Right-wing extremists responsible for majority of deadly terrorist attacks last year

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Maybe you could have read more and see the original claim.

Originalism in forum discussions isn't relevant. Particularly when the original original claim was about the right-wing origins of terrorist violence over the last few decades. If your point wasn't directly responding to the OP's first post, then you've acknowledged discussion had already drifted when you started talking about nationalism, and given that you were the one to shift to talking about authoritarianism, it's ridiculous for you to try and blame me for daring to respond to the things you actually said.

Which is all you're doing.

You can't defend what you said, so you're trying to shift goalposts and claim me scoring on the ones you set was invalid.

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You have no idea about all my political opinions though.

I just have to look at the political posts you make, here.

If those are honest, then yes, they're expressions of those political opinions; they're right here for me (and everyone) to see.

If they aren't, then congrats; you've been lying to everyone the whole time about who you are and what you believe. Do you want a cookie?

[Freighter]

I just have to look at the political posts you make, here.

They're not even anywhere close to any and all ideas Í support/oppose and definitely do not make for judging where I am on the political spectrum, lol. I'm farther to the left than the democratic party here now and they're centre-left/centrist, I used to be closer to centrism in the past than I am now. So trying to pin me as being right wing is just laughable when I've been moving to the left over the years as I've gotten older and more involved in politics in my country.

[Endus]

They're not even anywhere close to any and all ideas Í support/oppose and definitely do not make for judging where I am on the political spectrum, lol. I'm farther to the left than the democratic party here now and they're centre-left/centrist, I used to be closer to centrism in the past than I am now. So trying to pin me as being right wing is just laughable when I've been moving to the left over the years as I've gotten older and more involved in politics in my country.

Frankly, I'm more interested in the opinions you actually put forward than in your own, potentially biased or incomplete, self-reflection.

[Freighter]

Frankly, I'm more interested in the opinions you actually put forward than in your own, potentially biased or incomplete, self-reflection.

I don't discuss most political issues I discuss with people in real life though on this forum, because most people here don't know korean language(Which is the major reason why) and they don't know enough about the why's, how and when's of South Korean politics and history.

[downnola]

They're not even anywhere close to any and all ideas Í support/oppose and definitely do not make for judging where I am on the political spectrum, lol. I'm farther to the left than the democratic party here now and they're centre-left/centrist, I used to be closer to centrism in the past than I am now. So trying to pin me as being right wing is just laughable when I've been moving to the left over the years as I've gotten older and more involved in politics in my country.

There's more to the political spectrum than where you stand on corporations and tax rates. You don't have to take more than a casual glance at your post history to uncover some pretty absurdly reactionary political opinions.

[Freighter]

There's more to the political spectrum than where you stand on corporations and tax rates. You don't have to take more than a casual glance at your post history to uncover some pretty absurdly reactionary political opinions.

Such as?

My support for same-sex marriage? My support for universal healthcare? Education should be free? Normal people shouldn't be allowed to keep guns at home? More welfare to people who can't work because of being sick?

Or me complaining about the democratic party here for being stupid about how they went about their attempt at passing anti-discrimination laws which got shot down by the conservatives?

[Endus]

I don't discuss most political issues I discuss with people in real life though on this forum, because most people here don't know korean language(Which is the major reason why) and they don't know enough about the why's, how and when's of South Korean politics and history.

Which is fair, and I'm not criticizing that.

I'm simply stating that if you express right-wing views a lot, I'm gonna assume you're right-wing in outlook, because that's all you're showing me. You insisting that you're left-wing is . . . not relevant to that. At best, it creates a conflict; do I believe your self-reflection on your own position, or do I believe the objective principles you've specifically expressed? That conflict doesn't tell me I'm wrong, it tells me you're either misrepresenting things somehow, or that you're not clear on your own views and their alignment, or that some of your views are right-wing and others aren't, etc. It doesn't actually contradict the fact that you've expressed right-wing stances. Just that you don't like admitting it.

Again; I don't presume anything is a clear-cut binary on this stuff. People can be right-wing on some issues, and left-wing on others. So saying "but I'm left-wing on these OTHER issues!" isn't actually a counter-argument. It just means you're a complex individual who has a varied set of ideological principles, like everyone else.

[Freighter]

Which is fair, and I'm not criticizing that.

I'm simply stating that if you express right-wing views a lot, I'm gonna assume you're right-wing in outlook, because that's all you're showing me. You insisting that you're left-wing is . . . not relevant to that. At best, it creates a conflict; do I believe your self-reflection on your own position, or do I believe the objective principles you've specifically expressed? That conflict doesn't tell me I'm wrong, it tells me you're either misrepresenting things somehow, or that you're not clear on your own views and their alignment, or that some of your views are right-wing and others aren't, etc. It doesn't actually contradict the fact that you've expressed right-wing stances. Just that you don't like admitting it.

Except people are calling me right wing. Not that I'm left wing that have expressed right wing stances on some issues.

