Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Themius]

It's a prediction.

Predictions are based on something though lol. I can think of maybe one or two posters but they've had wavering beliefs for ages and caught out in lies.

[Themius]

wtf are you even asking for

Can you not simply go back and read the post to get an understanding?

"Predictions are based on something read as have a reasoning" I'm asking what's the reasoning based on.

[Milchshake]

It's a prediction.

I got it from my cat, Mr. Nibbles. He's also predicted the last two World Cup winners.

[Shadowferal]

I got it from my cat, Mr. Nibbles. He's also predicted the last two World Cup winners.

Damn cat ate my winning lottery ticket...

...okay, no one else believed me either.

[Milchshake]

Damn cat ate my winning lottery ticket...

...okay, no one else believed me either.

He also purred, "anti war posters are predictable, because they all copypasta the same work from some underpaid guy at the Internet Research Agency."

Somebody is getting tuna tonight!

[Shadowferal]

Somebody is getting tuna tonight!

Give him/her(?) a scrootch between the ears for me.

[arandomuser]

republicans simping for china and russia today on right wing social media

[Kaleredar]

what proof have you of this?

I think the various “posted ten times more criticizing Biden for his ‘hawkish’ rhetoric in the few months of this thread’s existence than they ever posted, period, in the four years of Trump threads” people that skulk around this forum alone would be evidence of their existence.

Ditto the “Hillary/Syria” people harping the same thing.

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republicans simping for china and russia today on right wing social media

They should just move there.

[arandomuser]

There's a lot of Venn overlap with "Dirtbag Left" Stars FLirting with the Far Right. Or Can Wealthy Elites Buy populism?.

All of them express a lot of support for Putin.

• They love authoritarian Daddies'. They imagine these figures will wave a wand and wipe out their enemies, or their student debt.
• Their policies are dumb and unpopular, they basically need Putin to prop up their political campaigns.
• It's a natural alliance for bigotry and misogamy.

Unpopular truths that make MMOC uncomfortable.

100% true the putin love is about race too. they love that russia is a modern day aparthaid for none russians

[Milchshake]

I think the various “posted ten times more criticizing Biden for his ‘hawkish’ rhetoric in the few months of this thread’s existence than they ever posted, period, in the four years of Trump threads” people that skulk around this forum alone would be evidence of their existence.

Ditto the “Hillary/Syria” people harping the same thing.

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They should just move there.

Pre-Trump ... there was a genre of articles of DudeBros moving to Shanghai or Moscow for improved economic reasons and opportunity. Some correlation that these articles went down when an incompetent white guy got elected.

Not to be confused with the very loud Putin simping by Steven Segal or Gerard Depardieu.

[Kaleredar]

Pre-Trump ... there was a genre of articles of DudeBros moving to Shanghai or Moscow for improved economic reasons and opportunity. Some correlation that these articles went down when an incompetent white guy got elected.

Not to be confused with the very loud Putin simping by Steven Segal or Gerard Depardieu.

Well by all means let them continue.

Because boy if they don’t like being “silenced” on social media in the United States, I can’t wait to hear them talk about the sort of treatment they can expect on the matter in China and Russia.

Oh wait, I won’t hear it.

[Orange Joe]

Can you not simply go back and read the post to get an understanding?

"Predictions are based on something read as have a reasoning" I'm asking what's the reasoning based on.

Are you saying you didn't know Trump shredded the Iran deal and was praised for it by his followers?

[Felya]

what proof have you of this?

the ‘at least Trump didn’t start any wars’ that permeates a large part of the left, that seem to ignore Trump leaving a peace treaty and increasing droning. That’s not even going into his rhetoric... but, somehow, people who failed to be against war on the left, wre still talking about WW3 Hillary would have caused with a no fly zone.

[CostinR]

Calling it. Biden putting sanctions on Russia is going to cause ten thousand times more outtrage from 'anti-war' online commentorz than Trump shredding the Iran deal and exploding one of their senior officials did.

I call bullshit.

For better or worse sanctioning Russia and having frosty relations with Putin has broad appeal across the American political spectrum. Meanwhile Trump shredding the Iran deal was viewed as a foolish move, even by some of Iran's strongest critics.

There is frustration with Biden's foreign policy, from a certain portion of liberals who are deluded in thinking they might be able to turn back to the clock to where it was before 2001 and from certain people like Ben Rhodes who's angry that Biden doesn't care to bend over on Iran and concern due to people like Victoria Nuland joining the State Department again but the reality is that what Biden is doing in foreign policy, hell even what Trump was doing ( no matter how reckless it might have seem in some areas ) is a natural conclusion given the state of the world today.

Relations between the US-Iran, US-China, US-Russia and US-North Korea are highly unlikely to get better, in fact they are going to get worse. Biden would for instance love nothing more then to negotiate with Kim Jong-Un but North Korea doesn't care, because they are not willing to give up what the US, under any president, wants.

