PvP gearing without doing Rated Arena/RBG = trash gear?

[MiiiMiii]

I was really looking forward to the return of buying gear for honor / conquest. I just want to farm some BGs and gear up. I don't like arena, and I don't want to get into the "RBG" scene. Sure I would love a solo Rated system, but I can't be bothered whispering a RBG group with their interviews on "3k rating exp" requirements.

Might be a "me" problem, but in TBC-Cata I could buy SOME BIS gear without any rating, and in Mop-WoD I could FULLY gear without any rating (it just took 10x as long as it did for the RBG/Arena gamers).

In this expansion I can buy upgrade honor gear to 197 ilvl. Then I can spend Conquest points to buy a 200 ilvl gear. That's it. I can't upgrade anything more unless I start getting rating. 200ilvl capped.

Even if I wanted to start doing rated games my 200 ilvl is too low to be invited to anything. Not that I want to do it anyway.

"PvP is such a great way to gear in SL" how? I get higher ilvl from world quests...

Am I being unreasonable or is the current PvP gearing system just designed for hardcore gamers?

PvP gear system is designed for RBG/Arena gamers. Valor system is designed for M+ gamers. If you do anything else, you are not welcome?

[Tadkins]

PvP gear system is designed for RBG/Arena gamers. Valor system is designed for M+ gamers. If you do anything else, you are not welcome?

Basically. I feel like Blizzard has nothing but contempt for those of us who aren't doing those modes at this point. I don't PvP (battleground or war mode) at all anymore because the kind of gear i'm allowed to have is just going to get me eaten alive. What would be the point if I'm going to get killed over and over with no chance at fighting back?

If not the option to earn decent survivable gear, I'd at least like to see a return of templates or ilvl brackets in random BGs. Just something to make it feel like PvP won't be a hopeless slaughter.

[Absintheminded]

You can find casual RBG groups to either just do weeklies in or farm conq/rating. The main thing is that you'd handicap yourself incredibly bad without getting consistent conq that it's practically not worth doing PVP otherwise.

[Trend]

Am I being unreasonable or is the current PvP gearing system just designed for hardcore gamers?

Yes, you are. While the definition of "hardcore" is pretty subjective, equating it with "not completely lazy" is not reasonable. Rated PvP at 1600 is miles from "hardcore" IMO.

[Tadkins]

Yes, you are. While the definition of "hardcore" is pretty subjective, equating it with "not completely lazy" is not reasonable. Rated PvP at 1600 is miles from "hardcore" IMO.

Rated PvP is still something that one can easily struggle with. It requires a lot of coordination with specific people. It's easy to lose at and you gain nothing at all by losing.

In the past we used to be able to get decent enough PvP gear just doing random battlegrounds and other forms of casual, no-gate PvP. What was wrong with that and why can't we go back to that?

[erifwodahs]

Rated PvP is still something that one can easily struggle with. It requires a lot of coordination with specific people. It's easy to lose at and you gain nothing at all by losing.

In the past we used to be able to get decent enough PvP gear just doing random battlegrounds and other forms of casual, no-gate PvP. What was wrong with that and why can't we go back to that?

200ilvl is not decent enough? How?

[Tadkins]

200ilvl is not decent enough? How?

Not when your battlegrounds/warmode is full of the folks lucky enough to do rated PvP/raids/M+ and will just stomp you.

[Niwes]

I was really looking forward to the return of buying gear for honor / conquest. I just want to farm some BGs and gear up. I don't like arena, and I don't want to get into the "RBG" scene. Sure I would love a solo Rated system, but I can't be bothered whispering a RBG group with their interviews on "3k rating exp" requirements.

Might be a "me" problem, but in TBC-Cata I could buy SOME BIS gear without any rating, and in Mop-WoD I could FULLY gear without any rating (it just took 10x as long as it did for the RBG/Arena gamers).

In this expansion I can buy upgrade honor gear to 197 ilvl. Then I can spend Conquest points to buy a 200 ilvl gear. That's it. I can't upgrade anything more unless I start getting rating. 200ilvl capped.

Even if I wanted to start doing rated games my 200 ilvl is too low to be invited to anything. Not that I want to do it anyway.

"PvP is such a great way to gear in SL" how? I get higher ilvl from world quests...

Am I being unreasonable or is the current PvP gearing system just designed for hardcore gamers?

