The glory of this, Biden doesn't have to have the stomach for it, he shouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. All he has to do is appoint an Attorney General who will do their job.
If we let Trump off the hook after all this, we invite it to happen again and likely the next person won't be as incompetent as he is.
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You mean nominate an Attorney General. He already has: Merrick Garland. Good chance it'll be approved in the Senate too since apparently even McConnell approves of the pick. If he had a soul I'd say it's out of guilt for stealing the SCOTUS seat from him under Obama, but, yeah.
No soul there to be found, what McConnell wants to see if Trump off the field and the illusion of being fair and impartial so they don't get as big of a push to expand the courts which they need to do.
McConnell might be doing this because he is afraid of Manchin flipping and actually going with removing the filibuster if he tries the stuff he did under Obama.
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"Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.
I'm not going to be too-too active, this being a fast moving thread and my other commitments beg for my time. And, naturally, those other things are much more useful than debating politics from a right-wing perspective in a time of political rancor. But I'll give a tiny bit of these a go, with no promises for further answers or your satisfaction.
Trump lost. As far as votes go, it was fair and square. In the sense that Hillary claims she didn't lose fair and square, Trump can whine about censorship or deep state activity or whatnot that hurt his chance, but the deeper truth is that the vote in a Democracy is the ultimate decider and he lost the vote. And Trump ran a bad campaign, and his four years in power had several areas of failure and incompetence, but you get the picture.
I don't think he'll suffer criminal penalties for your 1-3, or much at all. Comey was a subordinate employee, and as we learn from the Mueller report, and incompetent manager of his team and seriously betrayed the principles of his office. He could've been fired for any reason or no reason at all. He exists at the pleasure of the President. A criminal inquiry just won't happen. He'd have to have been secretly recorded by a witness directing the firing for stated purposes of hiding criminal activity he confesses to, and it won't happen.
The Georgia phone call was impeachable conduct, but not legally a great problem. The investigation could be a headache for him, naturally. He basically says he presumed problems with the vote and he was seeking a remedy that he thought was justified, and there's ample evidence he thinks he's overturning fraud. He survives that one. Apologies if anyone is a lawyer from Georgia that has a more intimate knowledge of their state laws to speak at some extra legal jeopardy particular to Georgia and not shared with other states.
The only real *threat* is that the investigators poke around and there's something in past finances that we don't know already that actually was criminal. Not inflating figures on taxes, since naturally the IRS accepted their value and did not dispute after filing. He pays a monetary consequence if they say he improperly wrote off 3 million dollars that wasn't found. And sure, he deserves it. And don't go all "stranglehold on the IRS," since somebody literally committed a felony by releasing his records to the NYT. If you want obvious criminal behavior, that's an easy gimme.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
Hillary conceded the day after... Trump is still talking about winning the election by a landslide. Also, he lost the popular vote in 2016, launched an investigation into losing the popular vote, then ended it without revealing the results.
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The guy paid no taxes for nearly 20 years, claiming losses on government forms, but claiming increased value while signing loans. One of those is fraud... pick which one...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
I'm going to take a stab here...
Hillary conceded the day after. Intelligence agencies of the United States agree there was interference, from Russia, on behalf of Trump.
Comey was fired because of the Russia probe - Trump is literally on record saying as much. That's obstruction of justice.I don't think he'll suffer criminal penalties for your 1-3, or much at all. Comey was a subordinate employee, and as we learn from the Mueller report, and incompetent manager of his team and seriously betrayed the principles of his office. He could've been fired for any reason or no reason at all. He exists at the pleasure of the President. A criminal inquiry just won't happen. He'd have to have been secretly recorded by a witness directing the firing for stated purposes of hiding criminal activity he confesses to, and it won't happen.
He asked the SecState, on a call that was recorded, to "find me 12k votes". That's the definition of voter fraud. Hence the investigation.The Georgia phone call was impeachable conduct, but not legally a great problem. The investigation could be a headache for him, naturally. He basically says he presumed problems with the vote and he was seeking a remedy that he thought was justified, and there's ample evidence he thinks he's overturning fraud. He survives that one. Apologies if anyone is a lawyer from Georgia that has a more intimate knowledge of their state laws to speak at some extra legal jeopardy particular to Georgia and not shared with other states.
