[Movie] Snyder Cut: Justice League

[Ealyssa]

There are plenty of weak MCU films that didn't hurt the MCU.

Being a weak movie is a loooooooot better than the turd that is WW84 sadly.

[Daronokk]

I read movies reviews and look up audience scores to help me determine which movies to watch.

Do you read reviews to determine who to vote for as well? What clothes to wear? What job to get? What to eat? Does everything in life have to be spelled out for you? I really don't understand this behaviour. And to top it off, this way of thinking and acting leads to corruption due to reviews being bought.

[Ivanstone]

Being a weak movie is a loooooooot better than the turd that is WW84 sadly.

I know people who liked WW84. I know people who didn't like WW84. I haven't seen it but it looks like the IM2ed the shit out of it. IM2 didn't derail the MCU. I have no reason to believe that WW84 will stop AT&T from making more DC movies.

When the theatres re-open and if they play WW84, I will go watch it. I will watch it with lower expectations. Much lower expectations then I had for IM2.

[minteK917]

But bad according to who? You? Your neighbour? Your wifes boyfriend? How do you explain how people can dislike what is in general seen as a "good" movie? Do they just have poor taste?

This is not exactly an argument to have, people confound taste vs quality has a concept. Its kinda like aesthetic. There is a barrier at some point where bad is almost objective as a social construct. When a human tells you something is objectively bad, its often what in law we call from the perspective of a reasonable person. In theory if you made a single person out of everyone and that person would have the average view of anything: X would be bad, X would be unreasonable, etc. If i made a movie where the screen is black half of it and then when its not the shaky cam makes it impossible to view, my movie would easily pass the barrier that yes on a social construct level it might be a bad film. Except there is still one blind person that listened to my film and liked it.

[Soulwind]

There are plenty of weak MCU films that didn't hurt the MCU.

There are plenty of MCU films. There's only a handful of DCEU films, and most are mediocre at best. Their "franchise" isn't strong enough to afford so many weak movies.

[Asrialol]

I watched the original on a plane and thought it sucked so i thought id give this a 2nd shot.

Ive got to say im impressed by snyder. He has taken a terrible film and made it.....longer....

I mean it really fucking sucked. All over the place, cheesy, horrible acting, and the flash, what the fuck.

The good news is if you enjoyed this film its a sign that you should go to the doctor and get some sort of cognitive test, you will fail it and the state will probably give you some sort of benefit, like a monthly payment or something.

Says the guy who enjoys watching adults run around on a grass field, kicking a ball around for 90 minutes.

Kekw.

People like this guy is why this forum is so much fun. Makes you wonder if there are actually people who are like this, or if it's just an act.

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An MCU ”bad” film is still a lot better than a DC ”Good” film.

Unless it’s thor 2, Fk that one.

Ironman 2/3, Thor 1/2, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, infinity war and Endgame would like to have a word with you on that.

[Ivanstone]

There are plenty of MCU films. There's only a handful of DCEU films, and most are mediocre at best. Their "franchise" isn't strong enough to afford so many weak movies.

Iron Man is a really good movie. Avengers is a really good movie. The movies in between? Sure they made money but I've seen people in this thread alone shit on them to varying degrees. There was a time when there was only a handful of MCU movies and generally the earlier ones aren't as well received.

More to the point the DCU movies have all been money makers if we start at Man of Steel. Shazam is the only outlier here but it had a smaller budget than any major superhero movie and it likely turned a good profit.

[Jotaux]

Ironman 2/3, Thor 1/2, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, infinity war and Endgame would like to have a word with you on that.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, are those what you consider bad movies? Winter Soldier is regarded as a good film, Infinity and Endgame are considered top tier as well. I would consider Endgame to be everything you could want in a movie to cap off a 20 or so movie franchise.

[Skulltaker]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, are those what you consider bad movies? Winter Soldier is regarded as a good film, Infinity and Endgame are considered top tier as well. I would consider Endgame to be everything you could want in a movie to cap off a 20 or so movie franchise.

Dunno, I preferred the new JL to Endgame, but I attribute that to fatigue to MCU movies and my dislike of heist movies. Winter soldier, on the other hand, is one of the best MCU movies, as well as Infinity War, and in a whoole different league than Justice League. Even as someone who prefers DC over Marvel (but enjoys both) that's pretty easy to see.

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More to the point the DCU movies have all been money makers if we start at Man of Steel. Shazam is the only outlier here but it had a smaller budget than any major superhero movie and it likely turned a good profit.

JL 2017 bombed. And even as a fan I have to say 'and it deserved it'.

[Jotaux]

Dunno, I preferred the new JL to Endgame, but I attribute that to fatigue to MCU movies and my dislike of heist movies. Winter soldier, on the other hand, is one of the best MCU movies, as well as Infinity War, and in a whoole different league than Justice League. Even as someone who prefers DC over Marvel (but enjoys both) that's pretty easy to see.

To be honest I'm a huge DC fan but I haven't really liked the non animated DC movies at all (aside from the Dark Knight Trilogy).

I plan on watching the Snyder Cut today though.

[Skulltaker]

To be honest I'm a huge DC fan but I haven't really liked the non animated DC movies at all (aside from the Dark Knight Trilogy).

