No mythic+ invites after 200+ applications

[PedroloGeo]

It'd also solve approximately nothing since the same issue would exist just with different classes. This is the absolute worst thing that Blizzard can do.

Just balancing specs will do nothing like nothing changed with faction imbalance when the racials were finally more or less balanced, the damage was already done.

If the actual meta specs don’t get worse than other specs the players will continue looking for FMage, BDruid, MHunter and DHTank. Because ppl has changed chars already and they won’t go back and relearn specs and dungeon tactics again.

[MatPandaZ]

"you must do above +15 to get invited to +15s"
another toxic elitist for the ignore list

No, you must be the highest rio, ilvl and class that is in my queue for my key. Push your own key and do the same. Why would you take the statistically worst player when better options are available? Do you go to the greengrocer and pick out the bruised/beaten fruit or do you take the healthiest nicest looking ones?

[Sanitee]

If you ran your own keys you would see that there's about 50 dps trying to get into the 2-3 spots and many have insane gear and score. People pick the safest option. Can you give me a reason why someone SHOULD pick you instead of someone who has way more gear and higher score?

[kiramon]

No, you must be the highest rio, ilvl and class that is in my queue for my key. Push your own key and do the same. Why would you take the statistically worst player when better options are available? Do you go to the greengrocer and pick out the bruised/beaten fruit or do you take the healthiest nicest looking ones?

If you saw the 221 1.4k hunter in my group last night you would've taken the 211 800 hunter instead. T___________________________T #feelsbad

[evermynd]

Not much I can do to help you get invites to groups but in terms of looking for good players for your group. My approach has not been about class and ilvl. The best way to find successful groups is to ask in the notes of your post a question about how to deal with a specific trash mobs mechanics in the dungeon you're running. It helps prove that people understand the nuance of the dungeon they are applying for and not just going to mindlessly dps while ignoring everything.

[Ealyssa]

Another "I play a non meta spec with a low io score but I deserve to be invited by people who don't know me even if LFD is filled with hundreds of better suited players" thread.

yawn.

[kiramon]

Not much I can do to help you get invites to groups but in terms of looking for good players for your group. My approach has not been about class and ilvl. The best way to find successful groups is to ask in the notes of your post a question about how to deal with a specific trash mobs mechanics in the dungeon you're running. It helps prove that people understand the nuance of the dungeon they are applying for and not just going to mindlessly dps while ignoring everything.

wut

like "Whisper how you don't blow up the group on Dealer Xyexa"?

[SinR]

Wtf do you do?
You create your own groups....

and /thread

[Tiwack]

I agree, world of keycraft is a terrible game, you just end up spending way more time in lobby or your own random keys than actually playing the content you want and set out to do in the first place. That most players think the meta and arbitrary r.io and ilvl numbers guarantee success is just the icing on the cake.

[tomten]

I agree, world of keycraft is a terrible game, you just end up spending way more time in lobby or your own random keys than actually playing the content you want and set out to do in the first place. That most players think the meta and arbitrary r.io and ilvl numbers guarantee success is just the icing on the cake.

The problem with rio is that it really does. I have yet to see a 700 rio player thats actually capable of running higher than 10's... Its very rare I see someone with 1400 rio fucking up and not being able to pull their weight.

[GnomeEU]

The problem with rio is that it really does. I have yet to see a 700 rio player thats actually capable of running higher than 10's... Its very rare I see someone with 1400 rio fucking up and not being able to pull their weight.

That's just wrong because i even see bad 1400 players.
1300-1400 means nothing, most people reached that now. its the avg of someone who cleared hc raid.
And its the avg of someone with KSM and its the avg of someone who farms +14 vault.
Might be a great player or a scrub, the rating means nothing.

Even for high rating: i saw some horrible player that have almost 2k rating.
They deal high dps or hps but they suck at movement or awareness.

So is there a single indicator that a player is great? nope there isn't, unless you're in the top 100 or something, everybody can get pushed.

Raider.io does help tho, because on avg someone with 1400 rating is better than someone with 700.
The 1400 will probably have more experience and gear.

We all have that one guy in the guild that does 10k dps but dies every 2nd pull.
Then when you res him 2 times and because you need his dps you finally kill the raid boss.
That 1800 rio guy may be that guy!

[neescher]

Here’s the deal, as someone who makes groups instead of crying about not getting in them.

1) When I have risked inviting someone with a lower IO/Off meta with decent IO, about 70% of the time they int the key, 15% we can carry them, 5% they do great.

2) when I bring meta and similar IO the groups cruise, around 85% completion, 15% failure.

3) off meta, high IO prob 70/30 completion vs failure.

So explain to me, as someone who makes my own groups 90% of the time, why I would take an off meta or lower IO player?

Because you're magically supposed to know that one of the off-meta players is a lot more skilled than all of the meta players.

[kiramon]

Here’s the deal, as someone who makes groups instead of crying about not getting in them.

1) When I have risked inviting someone with a lower IO/Off meta with decent IO, about 70% of the time they int the key, 15% we can carry them, 5% they do great.

2) when I bring meta and similar IO the groups cruise, around 85% completion, 15% failure.

3) off meta, high IO prob 70/30 completion vs failure.

So explain to me, as someone who makes my own groups 90% of the time, why I would take an off meta or lower IO player?

I’ll disagree with this JUST for fire mages. 90% of the time they have no idea how to do anything outside of combust (not that it’s any good anyways) and groups don’t pull enough for the uncapped aoe to matter.