China is set to increase it's global power. Iran is controlled by hard liners and Russia? Russia is the ultimate expression of twenty years of foreign policy failures, though it's too late to fix that now: Maybe in 2012 there was a chance, but not today.

If there's any major criticism with Biden's foreign policy is that he is unlikely to move the needle in any way. Trump did: North Korea, Iran, Israel-Arab accords etc. for better or worse. Keeping the current status quo isn't horrible but there are issues that need to be resolved.

[Belize]

I call bullshit.

For better or worse sanctioning Russia and having frosty relations with Putin has broad appeal across the American political spectrum. Meanwhile Trump shredding the Iran deal was viewed as a foolish move, even by some of Iran's strongest critics.

Bullshit to you too, GOP pundits are already hard at work spinning this as a terrible thing and how unfairly Biden is treating Daddy Putin.

Try again.

[Themius]

the ‘at least Trump didn’t start any wars’ that permeates a large part of the left, that seem to ignore Trump leaving a peace treaty and increasing droning. That’s not even going into his rhetoric... but, somehow, people who failed to be against war on the left, wre still talking about WW3 Hillary would have caused with a no fly zone.

Trump surely tried to start them, or did things that very easily could have led to them.

And what is this "large part of the left"??? like do you see like 1-2 people who claim to be leftists and then decide "large part!"?

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Do you not remember Trump destroying the Iran deal? Do you really require somebody to post a new link for you to acknowledge it?

I don't think you know what my question is...

the post:

Biden putting sanctions on Russia is going to cause ten thousand times more outtrage from 'anti-war' online commentorz than Trump shredding the Iran deal and exploding one of their senior officials did.

My question:

What proof have you that anti-war online commentators that took issue with Trump are going to take "bigger" issue with Biden's sanctions?

[CostinR]

Bullshit to you too, GOP pundits are already hard at work spinning this as a terrible thing and how unfairly Biden is treating Daddy Putin.

Try again.

Sure, provide a single link to this.

[Milchshake]

I call bullshit.

For better or worse sanctioning Russia and having frosty relations with Putin has broad appeal across the American political spectrum. Meanwhile Trump shredding the Iran deal was viewed as a foolish move, even by some of Iran's strongest critics.

There is frustration with Biden's foreign policy, from a certain portion of liberals who are deluded in thinking they might be able to turn back to the clock to where it was before 2001 and from certain people like Ben Rhodes who's angry that Biden doesn't care to bend over on Iran and concern due to people like Victoria Nuland joining the State Department again but the reality is that what Biden is doing in foreign policy, hell even what Trump was doing ( no matter how reckless it might have seem in some areas ) is a natural conclusion given the state of the world today.

Relations between the US-Iran, US-China, US-Russia and US-North Korea are highly unlikely to get better, in fact they are going to get worse. Biden would for instance love nothing more then to negotiate with Kim Jong-Un but North Korea doesn't care, because they are not willing to give up what the US, under any president, wants.

China is set to increase it's global power. Iran is controlled by hard liners and Russia? Russia is the ultimate expression of twenty years of foreign policy failures, though it's too late to fix that now: Maybe in 2012 there was a chance, but not today.

If there's any major criticism with Biden's foreign policy is that he is unlikely to move the needle in any way. Trump did: North Korea, Iran, Israel-Arab accords etc. for better or worse. Keeping the current status quo isn't horrible but there are issues that need to be resolved.

The past four years prove you wrong. Your premise relies on willfully ignoring GOP bad faith. And arguing against an imaginary version of Biden.
BAsically the same few posters keep ripping of the Glenn Greenwald show.

The GOP is still in bed witth Putin. My second point, they need him to prop up their unpopular policies and culture war.

[Shadowferal]

Hmm...yeah, lets differentiate the GOP from the Trump idolaters; Biden confronts Russia — and Republicans are listening

“Maybe Biden’s approach will serve us better," said one GOP senator.

Congressional Republicans quietly grumbled for four years that former President Donald Trump’s passive rhetoric about Russia didn’t match the severity of his administration’s actions targeting the Kremlin.

Now, President Joe Biden’s more aggressive public posture toward Vladimir Putin is begrudgingly refreshing for Republicans — and it’s something they wish they saw from Trump.

The shift is a welcome development on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, where lawmakers were consumed with scandals and investigations about Trump’s relationship with Moscow. And it underscored Biden’s efforts to keep Russia at bay, neither mending nor further inflaming the relationship between the two countries.

[Belize]

Sure, provide a single link to this.

Here's a link from @UnifiedDivide from earlier in the thread with multiple examples

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/s...09898300854285

I can't wait for you to tell me how they're totally not siding with Russia.
For context, since I know you sometimes have trouble with it, the debate challenge is a response to Biden calling Putin a killer.