Because that would be only thing that can make the situation actually bad. So far Wanda has stolen something that probably doesn't have a legal existence, and pupetted people for a sitcom where nothing actually bad happened to them. That's barely a hostage situation for all SWORD/FBI know.
If anything happened to this guy, it could give legitimate reasons for the SWORD to attack with full force. They've already attacked once (with the drone) but apparently without being backed by anyone (FBI wasn't aware apparently).
It would also help Wanda realizes she's out of control, if she harmed anyone, which she didn't yet.
Sure that is, never denied it was. But it's currently "not bad enough to kill an Avenger". There has been no durable casualty so far, no one died, no one was physically harmed. If someone dies from Wanda's hands, that could become really problematic, hence why I feel that this "no name guy" could be a major plot point of the next episodes.
I mean, if that whole shit was that bad, Strange or any other Avenger would have intervened by now - even though that's probably a false argument as we can say that for nearly every solo-movie ever.
It has been shown that Wanda is quite aware of everything that has happened. Or else Monica mentioning Ultron wouldn't have set her off like that. Wanda is just choosing to pretend nothing is wrong. Same thing in the first episode when Mr. Hart insisted on knowing where the came from. She made him choke then had Vision save him.
In Infinity War Bruce Banner flat out stated that the mind stone is what made Vision "Vision", with bits of Jarvis/Banner/Tony traits mixed in. That is why they had Shuri working so hard to try and reroute all the connections so they could safely remove the stone so they could preserve his "awareness". At this point it doesn't matter too much though. He is getting the information he needs 2nd hand from Darcy to understand Wanda's state of mind.
My interpretation was that Wanda became aware of her past, when she remembered Pietro while looking at the twins. Monica becomes aware of the 'real world' and the past at the same moment and thus mentions Ultron. Wanda is shocked to see her own powers manifesting after she blasts Monica out, because that is the first time her magic actually looks like her own and not like some sitcom magic special effect.
And the thing about Vision being who he is without the mindstone is exactly what I mean. He should not have 'no memories', but without the mindstone he may well be a lot more like Ultron, which was Ultron's plan. Vision was supposed to be Ultron's 'final form' and then got more Jarvis (iirc) and the mindstone, which made him Vision instead. And once he gets his lesson in his personal history he even chooses to return to Wanda and help her, which is why I don't think he would have opposed Wanda more if he had his memories before that, quite the contrary. His memory loss was what enabled Agatha to gaslight him (by glitching out Herb and telling Vision her sob-story at the edge of town) into opposing Wanda and trying to escape the Hex.
1) powers don’t = avenger
2) they didn’t call in Monica the super powered member of sword, they called in normal, barely back 2 weeks agent of sword Monica.
3) she’s not even working under sword anymore as she’s working against the head of it.
But to the original question, I doubt Hayward wants to involve the avengers unless he has to for fear they’ll find out what he was doing to visions body.
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Agents of shield isn’t even mcu, and takes place after his death, so... I’m talking before he was given alien blood which affected his physiology.
Vision was an empty husk. The plan was for ultron to upload his consciousness to him. Later tony and Bruce began to upload the original ultron plans tweaked with jarvis in the hopes of adding a morality, but Thor popped it halfway, so he’s neither.
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That’s not your discussion, you said they called in the superpowered avenger Monica to handle things, which 2 of 3 of those weren’t true, and one just happened 7 weeks in.
Ah yea, that's what it was. I still think that taking away the mindstone should not erase what was there before, which is, as you wrote, original Ultron with more Jarvis. I think those memories should still be there and they aren't, because SWORD removed them. They don't actually want Jarvis in it, morality would be an impediment for a weapon they want to deploy whenever whereever they like. And if they actually were already trying to bring him back online, they must already have implemented their own AI. Wanda may have erased that, or at least tried to.
But we'll see what it really is, I hope this Friday. I'm already biting my nails, because I'm so curious!
I guess you don't figure the Netflix shows to be part of the MCU either then.
Errrr, yeah? That happened to him from being brought back, which Fury did because he considered Coulson an Avenger at the time of his death.and takes place after his death, so... I’m talking before he was given alien blood which affected his physiology.
Maybe that’s what you meant but
In no way comes off as “the writers have someone on scene fulfilling that role.”
Which still wouldn’t be the same because the point was Hayward recognizing he’s in over his head. Though I already answered that.
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No, they’re not. Feige and everyone from the mcu would agree with me. I don’t need to go into the real life reasons for this do I? It’s not coincidence nothing from those shows were mentioned in the mcu.
You keep mentioning stuff from the end point backwards. We’re talking about things as they were when they happened.
Was tony an avenger in I’m 1 because he became one at the end of the phase? Were the maximoffs the heroes in the beginning of AoU because they were redeemed by the end?
She's not an Avenger in Wandavision.
After Captain Marvel 2 she may be an Avenger....but right now...she isn't.
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He didn't say anything about them being "bad guys". He asked if they were Avengers. And for most of the movie... they aren't.
And Tony wasn't an Avenger in IM1. He also wasn't an Avenger in IM2. Thor Odinson isn't an Avenger in Thor 1. Steve Rogers is not an Avenger in CA1. Carol Danvers isn't an Avenger in CM. Because there were no Avengers in the time frames those movies are set.
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Stop trying to use avenger for a blanket statement of powerful hero. Avenger is just the team formed and at one point there were even two teams of Avengers. It doesn't really mean much at all. Avengers are not automatically super powerful nor does anything about your power change between being an Avenger and just being a Super Hero/Villan.
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She's not an Avenger. Yet. She's literally just realized she has powers. "Avenger" is the label for a membership in a particular semi-governmental defense initiative, not "any random person who has powers".
When someone taps her on the shoulder and asks if she's heard about the Avenger Initiative, and she smiles, then we can consider her an Avenger. Not before.
It shares characters, particularly Coulson. It was used to deliberately set up the Hydra reveal in Winter Soldier. It went into a lot of detail about the Kree in later seasons, which we've delved even further into with Captain Marvel.
The line between AoS and the MCU is entirely down to the showrunners, really.
A better way of phrasing it is to use the Marvel canonical universe labelling. AoS isn't "the MCU", because the C in there is "cinematic", and AoS is on TV. So it's the "MTU", kind of thing. But both the MCU and MTU are part of the same Earth-199999 universe. Much the same way that a regular Fantastic Four comic and a Moon Knight comic might both take place in Earth-616 continuity, even if neither references the other and they have wildly different tones and graphical styles and so on.
AoS and the MCU are part of the same continuity. Canonically. We could argue if that maybe changed in the very last seasons, between the time jumps and all that; that may have shunted AoS out of Earth-199999 into a new separate universe, but until that first break in Season 5? Seasons 1-4? Absolutely continuous with the MCU universe, without real question.