Stars Are Flirting With the Far Right

[Milchshake]

Yes, because the left keeping out the right-wing concern trolls is next-level gatekeeping.....I guess you would like this to be true because you would be the prime beneficiary of such a ridiculous assertion.

Just like the old days. Neo Nazis would always try to crash a nice punk or ska concert. We had to bounce that trash out too.

Ima write "gatekeeper" on my orange laces.

[Edge-]

This hits the nail on the head.

The guy buying a multi-million dollar Beverly Hills mansion is a socialist?

[Shadowferal]

This hits the nail on the head.

Wow...someone actually agrees with him?

First time for everything I guess. But as a check you should reconsider your position.

[downnola]

The guy buying a multi-million dollar Beverly Hills mansion is a socialist?

Yes, now make sure you like and subscribe to his Youtube for more content.

[Edge-]

Yes, now make sure you like and subscribe to his Youtube for more content.

I'm totally here to crowdfund Beverly Hills mansions for socialists. And teenage Minecraft YouTubers.

[JohnBrown1917]

Is this another thread where Milschake, one of the more conservative posters, pretends to be left-wing?
Oh no, my bad, I ment cosplay as a leftist.

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Faux leftists who are actually neoliberals hate lefties like Jimmy Dore because they'll criticize the Democrat party and have conversations with a person on the right. It makes their head explode.

People who are to the right of even neo-liberals pretending to understand leftism is also a joke. In leftist circles, outside nazbolls, nobody either has any fucking idea who Dore is or hate him.

[PC2]

People who are to the right of even neo-liberals pretending to understand leftism is also a joke. In leftist circles, outside nazbolls, nobody either has any fucking idea who Dore is or hate him.

It's really simple, leftism is about egalitarianism and disadvantaged people getting equal and fair treatment.

My point in this thread is that you if are reasoning about what a person says at the level of ideas then it doesn't matter in the slightest if a "crypto" right or left winger labels and markets themselves as the opposite. They will either have a good or bad idea and then you'll either agree or disagree with them and then debate why that is the case and maybe you'll convince them that they are wrong. It literally doesn't matter if there is a bunch of "infiltrators" because it doesn't change the content of what they are saying. Worrying about people, groups, associations, "secret motives", and "sinister alliances" instead of the underlying issues and points they care about is a waste of time unless you subscribe to some kind of Machiavellian worldview.

[beanman12345]

What is it, is AOC/Bernie communists, or are they neolib's who disagee with Jimmy Dore?

Extreme right wingers are so sad in their confusion.

[wunksta]

It's really simple, leftism is about egalitarianism and disadvantaged people getting equal and fair treatment.

My point in this thread is that you if are reasoning about what a person says at the level of ideas then it doesn't matter in the slightest if a "crypto" right or left winger labels and markets themselves as the opposite. They will either have a good or bad idea and then you'll either agree or disagree with them and then debate why that is the case and maybe you'll convince them that they are wrong. It literally doesn't matter if there is a bunch of "infiltrators" because it doesn't change the content of what they are saying. Worrying about people, groups, "secret motives", and "sinister alliances" instead of the underlying issues and points they care about is a waste of time unless you subscribe to some kind of Machiavellian worldview.

If people are operating in bad faith, it doesn't do any good to debate them. Doing so only provides a platform where they can try and muddy the waters.

[Felya]

People who are to the right of even neo-liberals pretending to understand leftism is also a joke. In leftist circles, outside nazbolls, nobody either has any fucking idea who Dore is or hate him.

You know when you were losing your shit, demanding AOC and all the progressives in congress be primaried, through force the vote? When you scroll down on that site... you see that Jimmy Dore logo? Yeah... he is the puppeteer or financier... depending on how you want to look at it...

[JohnBrown1917]

Just like the old days. Neo Nazis would always try to crash a nice punk or ska concert. We had to bounce that trash out too.

Ima write "gatekeeper" on my orange laces.

Liberal punks? Now I've seen everything. Or are you mistaking your favorite indie folk rock bands for punk bands?

[Felya]

Liberal punks? Now i've seen everything.

You might want to check Jello for Mayor campaign... just sayin’...

Edit: Check that... check him running against Nader for Green Party in the 90s... that’s a better example...

Edit 2: Getting off on a tangent here... but, you might want to familiarize your self with American punk from NYC:



Guess what the name of the album means and the year it was released... he isn’t singing about robots in disguise...

[downnola]

You might want to check Jello for Mayor campaign... just sayin’...

Edit: Check that... check him running against Nader for Green Party in the 90s... that’s a better example...

Edit 2: Getting off on a tangent here... but, you might want to familiarize your self with American punk from NYC:



Guess what the name of the album means and the year it was released... he isn’t singing about robots in disguise...

So the Dead Kennedys were really just singing about means-testing welfare the whole time? That's disappointing...

