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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Sometimes I wonder how many people do actually block me here

    Such a weird concept. "Oh no...I don't want to hear a different opinion"
    Happens a lot to me because people like to accuse me of being a Blizzdrone for having an opinion that isn't "hey fuck everything this company does 100% of the time no matter what." Pragmatism is a lost art and doesn't make you too many friends on this site. /shrug

  2. #122
    Blizzconline2021's highlight moment for me was the reveal of Diablo2: Resurrected. They're in a dire need of fresh IPs.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by A Cunning Plan View Post
    Blizzconline2021's highlight moment for me was the reveal of Diablo2: Resurrected. They're in a dire need of fresh IPs.
    While I would love a WoW 2 with improved graphics I don't think they really need new IPs.

    Even if people here see in their tea leaves that Blizzard isn't succesful, they really are, because they know their core fanbase and that is the WoW and Diablo community.
    Hence they use these IPs for new games, stretching out from the MMO and Hack/Slash market, like Hearthstone and HoTS. This is smart, because it will attract the core and maybe it sticks. They are however realistic enough to see when it doesn't like with HoTS.

    Products like WoW Classic are genius. Not only has the community greedly demanded them for years, it also takes very little investment to get it running because people specifically wanted it unchanged. Blizzard literally got to sell a 16 year old product again, that is the dream of any company.

    After that it is really very unsurprising that Diablo 2 receives a remaster too. Not only are remasters and remakes a very common thing in the gaming industry (see RE2 Remake), but the Diablo Fans have been playing the shit out of D2 for decades and they will devour Resurrected for sure.

    So I would argue that because and not despite focussing on their core IPs while making experiments with different game types, Blizzard is as successful as it is.

  4. #124
    Unfortunately, I agree.

    IMHO, this could be what happens when marketing people run your gaming company and game developers have no say. One can only bleed talent for so long before it is completely gone.

    Remakes and remasters are a good thing. IMO, they are the best thing Blizzard has going via Vicarious Visions. Now Vicarious Visions is incredible and talented and IMO they are putting that team on this separate project which IMO was the best news for Blizzard in a LONG time, and they need to keep that up. More talented developers, less meta-marketing.

    With the Tony Hawk 1+2 remake VV showed me that they know what makes a game good and where to make sacrifices in the name of modernity and where to draw the line. Fans didn't trust Blizzard with this in Classic, hence "no changes" among other reasons, but I trust VV to make those types of calls and I would say for old games, they should change them as they see fit. That is they type of trust Blizzard could rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    With the mass of old games being remastered to feed the hungry nostalgic player and the criticism that blizzard receives for almost everything that has been released recently, I am not surprised. Blizzard simply lacks developers with a feeling for that certain something, developers who are children themselves and like to develop games, real games.

    Games are simply no longer developed out of passion or because developers obviously enjoy doing them, but only so that they don't end up in the red at the end of the year. How can you develop games without much effort to keep the player on the hook, this is what 99% of all game industries are pursuing today. And don't get me wrong, that's fine too. But with the amount with which players are just getting f*cked over it no longer funny.

    I also think it is not because blizzard doesn't want to create good games with effort anymore, they just can't. It feels like their games are currently being developed by lawyers and tax advisors instead of real developers with a burning passion for it.

    Just wanted to get rid of.

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    The bolded parts are exactly what I have been saying about the video game industry for years now. Developing games is no longer about the passion but rather about making as much money as possible in the smallest amount of time and with the least amount of effort. Instead of making unique and creative single player story driven games, developers these days want to make copy-paste online multiplayer games because it's the easiest way to make money. They charge you for the game itself and then entice you with shiny DLC skins, buy-to-win type weapons and gear and in game currency to buy. It's a gold mine. They know what the average gamer mentality is these days and they take advantage of it.

    Video games, I think, had more soul back in the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox days. Hell, even back in the PS3/Xbox 360 days. Today it just feels purely like a money making business and that's it. I feel that it's even becoming like it's own Hollywood at this point with so many games trying to be like a movie with actual actors providing voice and facial features for their characters and they try so hard to pretend that it's not a video game by making it feel so "realistic", it's annoying. I'll take a Jak and Daxter or Timesplitters type game over any of these realistic cinematic games or online MMO looter-shooters any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    I never said I could do better. Can you only criticize if you make things better? Then your world view is quite paradoxical
    So this position of 'Blizzard cant create good games anymore' yet you continue to throw your currency and time at Blizzard, Why is that? Seem paradoxical if you ask me. If you weren't looking to have your mind changed, was this just some blog post that missed your blog and landed here?

