to me either, just bad story.
good try bringing up that fallacy but like i said, im not talking about the council and already showed why a troll or even a tauren would make to leadThe horde becoming a joke, cus I guess you mean you don't like it because reasons ( no more orcs only?)
The council is for the better, warchief is a dated title and should have been removed way earlier.
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that is basically power of friendship
they didnt show him turning which is kind of odd.
also i really want 9.1 to end up as an actual loss. "While you were distracted with Sylvanas i stole another key" type.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Opinion thing, for me none realy stands out.
I agree on Vol'jin, it was utterly pointless to kill him.
I was talking about the council, because that is where we are right now, it's relevant. Baine and Vol'jin are not great examples imo, you can argue the way they handled things, but honestly why bother?
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Garrosh was a more compelling villain, more "humane", with realistic goals and flaws, that made him better that the clusterfuck sylvanas is going trough since wtlk.
but im not rly talking about the council or Baine, i said a tauren, baine is an alliance lapdog, not a tauren anymore, the thing is the horde before was already like a council, the difference is the leader of orcs, aka, warchief, had the final saying in the matters of war, but they kinda forgot that to act like the warchief was an emperor of some sort and everyone could be one.I was talking about the council, because that is where we are right now, it's relevant. Baine and Vol'jin are not great examples imo, you can argue the way they handled things, but honestly why bother?
No amount of redemption will make up for the genocide that she did when she burned Teldrassil. All the way up to that point I really liked her, but when she did that yeah...just kill her already I hope it will be Tyrande then during her last moment she sees Arthas one last time as an ironic poetic justice for sure.
Look at what happened to grom from Alternate draenor and Queen Azshara after they were 'defeated' in a fashion, a whole lot of nothing its a headache.
Like we did with Nzoth can we as a raid group finish her and not get the kill stolen? No redemptions, no nothing, just pure execution. We had enough redemption arks.
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TO FIX WOW:1. smaller server sizes & server-only LFG awarding satchels, so elite players help others. 2. "helper builds" with loom powers - talent trees so elite players cast buffs on low level players XP gain, HP/mana, regen, damage, etc. 3. "helper ilvl" scoring how much you help others. 4. observer games like in SC to watch/chat (like twitch but with MORE DETAILS & inside the wow UI) 5. guild leagues to compete with rival guilds for progression (with observer mode).6. jackpot world mobs.
Sylvanas sacrifices herself to save the day but she dies and awaits a horrible afterlife but WAIT some kind of windchime resurrects her and turns her into some light undead bullshit and everyone is happy thereafter.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
First of all it is debatable if Arthas did worse or not. Second, Arthas didn't have fully control of what he did after he got the Frostmourne (yes he was a dick before but he got worse after obtaining the runeblade, and the culling of Stratholm was horrible indeed, but at least he did it thinking that it was the only way the only solution, he didn't do it because someone talk back to him and got him tilted or angry or anything like that)
Sylvanas did so many horrible selfish bullshit, hell the idea of her joining the jailer after she commited a suicide at the day of night (forgot that novel story name) after the end of Wotlk icc because she was afraid of death and didn't wanna die.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Not according to the new retcon lore no(I don't like retcons myself but it is what it is). Did you see the new cinematic of 9.1 ? I will not spoil it if you didn't see it yet.
That video will gives you an obvious answer that Arthas is indeed wasn't on controll when he was using the runeblade Frostmourne or when he was using the Helm of Domination.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
No one. I believe Blizzard is trying to introduce a change in heart.