[Jettisawn]

As a leftist one of my pet projects has been to point out how certain podcasters and youtubers have been trying to grift the Left in bad faith. Here's an interesting and well researched article. We have been seeing this shift in real time, now read from someone who’s chronicled it.



Over the past year, as the far right trafficked in wild anti-masker and pro-Donald Trump fantasies that led to the Jan. 6 putsch on the Capitol, some prominent members of the “Dirtbag Left” and radical left have been promoting figureheads in the Boogaloo movement, circulating “deep state” conspiracies, and bantering about “great replacement” talking points—ones that can sometimes sound an awful lot like the fever dreams of the alt-right.

Take, for instance, Jimmy Dore, the populist YouTuber and member of the Movement for a Peoples Party’s Advisory Council. He recently courted a public-relations disaster when he offered a platform to Magnus Panvidya, a member of the Boogaloo Boys, a militant group that threatened violence ahead of Biden’s inauguration. Emerging into the public eye last spring during right-wing anti-lockdown protests, the heavily armed Boogaloo Boys have promoted attacks against state and government officials in retaliation for COVID safety restrictions. But Panvidya, who sports a rainbow flag in his Twitter bio, offered the movement a more palatable pro-LGBT and anti-racist face. (Panvidya also has tweeted that Kyle Rittenhouse, the Trump supporter who shot three men, killing two of them, during turbulent anti-racism protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, over the summer, “was in his right to defend himself.”)

During the interview with Dore, titled “Radical Michigan Anarchist Seeks Unity With the Left,” Panvidya posed in front of a rainbow “Don’t Tread On Me” flag and talked about why the Boogaloos are anti-cop. He asserted, “It is the top versus the bottom, it is not the left versus the right.” Dore then listed the things they agree about: “We would agree on the war, we would agree on the corporate control of our government, we would agree on police brutality. We’re not going to agree on the Second Amendment… you know what, I tell you what, I go back and forth on the Second Amendment.”



IMO they're not flirting with the Far Right. They were always Ron Paul fans that used Anti-Establishment branding. In an effort to colonize and grift from more gullible leftists.

If this is one of your pet projects instead of actually helping those in need at this time. Then there is your problem.

Congratulations you found a biased opinion piece of someone I actually dislike, but forcing me to point out how much of another feckless and pointless thread this is. I get you want to cultivate a (BLUE) can do no evil mindset here. However, it's simple not even close to true, and you spending all your time vilifying those who want things like a living wage, Universal Healthcare, and is actually critical of democrats shows you care more about being part of a team then actual policy that can help people.

[JohnBrown1917]

So the Dead Kennedys were really just singing about means-testing welfare the whole time? That's disappointing...

Can't forgot all the great punk songs about how amazing capitalism is.

[PC2]

If people are operating in bad faith, it doesn't do any good to debate them.

People truly believe in their ideas 99% of the time so bad faith is rare even though it does happen. Can you give an example of an argument that Magnus Panvidya made in bad faith to Jimmy Dore where he was just trying to deceive people regarding his true position?

Also, even a bad faith person could be convinced by your good arguments so all you're really doing is cutting yourself off from a larger audience and leaving them open to folks like Jimmy Dore who will benefit from exposure to new subscribers.

Doing so only provides a platform where they can try and muddy the waters.

Reality is muddy unless you're a person who wants to believe that everything is crystal clear. Some people will maintain their dislike of other people at any cost so that they can continue believing that their position is the only reasonable position. Not that this is unique to progressives in any way since racists/homophobes/etc do the exact same thing.

[Elegiac]

People truly believe in their ideas 99% of the time so bad faith almost never happens.

Do you actually have evidence of this claim or are you just pulling it out of your ass before arguing as if it's a given that everyone agrees with?

Ironically enough for a post that claims bad faith arguments almost never happen, rofl.

[Felya]

Can't forgot all the great punk songs about how amazing capitalism is.

Was socialism part of Jello’s mayoral or presidential campaigns? NYC punk is what ya’ll call neoliberal identity politics... because back then, you could pretend those identities didn’t exist.

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If this is one of your pet projects instead of actually helping those in need at this time. Then there is your problem.

Congratulations you found a biased opinion piece of someone I actually dislike, but forcing me to point out how much of another feckless and pointless thread this is. I get you want to cultivate a (BLUE) can do no evil mindset here. However, it's simple not even close to true, and you spending all your time vilifying those who want things like a living wage, Universal Healthcare, and is actually critical of democrats shows you care more about being part of a team then actual policy that can help people.

Forced? Really? Was Jimmy forced to demand that every progressive in congress be primaried, then platform boogaloos?

[Sorshen]

Why are you all falling for Milchshake's shitposting again and again and again?

[Felya]

Why are you all falling for Milchshake's shitposting again and again and again?

I don’t know... the posts that followed, do seem to justify it...