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    retroactive term limits on senate and the house

    Should we impose retroactive term limits on the house and the senate? It would be an effective way to get more new blood into the government and get corrupt politicians out. 4-6 year term limits on them would be effective at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    Should we impose retroactive term limits on the house and the senate?
    I'm interesting in hearing how you will get people to voluntarily vote for legislation that would remove them from office.
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    If people voted with actual principles, and supported the best people for the job... then this would be entirely unnecessary. If your problem is with incompetent and corrupt politicians who have nothing to offer, then blame the people who keep voting for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I'm interesting in hearing how you will get people to voluntarily vote for legislation that would remove them from office.
    More like this thread is a huge whataboutism.

    Jim Jordan has to be one of the grossest and most corrupt politicians currently. Conservative posters desperately do want people to notice this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    Should we impose retroactive term limits on the house and the senate? It would be an effective way to get more new blood into the government and get corrupt politicians out. 4-6 year term limits on them would be effective at it.
    You would run out of politicians too fast.

    I've thought about this myself and it's a good idea to combat what I call "political corruption" (ie. changing your vote not to anger your electorate for the next election, even if you are going against what's smart and sensible). Alas, the price you pay is less experienced politicians. That is, politicians who make bad decisions because they have no long term experience.
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    It's an unnecessary regulation since voters can simply not vote for a politician if they are not doing a good job. Or vote against them.

    You can always create a million different rules like this in order to control every aspect of government but it's just a distraction from the actual issues and policies that people care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I'm interesting in hearing how you will get people to voluntarily vote for legislation that would remove them from office.
    About as likely as them voting for campaign finance reform or getting rid of the ridiculous idea of corporate personhood.

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    Term limits are one of those things that sounds good in theory and in practice is a disaster. Removing people who have been in long enough to actually know how to get things done generally means you are stuck with lobbyists doing even more of the legislative work than is already happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    More like this thread is a huge whataboutism.
    It's also fantasy.

    I heard a really great analysis on the concept of term limits for Congress and the short version of a very long analysis is you basically trade the existing problems for new ones and you probably don't net out at a positive.

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    About as likely as them voting for campaign finance reform
    Yup. One of the largest flaws of representative government is anything that would require those representatives to votes for something not in their own self interest.

    or getting rid of the ridiculous idea of corporate personhood.
    This one, however, I think could be more attainable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    About as likely as them voting for campaign finance reform or getting rid of the ridiculous idea of corporate personhood.
    Corporate personhood is not ridiculous at all. Requiring large businesses to operate as sole proprietorships or partnerships is far more ridiculous than corporate personhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Corporate personhood is not ridiculous at all. Requiring large businesses to operate as sole proprietorships or partnerships is far more ridiculous than corporate personhood.
    The problem isn't with the notion of corporate personhood. The problem is that corporate personhood isn't =personhood. But the US justice system for purely corrupt reasons choses to apply the benefits of personhood to corporate personhood but none of the legal liabilities and obligations.

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    What's to stop politicians in their last term from selling their votes to the highest bidder? They won't have to face re-election so they may vote the way corporations want them to so they can get a job once their political career is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I'm interesting in hearing how you will get people to voluntarily vote for legislation that would remove them from office.
    Lol, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    Should we impose retroactive term limits on the house and the senate? It would be an effective way to get more new blood into the government and get corrupt politicians out. 4-6 year term limits on them would be effective at it.
    The revolving door would go even faster. Lobbyists would completely (instead of mostly) run the show. Politicians aren't corrupt and out of touch because they've been in DC for too long. It's not like it's in an alternate dimension where Representatives have no ability to remain connected to their voters. They are corrupt and out of touch because they spend up to half of their time dialing rich people for donations. Wealthy individuals, special interests, and corporations hold an outsized amount of power in our politics and term limits will not fix it- in fact, it would probably only exacerbate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Term limits are one of those things that sounds good in theory and in practice is a disaster. Removing people who have been in long enough to actually know how to get things done generally means you are stuck with lobbyists doing even more of the legislative work than is already happening.
    100% agree. If you fix the reasons behind politicians being corrupt and out of touch (to as much extent as you can), you also negate the need for term limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vercincor View Post
    What's to stop politicians in their last term from selling their votes to the highest bidder? They won't have to face re-election so they may vote the way corporations want them to so they can get a job once their political career is over.
    You think they don't already do this?

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    Not only is that not going to happen, it actually shows a lack of understanding about our system of government at a fundamental level.

    Our government is heavily borrowed from England's for obvious reasons (minus the monarchy), and essentially the House in the US is based on England's House of Commons, and the Senate on the House of Lords. The general idea being that the House in the US are the shorter-serving voice of the common-folk, vs. the Senate which are the long-serving "wise men" of the government. That's why bills go through both the House and Senate. It's the whole basis of the 2 house system check and balance system of government. If you're proposing Senate term limits, it tosses that foundation of our government out the window. Put more simply, the House is kind of the teenager asking for $20 to go out, and the Senate is the parent deciding if it's a good idea. There's a designed and intentional reason in our system of government that Senators are long-serving. The system is also designed so that Senators can vote on bills based on what's right for the country vs. worrying about an upcoming election, compared to Representatives that can be ousted pretty quickly if their constituents aren't happy with them.
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    It would certainly be nice. No person should be able to hold a specific position in political office for more than five years. I am still not sure how I feel about eight years of the Presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the game View Post
    Should we impose retroactive term limits on the house and the senate? It would be an effective way to get more new blood into the government and get corrupt politicians out. 4-6 year term limits on them would be effective at it.
    I thought the right was all about sending death threats to the "new blood".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    You think they don't already do this?
    Oh they do, but they have to be careful not to be too obvious about it. If they know they wont face any real consequences because they can't be voted out it would be much worse.

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    term limits should be a thing for congress being life long politicians shouldn't be a thing
    Well then get your shit together.
    Get it all together. And put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it’s together. And if you gotta take it somewhere, take it somewhere, you know, take it to the shit store and sell it, or put it in a shit museum, I don’t care what you do, you just gotta get it together.
    Get your shit together

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