PvP gear system is designed for RBG/Arena gamers. Valor system is designed for M+ gamers. If you do anything else, you are not welcome?

as already a lot of ppl in other threads stated out, the item and reward system of SL is weird (calling it „weird“ at best). in a strange form it seems the expansion want you to do both, PvE and PvP, while at the same time it is designed like „for hardcore PvP“ and/or „for hardcore PvE“.

at least i for myself not really get, what Blizz exactly wants to achieve.

it is the same as Valor for M+ now. for what target audience exactly is this ? while it is not a good catch up system for alts, at the same time ppl get high base items out of m+ 15s and then have to spam +2s, because you get 135 VP regardless if you do +2 or +15 .... WTF ???

so, all in all it seems a lot of cooks cooking in SL when it comes down to itemization and rewards. but it seems noone of them know WHAT they wanna cook in the end.

at least i personally do not get it...

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Not when your battlegrounds/warmode is full of the folks lucky enough to do rated PvP/raids/M+ and will just stomp you.

i think it is more a heavy use of buying Tokens for gold to get boosted than „lucky enough“.

maybe Blizz overdid a bit their supporting of their smart cash grab system (every Token ever passing the AH is 7 bugs for Blizz, by doing nothing). maybe this design is intended to attract boosting to a lot of ppl. because boosting is free money for Blizz.

but on the other side, it can not be good for them, when ppl stop playing, because of the reasons mentioned in this thread. maybe there are 5 ppl bought Tokens to now be invited by the big guys, while 5 other ppl leave the game maybe forever, because its „useless when you just getting slaughtered“. so i am not sure here...

[Ealyssa]

I can't be bothered whispering a RBG group with their interviews on "3k rating exp" requirements.

there are plenty of non 3k RBG group, maybe try those...

[Argorwal]

How did you get current season PvP gear in TBC without doing arena?

Or Wrath outside of the 2 drops from Vault of Archivon?

They all were purchased with conquest which didn’t come from random BGs.

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Not when your battlegrounds/warmode is full of the folks lucky enough to do rated PvP/raids/M+ and will just stomp you.

So would you then say people that actually do end game content are in the majority?

[Tadkins]

So would you then say people that actually do end game content are in the majority?

Feels like it, but I know most folks are lucky enough to have friends, a good guild, and/or thick enough skins to pug.

[Nnyco]

Always fun to call everyone "hardcore players" because youre too lazy to join some rbg or get easy 1.4k in arena.

[spdr]

I was really looking forward to the return of buying gear for honor / conquest. I just want to farm some BGs and gear up. I don't like arena, and I don't want to get into the "RBG" scene. Sure I would love a solo Rated system, but I can't be bothered whispering a RBG group with their interviews on "3k rating exp" requirements.

You should be looking for yolo rbgs, you definitely don't need 3k experience and 1600 is easily achievable with no voice rbgs.

[Tadkins]

You should be looking for yolo rbgs, you definitely don't need 3k experience and 1600 is easily achievable with no voice rbgs.

Will they let you in if your gear isn't great, aren't playing a meta class spec and/or don't have the perfect covenant?

[Ashleyxoxo]

Gear never mattered for top PvPers.

[Tadkins]

True, most of the top PvPers have the skill to overcome thier class/gear limitations.

Most of us I'd wager need the gear though. I'm certainly willing to admit that I'm not great and need that gear crutch. xD

[enigma77]

Am I being unreasonable or is the current PvP gearing system just designed for hardcore gamers?

Yes because there is nothing remotely hardcore about 1800 rating, which gets you 220 gear.

While 1400 (farthest thing imaginable from hardcore) gives u a full set of 213 gear.

You seem to want to play this game as a single player game, I'd say that's the unreasonable part.

[Tadkins]

You seem to want to play this game as a single player game, I'd say that's the unreasonable part.

Given how harsh and exclusionary this community can be, I don't think it's that unreasonable.

[Flantini]

I think the pvp gearing is pretty good atm. 197ilvl is just fine, and you can still buy the 200ilvl stuff through nonrated. But what do you want to happen with gearing? Make it so you can get a full set of 226 through random bgs? Wouldnt that then just make random bgs the best place to get gear? I'm curious as to what you think is a fair ilvl for random bgs.

Semi related, I could get behind a less of an ilvl gap between jumps. I.e, 200-205-210 etc. (or some other number jump). That way you still get the better gear through rateds but its not such a power gap. Of course the smaller jumps would have to be in PVE as well to prevent PVE outgearing PVP gear.

[spdr]

Will they let you in if your gear isn't great, aren't playing a meta class spec and/or don't have the perfect covenant?

Low level absolutely, the higher you go the more selective they are but you start seeing the same people over and over in groups so they can vouch for you. At least thats my experience on alliance in lfg. What class/spec do you play? Other than bm/surv demo and maybe enhance i think i've seen every spec in rbgs so far. As a note, i'm only 2100 so I wouldn't consider that really high but its higher than i've ever been in rbgs. Ive also never put much effort trying to get my rating up in rbgs in a single season either. I did no voice yolos to 1600, after that I started only joining groups with voice and armorying the group leaders before I apply.