[TV] WandaVision

[Jotaux]

Why is it that the anti-SJWs, who hate strong women, don't generally hate WandaVision that much?

These people certainly hate the latest Star Wars trilogy, the latest Terminator, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Batwoman, etc.; Wanda ends up more powerful than the female leads of the aforementioned titles combined, yet she somehow (mostly) escapes the hate?

Can't speak for a lot of that but people hate the latest star wars trilogy because TLJ is the worst movie ever made.

[sykoex]

Do you think the ending was supposed to parallel when Thanos secluded himself after doing the snap?

Now I'm wondering if some super hero like Captain Marvel will find Wanda and kill her for what she did to the people of Westview.

[Kathandira]

Why is it that the anti-SJWs, who hate strong women, don't generally hate WandaVision that much?

These people certainly hate the latest Star Wars trilogy, the latest Terminator, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Batwoman, etc.; Wanda ends up more powerful than the female leads of the aforementioned titles combined, yet she somehow (mostly) escapes the hate?

It was explained how she received her powers, and how she doesn't know how to use them, until she is taught how to.

Unlike some other Mary Sue's who just find out they have powers and go nuts with it.

Though I will say, she does start using her powers in ways that she was not taught, it just doesn't feel as Mary Sue as some other offenders.

[Fabinas]

Can't speak for a lot of that but people hate the latest star wars trilogy because TLJ is the worst movie ever made.

LOL.

People hate the ST because of the unoriginality, lack of cohesion and blatant fan service those 3 movies had.

[Jotaux]

LOL.

People hate the ST because of the unoriginality, lack of cohesion and blatant fan service those 3 movies had.

TLJ was basically the opposite of unoriginal, it was all about subverting expectations. It succeeded in that at least, I expected it to be good.

[formerShandalay]

It was explained how she received her powers, and how she doesn't know how to use them, until she is taught how to.

Unlike some other Mary Sue's who just find out they have powers and go nuts with it.

Though I will say, she does start using her powers in ways that she was not taught, it just doesn't feel as Mary Sue as some other offenders.

Well, she kind of caused a catastrophe and made lots of people rightfully hate her and I personally think it's not just 'power overwhelming' that makes a character a Mary Sue, it's the whole package of a character who can do no wrong and is equally liked by everyone plus the 'most powerful and in control of said power without much training'-trait.
Wanda has been an Avenger for years and used her power in smaller ways than in Wanda Vision a lot, so she has had exercise with using it, but no knowledge about it and no training, which is why in her crisis it got out of control and she wasn't able to bring it back under control just by herself. It's bit like with the Hulk I think, just with grief instead of anger.

[cyberglum]

Why is it that the anti-SJWs, who hate strong women, don't generally hate WandaVision that much?

These people certainly hate the latest Star Wars trilogy, the latest Terminator, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Batwoman, etc.; Wanda ends up more powerful than the female leads of the aforementioned titles combined, yet she somehow (mostly) escapes the hate?

Because we've seen her develop over time. We've seen her do cool things to earn the viewers respect. She's "earned her stripes" so to speak.

[Fabinas]

TLJ was basically the opposite of unoriginal, it was all about subverting expectations. It succeeded in that at least, I expected it to be good.

First part was unoriginal, 2nd had no cohesion with the first and the 3rd was a blatant fan service.

Thought you'd get the pattern. And i'm not a fan of the "subvert expectations" meme. I quite liked the movie, if we exclude the silly space hunt and the casino arc

[ThatsOurEric]

My initial impressions on the show, having completed it was that it was okay at best, but left
a lot of wasted potential opportunities (as a lot of Marvel shows and films have done) in
setting up new characters as well as connecting old ones to their comic counterpart.

Didn't care for the villain being Agatha. There are other bigger name Marvel villains and villainesses
that use magic that would've made for a much better antagonist. Big waste for them not to mention
Chthon either and not talk more about The Darkhold as well.

[Kathandira]

Well, she kind of caused a catastrophe and made lots of people rightfully hate her and I personally think it's not just 'power overwhelming' that makes a character a Mary Sue, it's the whole package of a character who can do no wrong and is equally liked by everyone plus the 'most powerful and in control of said power without much training'-trait.
Wanda has been an Avenger for years and used her power in smaller ways than in Wanda Vision a lot, so she has had exercise with using it, but no knowledge about it and no training, which is why in her crisis it got out of control and she wasn't able to bring it back under control just by herself. It's bit like with the Hulk I think, just with grief instead of anger.