[czarek]

Hi all,

So I wanted to get something off my chest that has recently become a serious issue for me, making me wonder why I log on to this game anymore.

I am a decent player in a casual guild, only 9/10hc but I have a weird schedule with work or else I would be looking to raid mythic. I LOVE M+ dungeons, got 4k RIO back in BFA and had a blast.

However, recently I have been noticing I am getting less and less invites to M+ and I have spent the last Fri/Sat/Sun online spam applying to M+ groups in the hope to progress and start nailing +15's (1.2k RIO so this is the next stage for my progression).

However, after applying to probably nearly 200 M+ these last 3 days I have completely lost faith in this game. I have received 0 invites. ZERO. WTF!? Seriously wonder why I have wasted hours and hours and hours scrolling through these dungeons to go absolutely nowhere. Is this what this game has come to now? Just sit and stare at dungeons fill up in front of your eyes and just get P**SED off with it so much that you end up ALT+F4ing out for a few hours then come back and try again and again and again to finally realise that this is a joke.

Is this just me or what?? Like I have completely had enough of this. I am only applying for the next level of progression for my char (cleared all 14's and 2 15's already).... WTF do I do!?

Anybody else having this problem/anybody found a solution? ....


Cheers

I assume u are shadow. Welcome to my world. I still need 3 dung to KSM. Doin Ur own grp isn't really a soulution if someone is leaving grp middle of the run. Ur key decrease. Its quite good luck if u can push this key to 15 again. Pugs are crazy dice roll. In my experience 1 on 5 runs is sucessfull. SP maybe isn't FOTM class but in good gear can be on mage dps level. No bl but still. SP have good quite good aoe and single very good. Last night i made on aoe Mists 20k on pride and 7-10k single target. I really have no idea why grps no invite us.

[BananaHandsB]

Unfortunately the vast majority of players will sit around and get rejected 200+ times instead of taking about 5 minutes and forming their own group. That's the problem; not the game, not the community. It's quite remarkable rly.

[neescher]

Pugs are crazy dice roll. In my experience 1 on 5 runs is sucessfull.

No offense, but if only 1 out of 5 groups for you is successful, then there's 2 possibilities:

a) you're forming bad groups, bad comps, or don't check people before inviting them
b) you're the problem

There is no other reason why you would fail 80% of your keys on average. YOU are the only thing common to all of those groups.

[Shaetha]

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Mythic+ already requires much less coordination than raid because it requires fewer people. The entire point of it is to allow smaller groups than 20 to have challenging PvE content.

It's not designed for a PuG to push +15 keys any more than Mythic raid is designed for PuGs. Yes, you can do it because there are some bosses/dungeons/weekly affixes that are easier, but it is designed for high coordination and planning if you do it with on-par gear. That's why PuGs always want overqualified people. A PuG is usually too lazy to plan the dungeon and just wants to assume everyone knows what to do, and they're constantly surprised when they get punished for it in content designed to punish not planning.

You are not allowed to do nothing to help yourself and complain when no one wants to do it for you. If you want to reliably get groups, you should try to look for people that reliably want to play with you and are online the same times as you.

Essentially there are two solutions to your proposed problem: find people interested in playing with you, or change the entire game.

I don't think the entire game needs to be changed to accommodate people that refuse to be social.

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I’ll disagree with this JUST for fire mages. 90% of the time they have no idea how to do anything outside of combust (not that it’s any good anyways) and groups don’t pull enough for the uncapped aoe to matter.

The other problem with meta slaves: They usually aren't smart enough to execute the strats that make the meta classes make sense.

[czarek]

No offense, but if only 1 out of 5 groups for you is successful, then there's 2 possibilities:

a) you're forming bad groups, bad comps, or don't check people before inviting them
b) you're the problem

There is no other reason why you would fail 80% of your keys on average. YOU are the only thing common to all of those groups.

One i can say. I tell what i see. No matter its my group or joined. 90% problem is at the start. Example last night 3 mists in a row some pulled extra packs at start instant tank left.

[Marrilaife]

I LOVE M+ dungeons, got 4k RIO back in BFA and had a blast.

The situation is keep up with the Joneses or perish. If you nolife it at the start of the season and get good score, you keep being invited into good groups, so you keep improving your score. If you took a break, came later, etc. you're behind the curve and face and uphill battle everywhere, only get accepted to shit groups that deplete or disband, and get stuck not improving your score.

I had a situation like that somewhere in bfa, had a break in EP because my guild disbanded, come back somewhere 3-4 months into the season wanting to get my +15 achievement and guess what, everyone was already past that stage and I was left behind and the only people who wanted to group for 15s were "weekly completion", "boost a friend" etc. groups that don't plan to time it, people who wanted to "time stuff" were already in +19s and above.

It's a one big rat race because you don't need "enough" r.io, you need "better" r.io than your peers - beat them or lose. And at some level you're against nolifers who grind their score every day, so even if they're less skilled, by the sheer amount of hours sank into grinding they just outrank you.

What do you do? Play a fotm spec, grind week 1-2 of the season, or stop pugging - play only with friends or stay casual.

[Tiwack]

Unfortunately the vast majority of players will sit around and get rejected 200+ times instead of taking about 5 minutes and forming their own group. That's the problem; not the game, not the community. It's quite remarkable rly.

Can you blame them when the system awards them random keys for dungeons they've no interest in?