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  8. #128
    I understand the reasoning behind WC3 reforge, because it exists a MMO called WOW that blocks new progression of WC4... I get that.

    I don't understand Diablo 2 remake, what is stopping blizzard from making Diablo 4 that is in all aspect better than diablo 2 that a remake is necessary ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobio View Post
    I understand the reasoning behind WC3 reforge, because it exists a MMO called WOW that blocks new progression of WC4... I get that.

    I don't understand Diablo 2 remake, what is stopping blizzard from making Diablo 4 that is in all aspect better than diablo 2 that a remake is necessary ?
    Because no matter what they do with D4, there will be fans who want Diablo 2 again.

  10. #130
    Lol, according to this forum they never could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    What game company has been producing good games for multiple decades and still has the same people working there?

    What are you comparing Blizzard to here?
    That elusive company which doesn't care about profits, has had the exact same people working there since the start, never lets their fanbase down with bad titles and treats each and every employee down to the janitor with the utmost respect.

    Aka, a rosy image of what game development used to and should be.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    What game company has been producing good games for multiple decades and still has the same people working there?

    What are you comparing Blizzard to here?
    You can say this for almost every company, how many people stay at the same company till they die? Even the founders or the top management at some point say "I need something new" and leave the company to either do something new or just retire.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    Shadowlands sells like good bread and people here are like "Blizzard can't make good games"

    Some of you got some weird complexity regarding Blizzard games. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they are bad games, in the same way that lots of people here probably dislike Counter Strike but it's still a good game.
    Madden also sells millions of copies, but it is still inferior to previous iterations of madden

    Sales do not always reflect quality and vice versa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    What game company has been producing good games for multiple decades and still has the same people working there?

    What are you comparing Blizzard to here?
    Rockstar continues to get better and better with each title. For 20 years now

  13. #133
    Well they probably have to please their Activision overlords so even if they could make the game great again and meet most of the reasonable demands from players, they are probably not allowed to as long as it means a decrease in profits.

    In any case I wonder if WoW would still be a thing today if Blizzard had never gotten absorbed by Activision.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    With the mass of old games being remastered to feed the hungry nostalgic player and the criticism that blizzard receives for almost everything that has been released recently, I am not surprised. Blizzard simply lacks developers with a feeling for that certain something, developers who are children themselves and like to develop games, real games.

    Games are simply no longer developed out of passion or because developers obviously enjoy doing them, but only so that they don't end up in the red at the end of the year. How can you develop games without much effort to keep the player on the hook, this is what 99% of all game industries are pursuing today. And don't get me wrong, that's fine too. But with the amount with which players are just getting f*cked over it no longer funny.

    I also think it is not because blizzard doesn't want to create good games with effort anymore, they just can't. It feels like their games are currently being developed by lawyers and tax advisors instead of real developers with a burning passion for it.

    Just wanted to get rid of.

    Cheers
    it happens what always happens:

    small enthusiastic company land a great hit.
    small enthusiastic company love what they do and get succesful.
    small enthusiastic company become bigger business.
    big money makin machine company buy small enthusiastic company.
    small enthusiastic company is now a big money makin machine.
    big money makin machine just does not things a small enthusiastic company does.
    big money makin machine use the sucessful name and milk as much money as possible, as long as possible, before it goes down.

    ppl normally need over 15 years, until they realize the new company (modern ATVI Blizzard) has nothing in common with the old company (Blizzard/Blizzard North), besides the name, before the downward spiral begins.

    thats how it goes since 1950 or so, in any market.

    so, when you expect in any near future (as long as Blizzard is that multibillion dollar company) that they „go back to their roots“ and start making games great again, i have bad news for you. this will not happen. instead they will do whatever marketing and managmenet analysis say will make the most money. and no, makin good games does not make the most money. building cheap stuff by cost effective development, polishing it and selling it by the name Blizzard as high quality, with smart cash grab systems to a broad audience.... THIS will make the most money.

    look: Fanbase of Blizzard dont want mobile games. we knew this before Diablo Immortal. Why Blizz is doing this anyway ? Because there is a big market. Because they can make money by polished cheap shit full of cash grab systems. They are simply not interessted in investing huge amount of effort/time/money by producing 1 great high quality game and land a hit. you can simply get higher profits by doing other things. look at Rockstar Games (a company that use this approach): are they succesful and rich ? yes. are they THAT rich as ATVI Blizz? not in the slightest.

    thats just business as usual. sad but true.
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  15. #135
    Maybe they have been too successfull. With the IPs they have, why would they dare venture into new grounds? They can just keep on chugging along with what they have. Its brilliant really with the relaunches of old wow xpacs along with retail. The next years they will lean back and launch retail xpac+bc & wotlk. The remastered versions of D2.