I believe we were shown what happens in Age of Ultron when her loses control of her emotions. When her brother died, and she fell to her knees screaming, she eradicated a bunch of enemies.

Which is how the hex happened. I feel like that is enough explanation for her absolute power, without training in it. She loses control, and her power hits max level.

Marvel does a pretty "decent" job at explaining things throughout their series. Where as Rey for example, is the opposite in that regard. They had to add comics and such just to explain things the movies didn't. That's not really great as a notable amount of movie viewers won't look to the comics for additional context.

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My initial impressions on the show, having completed it was that it was okay at best, but left
a lot of wasted potential opportunities (as a lot of Marvel shows and films have done) in
setting up new characters as well as connecting old ones to their comic counterpart.

Didn't care for the villain being Agatha. There are other bigger name Marvel villains and villainesses
that use magic that would've made for a much better antagonist. Big waste for them not to mention
Chthon either and not talk more about The Darkhold as well.

It has been said that this was a new thing for them. I forgive them for trying something new, and not really hitting the mark on the first try. If further series releases all fall short like this, then I am 100% on board with you. But for now, I give them a pass on some missed opportunities. I expect better in the future, but I enjoyed Wandavision for a trial run.

[formerShandalay]

I believe we were shown what happens in Age of Ultron when her loses control of her emotions. When her brother died, and she fell to her knees screaming, she eradicated a bunch of enemies.

Which is how the hex happened. I feel like that is enough explanation for her absolute power, without training in it. She loses control, and her power hits max level.

Marvel does a pretty "decent" job at explaining things throughout their series. Where as Rey for example, is the opposite in that regard. They had to add comics and such just to explain things the movies didn't. That's not really great as a notable amount of movie viewers won't look to the comics for additional context.

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Oh yea, as explanation for her powers and why they were suddenly even more powerful than what she has shown before her grief was surely enough, and especially seeing as she was almost like 'taken over' by her power. And because of the discussion that was happening before about some 'heroes' being perceived as a Mary Sue and some not, I think she has had enough going wrong with her power because of being untrained that it already rules out being a Mary Sue in most peoples' minds. Another example for that would be Billy (though on a much smaller scale of course ) having the power to hear people's thoughts even outside the Hex, but then being very uncomfortable because he can't stop hearing people anymore. It's a drawback to untrained power, with bigger drawbacks coming from greater power and that does seem more reasonable than just having huge power, knowing little about it and just using it without any drawbacks.
And we haven't even seen the full extent of what chaos she caused yet. I'm really looking forward to finding out.

[Skulltaker]

Why is it that the anti-SJWs, who hate strong women, don't generally hate WandaVision that much?

These people certainly hate the latest Star Wars trilogy, the latest Terminator, Captain Marvel, Supergirl, Batwoman, etc.; Wanda ends up more powerful than the female leads of the aforementioned titles combined, yet she somehow (mostly) escapes the hate?

Easy. You know the 'strong female character' trope?

The emphasis in WandaVision is on strong and character. The fact that she's female is secondary to the story. Same goes for Wonder Woman. There are female elements being explored (Wandas Kids, WWs sex life), but they weren't the focus of their development. Same goes for Star Wars' Rey.

In Supergirl, Cap. Marvel, Batwoman, Terminator, the emphasis is on strong and female, and they lack a character. In the case of Batwoman, from what I saw, this is concentrated to a toxic level. Didn't see much of that show.

[Faltemer]

Let's keep this on topic for discussion of the show. Not politics, other shows, or movies.

[Kathandira]

Oh yea, as explanation for her powers and why they were suddenly even more powerful than what she has shown before her grief was surely enough, and especially seeing as she was almost like 'taken over' by her power. And because of the discussion that was happening before about some 'heroes' being perceived as a Mary Sue and some not, I think she has had enough going wrong with her power because of being untrained that it already rules out being a Mary Sue in most peoples' minds. Another example for that would be Billy (though on a much smaller scale of course ) having the power to hear people's thoughts even outside the Hex, but then being very uncomfortable because he can't stop hearing people anymore. It's a drawback to untrained power, with bigger drawbacks coming from greater power and that does seem more reasonable than just having huge power, knowing little about it and just using it without any drawbacks.
And we haven't even seen the full extent of what chaos she caused yet. I'm really looking forward to finding out.

