Why can't we have Valor like we had in Mist and Wod

[Legends303]

Being tied to all of your endgame gear instead of locking it behind Mythic + , this makes the valor system convoluted or better yet like we in had in Wrath the actually add a vender with gear locked to it. I mean Blizzard just creates this systems just to waste our time.

[Kehego]

Being tied to all of your endgame gear instead of locking it behind Mythic + , this makes the valor system convoluted or better yet like we in had in Wrath the actually add a vender with gear locked to it. I mean Blizzard just creates this systems just to waste our time.

because valor vendor gear was bad for most players and it gave lowest hanging fruit players gear for nothing.

just get good

[HatsHatsHats]

Being tied to all of your endgame gear instead of locking it behind Mythic + , this makes the valor system convoluted or better yet like we in had in Wrath the actually add a vender with gear locked to it. I mean Blizzard just creates this systems just to waste our time.

Completely agree, M+ is a flawed system that forces people to do dungeons they don't want to do with random keys and affixes that are absolute cancer depending on class makeup of your group

Bring back challenging heroics with badges!

[deenman]

Completely agree, M+ is a flawed system that forces people to do dungeons they don't want to do with random keys and affixes that are absolute cancer depending on class makeup of your group

Bring back challenging heroics with badges!

m+ is challenging ''heroics'', the old valor system was simply flawed,no matter how challenging you make those heroics eventualy they become to easy,and like wrath you give insane gear or huge upgrades to people wile they do nothing bascialy

[Azerate]

Because then the game would turn into a currency grind with a shopping list.

challenging heroics with badges!

Uhh...no. Heroic dungeons are fine the way they are. Overall the difficulty spectrum is great because people searching for different kinds of difficulty are catered to.

[Relapses]

Completely agree, M+ is a flawed system that forces people to do dungeons they don't want to do with random keys and affixes that are absolute cancer depending on class makeup of your group

Bring back challenging heroics with badges!

Spotted the guy who sucks at M+.

[Razion]

Valor gear upgrades didn't work before because people complained gear wasn't useful until you upgraded it. It was especially problematic in Mists when you had to reforge ("why can't all gear of all stats be useful - why does gear have to be reforged in order to be useful?" "the reforging is automated by an addon, what's the point?"). On top of enchanting and gemming gear there were a lot of steps before anything that dropped could actually ever be usable. There were too many steps to making gear just usable when it immediately dropped. This is why the valor upgrade model was removed and why it didn't work before. People also didn't like so many of your gear choices being tied to the vendor, reducing the amount of gear that dropped in raids being good - as you had valor slots occupied and better, therefore resulting in "dead slots" and "dead gear" whenever something in those occupied slots would drop.

[Pakheth]

I honestly miss the times with gear on the vendor and badges/Valor/etc because then you knew that your time spent would eventually be rewarded.

I would rather do difficult dungeons without a time limit(which is the nr 1 reason I dislike M+, it stresses me out) and slowly build up a currency than suffer through M+.

It wouldn't be hard to implement either.
Just make M+ and raids (normal/heroic/mythic) reward more currency than f.ex. heroic dungeons, just like how PvP currencies work now.

But that's just my opinion.

[Relapses]

I honestly miss the times with gear on the vendor and badges/Valor/etc because then you knew that your time spent would eventually be rewarded.

I would rather do difficult dungeons without a time limit(which is the nr 1 reason I dislike M+, it stresses me out) and slowly build up a currency than suffer through M+.

It wouldn't be hard to implement either.
Just make M+ and raids (normal/heroic/mythic) reward more currency than f.ex. heroic dungeons, just like how PvP currencies work now.

But that's just my opinion.

And how would you avoid players burning themselves out by grinding 24/7 to get their shopping list completed then promptly quitting the game?

[Pakheth]

And how would you avoid players burning themselves out by grinding 24/7 to get their shopping list completed then promptly quitting the game?

Well not all gear will be on the vendor, you know just like how it was in TBC(badge gear), Wotlk(some tier parts)and MoP(some tier parts).
Like only have some parts of a tier set on the vendor, like gloves or boots, rest are obtainable in the actual raid. It's a nice carrot to complete the set.

Worked before so why not again?

[darklogrus]

Because then the game would turn into a currency grind with a shopping list..

Hahahahah, but thats exactly what it is now....

[Relapses]

Well not all gear will be on the vendor, you know just like how it was in TBC(badge gear), Wotlk(some tier parts)and MoP(some tier parts).
Like only have some parts of a tier set on the vendor, like gloves or boots, rest are obtainable in the actual raid. It's a nice carrot to complete the set.

Worked before so why not again?

It worked at a point in time where M+ didn't exist as an alternative to raiding. A vendor with "off set" gear would still devalue gear in general (and would definitely make gear from M+ feel even worse than it does already) which is exactly why Blizzard doesn't like this idea.

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Hahahahah, but thats exactly what it is now....

Brother, gear is still random. You can't upgrade an item you don't have.

[Thelxi]

This is more lucrative.

[MrLachyG]

Being tied to all of your endgame gear instead of locking it behind Mythic + , this makes the valor system convoluted or better yet like we in had in Wrath the actually add a vender with gear locked to it. I mean Blizzard just creates this systems just to waste our time.

we never had Valor points in WoD

oops, I was wrong lol

[ohwell]

I honestly miss the times with gear on the vendor and badges/Valor/etc because then you knew that your time spent would eventually be rewarded.

I would rather do difficult dungeons without a time limit(which is the nr 1 reason I dislike M+, it stresses me out) and slowly build up a currency than suffer through M+.

It wouldn't be hard to implement either.
Just make M+ and raids (normal/heroic/mythic) reward more currency than f.ex. heroic dungeons, just like how PvP currencies work now.

But that's just my opinion.

You're getting more gear with great vault than you typically did with a valor vendor. Just stop.

[grandgato]

we never had Valor points in WoD

They were brought back at the end of WOD.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_6.2.3

[Ethas]

You're getting more gear with great vault than you typically did with a valor vendor. Just stop.

Don’t know about you but for some reason fingers/trinkets are only things that drop from the vault for me. I maxed them out long ago so the vault is not upgrading me at all each week.

[ohwell]

Don’t know about you but for some reason fingers/trinkets are only things that drop from the vault for me. I maxed them out long ago so the vault is not upgrading me at all each week.

That's nice. Unlike when there was a valor vendor you can also upgrade up to heroic raid level gear from 5 player content as well. A valor vendor isn't needed nor warranted.

[valax]

to waste our time.

That's the name of the game

[Short]

cause people feel entitled to deny others whom they don't deem worthy access to gear on a comparable level to themselves, regardless of if it impacts their gameplay/fun in any way, shape or form.