What does that even mean? The IRS doesn't wave their right to dispute values after filing - that's literally what an audit is for.The only real *threat* is that the investigators poke around and there's something in past finances that we don't know already that actually was criminal. Not inflating figures on taxes, since naturally the IRS accepted their value and did not dispute after filing. He pays a monetary consequence if they say he improperly wrote off 3 million dollars that wasn't found. And sure, he deserves it.
You have no idea if that's true. The law pivots on the person having the tax records in possession not legally able to have them to trigger the felony. If someone with the legal right to have those records gave them to the NYT, then publishing them wasn't a felony. And the NYT has an amazing legal department, so they probably vetted them before printing....since somebody literally committed a felony by releasing his records to the NYT. If you want obvious criminal behavior, that's an easy gimme.
What else ya got?
Everyone else already slapped your seemingly intentionally disingenuous post, but I've seen Airplane too many times not to join in.
This is false information. You either said something intentionally untrue (you are lying), or you posted on something despite knowing far too little about it. Trump has been under audit for a decade, and Trump claims even longer. (This doesn't stop him from releasing his taxes of course) Everyone here in these forums, which should have included you, knows this.
Please post constructively, and stop calling me Shirley.
77,377 new cases, about 32k fewer than 2 weeks ago.
Top 5:
New York: 9,051 new cases; 112 deaths
Texas: 7,813 new cases; 313 deaths
Fuck Florida.
California: 5,366 new cases; 384 deaths
New Jersey: 3,577 new cases; 70 deaths
Bit of a spike for New York today, though they also had one last week at about the same time. Unclear if it's a correction or just the way test processing is going there. The average drop for the past two weeks is about 16k which is slightly higher than what it was the past few days. Testing is increasing in Texas and they might be back at the level they were within a week, but until then consider their numbers underreported.
2,414 deaths is about 800 fewer than two weeks ago and brings the total to 520,785. That is again about a 400 drop average per week and chances remain good we'll be heading south of 2k more permanently by next week.
Related news:
Fauci: Whatever COVID-19 vaccine is available, 'take it'--Glad he came out and said it because I've been hearing rumblings (not just in the US) from people wanting to wait until better vaccines come along. Don't. Get it as soon as you're eligible. Don't become a fucking vaccine snob.
Stay safe, folks.
Ask questions, don’t like the answers, that’s politics in a nutshell I guess. But I think there’s enough discussion at the margins to not close up the shop with “but my opponent is arguing so disingenuously!!!11”
We can go around the pivot; from was the vote totals correct, to was it fair, to what it means to concede and whine for years after, to whine and inspire violence. The troubling thing about real slippery slopes is it’s a slope. And certain *passionate* individuals will always claim all context is whaboutism and all history deflects from the point (you’ll perhaps note no defense offered in the posts responding to my response to you, just pivots)
Literally, if all responses ignore context and just jab at some point they think is the big idea, I wonder why they try. Seriously. Respond to the allegations, don’t just dismiss and go on with what you wanted to say. Pretend that the phone call with Georgia was just a 12 second clip on its own. Ignore the plain law on employees of the IRS releasing an individuals tax return. Ignore, perhaps intentionally, my distinction on criminal tax complaints from merely “Trump pays a little more on previous tax returns” result of tax inquiry. He skates on 99% of what we know now, and everybody’s betting there’s some more hidden stuff that will come out and be criminal. That’s the plain truth.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
So y'all remember that scene in the Ten Commandments based on that book people are always talking about (I forget the name) where all the Israelites turn away from god and started worshipping a golden calf and that ended kinda badly for them?
Me neither but apropos of nothing, here's a picture of a gold plated statue of Trump that's gonna be adorning CPAC this year.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
This is on-brand for the modern GOP. This is why people say it's a cult.
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The phone call to Georgia wasn't just a 12-second comment, it was a long, long phone call where he did everything in his power to compel them to commit fraud to help him win.
And yes, context is important... this is you defending this bullshit, because he's your guy. The context is quite clear, you chose to push outright lies in order to shill for the man.
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