5,800 Workers Voting to Unionize Their Amazon Facility

[Felya]

It's the truth though, even if it's not a great argument in today's zeitgeist.

No, it’s how you feel... it’s not the truth.

[Elegiac]

It's the truth though, even if it's not a great argument in today's zeitgeist.

Apply your same argument to colonialism, indentured servitude, and slavery, and you'll see why it's neither true nor was a great argument in a previous zeitgeist. Rofl.

The irony in people insisting they're progressive when they cling to 19th century ideology.

[Edge-]

It's the truth though, even if it's not a great argument in today's zeitgeist.

So its their fault, and not the fault of companies for exploiting the fuck outta their workers?

[Felya]

Apply your same argument to colonialism, indentured servitude, and slavery, and you'll see why it's neither true nor was a great argument in a previous zeitgeist. Rofl.

The irony in people insisting they're progressive when they cling to 19th century ideology.

“Classic liberal”... also known as, far right conservatives who recognize how shitty far right conservatives are...

[Edge-]

I'll explain it to you with an example:

Situation A:
Greedy capitalists: "Bend over and sell me your daughters!"
Droves of people: "Yes, yes! Here you go! Of course, masters!"

Situation B:
Greedy capitalists: "Bend over and sell me your daughters!"
Droves of people: "No? Fuck you?"

Which ones are to blame more than the others when they get exploited? The people in Situation A or in Situation B?

I'll let you think about that one for a while while I go fix lunch.

This is such a bad strawman take I don't even know where to begin.

[Elegiac]

Which ones are to blame more than the others when they get exploited?

Still the greedy capitalists.

Victim blaming is kind of cringe, tbh. Your arguments are a direct rehash of those used to justify slavery. "If slavery were actually that bad why weren't they rebelling all the time?" is a common trope in Southern revisionist arguments.

[Felya]

I'll explain it to you with an example:

Try that example with food... medicine... anything that actually impacts every human being, instead of memes.

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This is such a bad strawman take I don't even know where to begin.

First you establish how memes are a necessity for human existence.

[downnola]

It's their step dad's fault.

"Papa made me sweep the factory floor for a whole week! Before he made me Director of Inside Sales after graduating from Uni."

That's metric levels of coercion.

It kind of reminds me of Glenn Greenwald openly claiming Tucker Carlson, Trump, Marine La Pen, and Steve Bannon are socialists. Defending capitalist economies with anti-immigrant borders is Socialist*

https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/03/g...alik-populism/

[Edge-]

It kind of reminds me of Glenn Greenwald openly claiming Tucker Carlson, Trump, Marine La Pen, and Steve Bannon are socialists. Defending capitalist economies with anti-immigrant borders is Socialist*

https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/03/g...alik-populism/

The son of oligarchs is a socialist...man, it's like Greenwald is determined to know he's literally fucking retarded. By choice.

[downnola]

The son of oligarchs is a socialist...man, it's like Greenwald is determined to know he's literally fucking retarded. By choice.

If you want in the club you only have to pass a few tests:

Want to own the libs.
Don't want the Kochs shipping in tons of migrants to take your jobs.
Shill for Assad and other autocrats with a laundry list of human rights violations.

Hit all three and you're in!

[Breccia]

This is such a bad strawman take I don't even know where to begin.

Admit it, yes you do.

[Milchshake]

It kind of reminds me of Glenn Greenwald openly claiming Tucker Carlson, Trump, Marine La Pen, and Steve Bannon are socialists. Defending capitalist economies with anti-immigrant borders is Socialist*

https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/03/g...alik-populism/

Right populism in a nut shell.

Always on the anti-immigrant brand. Well, when they're constantly trying to rebrand themselves to their embarrassed friends and families.

[Elegiac]

Wait, wait...

You are comparing:
A) being kidnapped from your home, sailed across half the planet on a boat where a quarter of your fellow prisoners don't even survive the trip, being beating into submission and forced into a collar to work and forever imprisoned with...

B) someone walking up to an employer and saying: "I want the job"

People have been cancelled for less, mate.

You're the one claiming the oppressed are to blame for insufficiently resisting their oppression, mate, not me. Lol.

[Edge-]

Just because you don't like the answer

The answer of, "The victims of exploitation are the ones responsible for their exploitation"?

Yeah, I don't like that answer. Because that's some Victim Blaming 101.

[Breccia]

A quick check at a few sites suggested that these workers are paid about $15/hour. Which, especially considering the location, seems higher than minimum wage.

Admittedly this was listed as the average, not the entry-level. I couldn't find that info.

Anyhow, $15/hour is about $30k a year and half the average American salary. While I'm not convinced a warehouse staffer needs to make enough to buy a BMW, "half of average" doesn't seem all that stellar after all the work Amazon did during the pandemic.

Hopefully workers and management can come to a mutually-beneficial arrangement without a strike, which let's be honest, would create a panic. The workers may or may not have a solid gripe, not sure on the details, but they do have a pretty substantial hostage.

[Elegiac]

So should we make prostitution illegal again too? After all, clearly none of these women are doing it voluntarily according to you?

I've no idea where you are getting this silly argument from. Pointing out that blaming exploited people for their exploitation is cringe has fuck all to do with whether or not sex work should be banned.

Sex workers should have unions too, quite frankly.

[shimerra]

So should we make prostitution illegal again too? After all, clearly none of these women are doing it voluntarily according to you? What about kids taking on summer vacation jobs or mowing lawns in the neighbourhood to make a bit of extra money? Is that bad too?

Just admit that the issue is complicated and there are no easy answers, as I did.
You're trying a bit too hard at "being a progressive" instead of acknowledging obvious truths.

You clearly just have no idea what words mean because you literally just did a textbook example of a strawman. Again.


Just admit you're in over your head you armchair insurrectionist. Because god knows you lack the conviction to act.

[Breccia]

you lack the conviction to act.

How do you know that? He hasn't gone to trial yet.

[gondrin]

A quick check at a few sites suggested that these workers are paid about $15/hour. Which, especially considering the location, seems higher than minimum wage.

Admittedly this was listed as the average, not the entry-level. I couldn't find that info.

Anyhow, $15/hour is about $30k a year and half the average American salary. While I'm not convinced a warehouse staffer needs to make enough to buy a BMW, "half of average" doesn't seem all that stellar after all the work Amazon did during the pandemic.

Hopefully workers and management can come to a mutually-beneficial arrangement without a strike, which let's be honest, would create a panic. The workers may or may not have a solid gripe, not sure on the details, but they do have a pretty substantial hostage.

Well, they have had a $15/hour minimum for a couple of years now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amaz...employees.html

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So should we make prostitution illegal again too? After all, clearly none of these women are doing it voluntarily according to you? What about kids taking on summer vacation jobs or mowing lawns in the neighbourhood to make a bit of extra money? Is that bad too?

Just admit that the issue is complicated and there are no easy answers, as I did.
You're trying a bit too hard at "being a progressive" instead of acknowledging obvious truths.

Well, as far as prostitution goes, in all 50 states EXCEPT in the rural parts of Nevada, it is illegal. Just not on the federal level unless you are trafficking people across state borders to sell sex which should always be illegal.

[Breccia]

Well, they have had a $15/hour minimum for a couple of years now.

Huh. Job posting sites like indeed.com and payscale.com are saying the average is $15/hour and go "up to" 17 or 18. If the minimum is $15, that implies a lot of part timers.