On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
very disappointed i expected this to be a kokolums thread.
r.i.p. alleria. 1997-2017. blizzard ruined alleria forever. blizz assassinated alleria's character and appearance.
i will never forgive you for this blizzard.
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
No no no, his ultimate MO is to paint the GOP as a monolithic and inevitable power destined to lead the US and that the democrats must abscond from politics and allow the republicans to rule unquestioned, lest questioning or opposing them incite the violent white supremacists, self-appointed militias and neo-nazis to join forces with the military and destroy the democrats, and that it’d be in everyone’s best interests to just let those groups have their way with the country. You know, for the Democrat’s own good.
This kind of much more plausible, internal civil war of politics that points out the deep schism and weakening of the Republican Party is the last thing he’d want to hear about.
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“If things weren’t the way they were and were instead completely different I’m 100% sure they’d definitely be this other way!” is not a compelling argument.
I can assure you that no, most democrat voters would not have “voted trump simply if he had a D next to his name.”
It is not in the liberal purview to care about or support the things Trump represented or supported.
I know you’re eager to glaze over your tacit support for such an odious individual and get people to forget exactly what kind of policies he enacted, but... yeah, we’re not gonna forget them. A lot of us will see to it that people hear of what a terrible president and man Trump was for years to come.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
ROFLMAO, considering the fact that I wasn't a fan of even Obama after the first term due to his policy failures maybe you should stop talking out of your ass. Trump's policies were horrible that's not even going into his personal history, I will give you credit for not defending his links to Epstein but you were cheering everything else.
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McConnell's words are meaningless the fact is he voted in favor of Trump, Cheney voted for Marjorie Taylor Greene after getting pressured. We've all heard it during the last 4 years the off the record and behind the scenes talks saying if this was held behind closed doors Trump would lose. However 2020 has changed things there is now 1000s of congress people who own their seat to Trump and truly believe in him. In 2022 Trump will strengthen his grip even further as primary challenges backed by Trump will be taking these people on that will be the real test of Trump's hold on power.
Let's also be realistic the party will never split they will all fall in line instead that's what the right wing does they aren't gun ho on the whole independent thinking / morals thing versus power evidence by ironically McConnell.
Did I say a week? Yeah, I meant a month...
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When was the first time you called Exxon, a mineral extraction company, that democrats hate? You started defending oil companies, because you have such a hate boner for democrats, that I don’t think you even remember your own principles. How did we go from oil companies and military industrial complex, just being “mineral extraction”? How?
This is why it’s not a civil war. As I said earlier, you can’t be populist and support oil companies. Calling oil companies, mineral extraction, is how Trump’s side of GOP justifies having Tellison as Secretary of State and Perry as Secretary of energy. If there was a civil war brewing and not just that Trump supporters go mask off too often, this is what would have been destroying the party. But, it isn’t... Trump supporters just change the vernacular, so they do agree.
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He tried in the 90s... Why do you think he hates NYC and democrats so much? He tried this grift on democrats... it failed and despite him being an oligarch that reminisces about attending NYC elite dinners as his father’s guest, by the 90s... liberal elites in NYC rejected him. They took his money, gave him awards, but his social circle of NYC elites was headed by Epstein. That was the one NYC elite circle that didn’t just take his money.
He was even saying he wanted to be on a progressive ticket with Oprah... Trump before 9/11 and after, are the same slime, but from a different hole...
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You defended god damn Donald Trump... because he wasn’t a democrat. Let that sink in... while saying Trump would be great if he just had a D next to his name... You defend him because he doesn’t... It’s so biased, that it’s motherfucking Donald Trump... When Trump was talking about running on a liberal ticket in the 90s, why didn’t liberals, progressives or democrats embrace him, as you suggest? Why did they treat him like a slimy joke?
If this comprises part of the support that is on Trump side of the civil war, how can it be possible? It’s all rhetoric trying to save face and create distance. There will be no third party... there will be no fracture and need to refocus on policy... they just save face in front of the establishment that got put off by Trump and MTG, but then go on Fox and talk about about cancel culture.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
GOP lost the war against trump when he won the nomination for the 1st time. Its his party now, there is no real pushback. If he is semi functional when the next election comes around and he wants to, he will win the nomination.
The GOP didnt really offer any resistance because hes a distillation of their ultimate political program.
also why is anyone talking about democrats lol
People like you are exactly what's wrong with current era politics.
Voted with Trump 89.1% of the timefor example: Bill Cassidy
Voted with Trump 89.3% of the timeRichard Burr
Oh hey, you might have found one. Voted with Trump a measily 65.1% of the time.Susan Collins
Ah yes, the walking embodiment of evil. Wait...what's this? He voted with Trump 75% of the time.Mitt Romney
Just for kicks lets look at the Democrats people like to accuse of being republicans.
Krysten Sinema - Only 50.4%
Joe Manchin -- Interesting, the same 50.4%
To level set let's pick the real bootlickers and antagonists.
AOC - 17.4%
Matt Gaetz - Only 85% -- but in the current congress his score is 100%
So -- Richard Burr who you are claiming is a democrat voted with Trump more than Matt Gaetz did.
You are either deeply ignorant or willfully blind -- you can pick.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
I think the GOP splintering is something within the realm of realistic. Outside chance, of course, but there is a perfect storm brewing for it right now. Your point about Trump just seizing more control over the GOP and increasing their gains in 2022 is also probable. Very scary too.
The two party system makes any of the parties splitting highly unlikely especially since the right values power above all else. The hope that the GOP members who are silently complaining about Trump have is that Trump is boggled down by lawsuits and fades into the background. I don't see that happening because politics is the only way Trump has to make money now.
No traitor party civil war they are all pretty lock step with attacking any one who has not accepted trump as their lord and savior.
I agree with you, and there wouldn't be a worry at all, except that Trump is an irrational sociopath, and will seek power above all else, including dismissing the logic of NOT splitting the party so as to retain power. Trump does what he wants, and like Hitler, is surrounded by sycophants. So he will only get "advice" and "recommendations" that agree with his already determined ideas. That - or the people around him will fuel more irrational ideas.
We know he's starting up his own cable channel. We also know that the Trumps have secured high-ranking posts in the GOP Party Leadership. What's not clear is whether he will try to hold onto reigns of the GOP or start his own thing.
I dunno -- if there is one thing the GOP has shown is they desire power over anything else. There is internal strife over who will control the party but I think they'll fall in line behind whomever before they splinter and lose all their power.
We already see this in action -- McConnell's actions embody the whole "I'm fighting for control of this party with rhetoric but I sure ain't taking any direct actions against it."
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
The republican party isn't going to splinter into two big competing pieces. What may happen is that after Trump finishes his takeover of the party and installs his family members and lackeys into top positions within the party hierarchy, that some small moderate-ish parts splinter away. Its highly unlikely that those splinters would be big enough to run candidates but there would be some voter loss as some moderates jump ship, and either stop voting, vote third party, or vote moderate democrat.