[Endus]

Except people are calling me right wing. Not that I'm left wing that have expressed right wing stances on some issues.

Again, if all you present here is strong defenses of right-wing positions, that's what people are going to use to figure you out.

If that's an inaccurate description, maybe consider what you're choosing to defend and how you're presenting yourself or your views.

[Orange Joe]

Except people are calling me right wing. Not that I'm left wing that have expressed right wing stances on some issues.

people call you right wing because you defend and spew right wing ideology. Maybe you should take a better look at what you say or just admit maybe you ARE right wing?

[Freighter]

people call you right wing because you defend and spew right wing ideology. Maybe you should take a better look at what you say or just admit maybe you ARE right wing?

Maybe you should give some examples then.

[downnola]

Such as?

My support for same-sex marriage? My support for universal healthcare? Education should be free? Normal people shouldn't be allowed to keep guns at home? More welfare to people who can't work because of being sick?

Or me complaining about the democratic party here for being stupid about how they went about their attempt at passing anti-discrimination laws which got shot down by the conservatives?

You spent most of the George Floyd thread cheering on the American police state because of looting at some of the protests and then claimed poor people are only poor because "of wasteful spending and they're bad with money." I've also seen you support the death penalty. I'm also pretty sure I've seen you defend restrictive immigration policy for culture reasons or some shit.

But hey, you're definitely tipping the scale by supporting welfare for people that can't work for health reasons and free university.

[Orange Joe]

Maybe you should give some examples then.

Now granted. Having looked I wouldn't say you are right wing. I wouldn't say you are left either. You seem more center to me, but if someones only interaction with you happened in those posts it would be easy to think you are right wing.

[Freighter]

I'm also pretty sure I've seen you defend restrictive immigration policy for culture reasons or some shit.

Protip: South Korea isn't USA, don't try to apply how your political parties function to parties that exist in other countries. The right wing here are the ones who wants immigration, the left are the ones opposing it. Why does the right wing want immigration? Workers for the companies to exploit for slave wages and poor working conditions, they don't know the systems here so they have a hard time doing anything if the employer fucks with them. They love the migrants because of this.

Who passed the more restrictive refugee law because of 500 yemeni on jeju? Not the right wing, it was the left. Our law's around refugees were already pretty strict and they made them even stricter.

[Orange Joe]

Protip: South Korea isn't USA, don't try to apply how your political parties function to parties that exist in other countries. The right wing here are the ones who wants immigration, the left are the ones opposing it. Why does the right wing want immigration? Workers for the companies to exploit for slave wages. Who passed the more restrictive refugee law because of 500 yemeni on jeju? Not the right wing, it was the left. Our law's around refugees were already pretty strict and they made them even stricter.

Pro tip: these boards aren't based on SK political ideology, which is why you are probably confused.

[masterhorus8]

Pro tip: these boards aren't based on SK political ideology, which is why you are probably confused.

I'm confused... Are they saying that you're calling them a right wing based on SK political ideology because they've posted they defend racism and nationalism, then follow up with saying that right wing based on SK political ideology is the exact opposite of what they support?

[downnola]

Protip: South Korea isn't USA, don't try to apply how your political parties function to parties that exist in other countries. The right wing here are the ones who wants immigration, the left are the ones opposing it. Why does the right wing want immigration? Workers for the companies to exploit for slave wages and poor working conditions, they don't know the systems here so they have a hard time doing anything if the employer fucks with them. They love the migrants because of this.

Who passed the more restrictive refugee law because of 500 yemeni on jeju? Not the right wing, it was the left. Our law's around refugees were already pretty strict and they made them even stricter.

I like how you tell me not to project American politics on other countries then proceed to explain how you're projecting South Korean politics on everyone else. In a discussion of left-right political definitions, how your party votes means jack shit to what a left or right wing position is.

I also don't buy that you oppose immigration because you care that people are going to be exploited. If that was the case you'd just oppose exploitation of the working class instead of trying to keep people from migrating to your country.

[Orange Joe]

I'm confused... Are they saying that you're calling them a right wing based on SK political ideology because they've posted they defend racism and nationalism, then follow up with saying that right wing based on SK political ideology is the exact opposite of what they support?

No she is saying she don't understand why she is being called right wing when SK politics places her on the left.

I mean you can look up a couple post to see my opinion of whether she is right/center/left

[masterhorus8]

No she is saying she don't understand why she is being called right wing when SK politics places her on the left.

I mean you can look up a couple post to see my opinion of whether she is right/center/left

Okay, I just misread what they posted then. Yeah, they're clearly right-wing based on standard political compass and even the heavily skewed US political compass... Upper right, if going by the quadrants.

[Freighter]

Okay, I just misread what they posted then. Yeah, they're clearly right-wing based on standard political compass and even the heavily skewed US political compass... Upper right, if going by the quadrants.

Political compass?



This one?