I plan on watching the Snyder Cut today though.

Animated ones are leagues beyond the live action ones, sadly. Makes me question why WB has such issues getting the live actions right consistently...

[Ivanstone]

JL 2017 bombed. And even as a fan I have to say 'and it deserved it'.

No it didn't. It made an insufficient amount of short term profit against production and marketing. It will continue to make money for decades.

Generally, I disbelieve in "bombs" because in general the money will be slanted in a way to make it appear anyway they want. To the IRS, Justice League is a "bomb". To shareholders, its a "success". Furthermore, in this case Justice League is part of a larger brand and it served to increase public awareness of itself and related properties.

Aquaman was a huge success. It made a shit ton of cash against a more modest budget. But how much of that "profit" can be attributed to Justice League?

Now compare it to actual bombs like Lone Ranger or John Carter. Both are smaller properties with limited crossover appeal. Both had outlandish production budgets and much, much smaller takes than Justice League. JL made $650+M up front. These two scored less than $300M.

[pewpmeiser]

Says the guy who enjoys watching adults run around on a grass field, kicking a ball around for 90 minutes.

Kekw.

People like this guy is why this forum is so much fun. Makes you wonder if there are actually people who are like this, or if it's just an act.

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Ironman 2/3, Thor 1/2, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, infinity war and Endgame would like to have a word with you on that.

The only objectively bad Marvel movie is Thor 2.

[Nerovar]

I watched the original on a plane and thought it sucked so i thought id give this a 2nd shot.

Ive got to say im impressed by snyder. He has taken a terrible film and made it.....longer....

I mean it really fucking sucked. All over the place, cheesy, horrible acting, and the flash, what the fuck.

The good news is if you enjoyed this film its a sign that you should go to the doctor and get some sort of cognitive test, you will fail it and the state will probably give you some sort of benefit, like a monthly payment or something.

How do you manage to match the energy of your posts so perfectly with your avatar? What's your secret?

[Adamas102]

Do you read reviews to determine who to vote for as well? What clothes to wear? What job to get? What to eat? Does everything in life have to be spelled out for you? I really don't understand this behaviour. And to top it off, this way of thinking and acting leads to corruption due to reviews being bought.

Before sites like Rotten Tomatoes that made people believe an aggregate score for art was something worth caring about, the whole points was that you'd find one or two reviewers that you generally agreed with and could use them as a benchmark. There's nothing wrong with taking reviews into consideration if you do it properly.

[Skulltaker]

No it didn't. It made an insufficient amount of short term profit against production and marketing. It will continue to make money for decades.

Generally, I disbelieve in "bombs" because in general the money will be slanted in a way to make it appear anyway they want. To the IRS, Justice League is a "bomb". To shareholders, its a "success". Furthermore, in this case Justice League is part of a larger brand and it served to increase public awareness of itself and related properties.

Aquaman was a huge success. It made a shit ton of cash against a more modest budget. But how much of that "profit" can be attributed to Justice League?

Now compare it to actual bombs like Lone Ranger or John Carter. Both are smaller properties with limited crossover appeal. Both had outlandish production budgets and much, much smaller takes than Justice League. JL made $650+M up front. These two scored less than $300M.

No-one cares what you 'believe in'. The break-even point for JL 2017 was estimated at 750 mil. USD, which it didn't make. It lost the studio 60 mil. USD, and is therefor considered a box office bomb.

[NihilSustinet]

Says the guy who enjoys watching adults run around on a grass field, kicking a ball around for 90 minutes.

Kekw.

People like this guy is why this forum is so much fun. Makes you wonder if there are actually people who are like this, or if it's just an act.

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Ironman 2/3, Thor 1/2, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, infinity war and Endgame would like to have a word with you on that.

wait im confused. thor 1 was good, infinity war and endgame were fucking amazing. even age of ultron was great, just not as great as avengers 1. winter soldier was fantastic too. im having a hard time following your point. even iron man 2/3, while some of the weakest marvel movies, are way more watchable than the average DCEU movie. i honestly cant think of a single main-line in-canon DCEU movie that i would rather watch than any MCU movie. literally cant think of a single one.

[Florena]

Says the guy who enjoys watching adults run around on a grass field, kicking a ball around for 90 minutes.

Kekw.

People like this guy is why this forum is so much fun. Makes you wonder if there are actually people who are like this, or if it's just an act.

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Ironman 2/3, Thor 1/2, Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, infinity war and Endgame would like to have a word with you on that.

Winter Soldier and IW/Endgame are pretty highly regarded, nto sure why you ahve those mixed in with your first couple examples.

[DingDongKing]

This MCU vs DCEU war is redundant. Just enjoy the films if you can, if you can't, don't. Don't waste time telling others they can't or shouldn't.

[Ivanstone]

No-one cares what you 'believe in'. The break-even point for JL 2017 was estimated at 750 mil. USD, which it didn't make. It lost the studio 60 mil. USD, and is therefor considered a box office bomb.

Bullshit. What the studio reports and what actually happens are two totally different things. Furthermore, it has continually made money since release. Sorry you don’t understand how things work.