    Can keep on teasing with D4, probably years away.

    The only thing we are going to see from Blizzard that we can regard as "new", will be mobile/tablet games that are buildt within current IPs.

  16. #136
    Like many here said in todays age is all about making money, not passion

    For me only one game appears to be made from pure passion "recently" it was Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice and many are waiting for Hellblade 2

    Now in Blizzard? At max some devs from Overwatch at the release but not anymore

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Not that I have any particular desire to diminish Blizzard's success, but I think a lot of WoW's box sales are driven by a mixture of nostalgia and hope rather than confidence in the quality of the product.
    This. And long-term emotional and monetary attachment/investment. Sort of in a sunk-cost kind of way almost. Every new expansion helps justify the absurd amount of time and money many of us have already spent. And the truth is we still just plain enjoy checking new expansions even if we don't have the same will to play it non-stop for months on end, or if we end up ruining our own experience by always comparing them to unrealistic standards set by exploring X expansion when we were new to the game.

    With that said, I think the honest core issue is people's perception of what is a "good" game nowadays. People online talk like any game that isn't great or even the best is just bad and not worth your time, and that's just not true. There are amazing games, there are great games, there are good games, there are above-average games, there are average games, there are not-so-great games, there are bad games and there are outright unplayable games. It's not just good or bad, love or hate.

    And the truth is honestly WoW and all its expansions have always pretty much been at the very least above-average or good, even Cata, WoD and BfA.

    The same is true for more recent releases like D3 and OW. They might not be amazing genre-defining games like D2, W3 and original WoW were, but they're still damn good games.
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  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Grubenwolf View Post
    The bolded parts are exactly what I have been saying about the video game industry for years now. Developing games is no longer about the passion but rather about making as much money as possible in the smallest amount of time and with the least amount of effort. Instead of making unique and creative single player story driven games, developers these days want to make copy-paste online multiplayer games because it's the easiest way to make money. They charge you for the game itself and then entice you with shiny DLC skins, buy-to-win type weapons and gear and in game currency to buy. It's a gold mine. They know what the average gamer mentality is these days and they take advantage of it.

    Video games, I think, had more soul back in the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox days. Hell, even back in the PS3/Xbox 360 days. Today it just feels purely like a money making business and that's it. I feel that it's even becoming like it's own Hollywood at this point with so many games trying to be like a movie with actual actors providing voice and facial features for their characters and they try so hard to pretend that it's not a video game by making it feel so "realistic", it's annoying. I'll take a Jak and Daxter or Timesplitters type game over any of these realistic cinematic games or online MMO looter-shooters any day.
    exactly when was that time where developer made sp story driven games?
    because in the '80s there was a plethora of arcade games with stupid difficulty to spend more coins, '90 was full of copy pasted platforms everywhere with dumb expansions to recycle the same game, '00 fps and mmos with subscriptions, p2w and introduction of dlcs, '10 mobas and the lastman standing shooters with their esthetic gambling
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    With the mass of old games being remastered to feed the hungry nostalgic player and the criticism that blizzard receives for almost everything that has been released recently, I am not surprised. Blizzard simply lacks developers with a feeling for that certain something, developers who are children themselves and like to develop games, real games.

    Games are simply no longer developed out of passion or because developers obviously enjoy doing them, but only so that they don't end up in the red at the end of the year. How can you develop games without much effort to keep the player on the hook, this is what 99% of all game industries are pursuing today. And don't get me wrong, that's fine too. But with the amount with which players are just getting f*cked over it no longer funny.

    I also think it is not because blizzard doesn't want to create good games with effort anymore, they just can't. It feels like their games are currently being developed by lawyers and tax advisors instead of real developers with a burning passion for it.

    Just wanted to get rid of.

    Cheers
    To be fair, what studio is putting out good games? The whole multiplayer gaming genre is just rehashes and remasters. Hell that goes for single player games too. The gaming industry as a whole needs a shakeup.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Tonkaden View Post
    To be fair, what studio is putting out good games? The whole multiplayer gaming genre is just rehashes and remasters. Hell that goes for single player games too. The gaming industry as a whole needs a shakeup.
    The last games that were really good for me are Witcher III, Bioshock series and Dark Souls. Had also read somewhere that many small game industries have been bought up over the time by big companies and shareholders and are now just a money printing machine more or less. The smaller the studio, the more passionate the development in my opinion. Game development nowadays equals a marketing concept, which is very bad for the overall game experience.

    With small I don't mean like 10 people.

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