Could not have said it better man. Great addition of Billy too. He is a good example of grounding this mystic fantasy world to reality. Just because one has powers, doesn't mean they know how to use them at all.

Which now that I am writing this, adding how Monica literally found her true power by attempting to sacrificing herself "For The Children". = )

Would have actually been nice if the drama'd that part up a little more though.

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Potential spoiler for upcoming stuff:
Apparently the actors who played Wanda’s kids are currently in London... which coincidentally is where Doctor Strange 2 is currently being filmed.

I think that was a given with knowing that Wandavision was the setup for the movie, and the last scene with the boys calling for help. I think that gives us a really good idea of the direction it is heading.

[Jayma]

I will say most of the hate towards Captain Marvel seems to come from Brie Larson rather than her character.
I'm sure if Elizabeth Olsen was super cringe her character would be less liked as well.

[rhorle]

Just a quick note, because I think it may be significant down the line, the scene would have involved Darcy, Monica, the twins and Ralph going to the basement getting the Darkhold. Jimmy wasn't inside the Hex at that point.

The article I read didn't make reference to the twins. It is possible the article is wrong or that the twins would have been involved as well and just happened to be left out of this interview/article.

https://theplaylist.net/wandavision-...nges-20210308/

And if you watched the finale and thought that the supporting characters, such as Monica Rambeau (Teyonah Parris), Darcy Lewis (Kat Dennings), and Jimmy Woo (Randall Park), had their parts reduced from early episodes, you’re not wrong. Apparently, Shakman says that there was a whole subplot where the three of them would try to find the Darkhold in Agatha’s basement and discover that her rabbit, Scratchy, was actually a demon. But with the CGI taking a lot time and the show running out of time, things had to change and the story was altered.

[formerShandalay]

The article I read didn't make reference to the twins. It is possible the article is wrong or that the twins would have been involved as well and just happened to be left out of this interview/article.

https://theplaylist.net/wandavision-...nges-20210308/

I watched the interview, it's very long and mostly really interesting, the part about the Senor Scratchy scene is right at the end at about 2:05:00 and he says Darcy, Monica, Ralph meet up with the kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxn1q-KqW8 (Edit: The kids need to be in the scene, because they were the ones that knew about the book from being held hostage in the basement, according to what he says)

[Zantera]

I thought the season was great but got worse as the mystery was kinda resolving and the last episode felt like a dud because aside from the 90% action, they didn't really do anything super interesting with the plot either.

Biggest failure to me was how they handled Quicksilver. I'm not mad about it because they didn't go the fan theory route or whatever, but they could have made so many interesting things with that (hence the fan theories to begin with) and they decided that the most satisfying resolution to Fox-Quicksilver in the MCU was a boner joke. I hope whoever came up with that got fired.

[Frozenbeef]

I will say most of the hate towards Captain Marvel seems to come from Brie Larson rather than her character.
I'm sure if Elizabeth Olsen was super cringe her character would be less liked as well.

It's bit of both from me, her actress is appalling, though I'm not a fan of the character either, she is constantly portrayed as being invincible meanwhile gods such as Thor get downed by a taser. Would be nice to see her powers have limits like the other heroes, even taking a direct blast from an infinity stone barely phased her (while a combined captain and Thor struggled to attack normal Thanos)

[RobertoCarlos]

I thought the season was great but got worse as the mystery was kinda resolving and the last episode felt like a dud because aside from the 90% action, they didn't really do anything super interesting with the plot either.

Biggest failure to me was how they handled Quicksilver. I'm not mad about it because they didn't go the fan theory route or whatever, but they could have made so many interesting things with that (hence the fan theories to begin with) and they decided that the most satisfying resolution to Fox-Quicksilver in the MCU was a boner joke. I hope whoever came up with that got fired.

Apparently the writer/director loved the mandarin twist in iron man 3....

Hes one of those "playing with expectations" type

Let us pray he never works with rian Johnson. The internet would collapse from the disapointment