Tin foil hat theory - did they make shadowlands horrific on purpouse?

[czarek]

I believe in this. Complain about actual exp and glorify past exp = wow is still a thing. Ppl used to remember good things and feelings thats why past exp are remembered better than actually they were :P We will see in few years that SL were best expansion ever since WOTLK im 100% sure.

[odamienskii]

This is the worst conspiracy theory I've heard. Or well, it would be if I hadn't heard the same thing for other expansions.

"Hey, let's spend a couple years and several million/tens of millions of dollars making something that will make our customers hate us, so that we won't make as much money"
"Sure, that sounds like a great idea! I love throwing away money"

you dont seem to understand the theory fully so let me better try to explain

If players loved what the game was in tbc, when tbc comes out there is a good chance they will switch to classic if they hate shadowlands.

once they are on the classic track..... blizzard has them for the next 10 years without having to create anything new for them.

blizzard are experts at keeping the noobs entertained with free gear, i honestly feel like they have ran out of ideas how to keep the big brains interested like back when wow was more complex so have just abandoned ship entirely on it. instead offering free gear, more nerfs than ever seen before, buffs for all. simplified to the point where an arena match can be won by player 1 stunning player 2 pressing convoke from range.

I mean people just cant see that they are being boosted by blizzard, in bfa it was corruption playing for you, now its retarded class balance
"just reroll"
yeah, a weeks worth of leveling content, then another few months learning the class. clever blizzard, real clever, creating content and "something to do" without actually creating content just by making class balance so retardedly off. sure your new subscribers might be hooked and think its great but the older generation with big brains can see what your doing.

And of course, the people playing the boosted classes absolutely love shadowlands "best expansion ever" because they are undeservedly running round with 30% more power than the next person, they think all of a sudden they are now good players.

[keelr]

According to the poll on this thread 50% of players enjoy shadowlands, 50% think its bad or below, its not up for debate whether shadowlands is a success or not 50% of players being unhappy is horrendous in terms of sub retention.

You are wrong in your first sentence. The poll you are talking about has 133 (9-10) + 273 (7-8) votes from 778, thats 52% above average, 193 (5-6) thats 24,8% average and the rest is 108 (3-4) and 71 (1-2) thats 23% under average.

[MrLachyG]

either blizzard are incredibly dumb or they are incredibly clever. multi billion pound company, which you think it is? the more i think about it the more it makes sense.

your mention of the flightpath is a drop in the ocean. blizzard has managed to pi$$ off the entire community in the most part with very little positive coming out of the expansion.

pvp - retardedly unbalanced classes, prot pala healing more than all healing classes. say no more.
heroic raiders - farm for a few weeks to be 213 ilvl, if you can get 1800 in pvp thats 220
m+ - lowered drop rate, ilvl 3 behind heroic raiding, 10 behind 1.8k pvp.

social players who couldnt care - happy
raiders - unhappy
pvpers - unhappy unless they play a boosted class
m+ players - unhappy

i think the people that are happy are judging the expansion based on them being happy playing with friends, in which case they could be sat in a pile of sheep turd in a field and say "i love this pile of sheeps turd its great"

I'm sorry but you are just completely ignoring reality to make your point. according to the poll (which someone else linked because you couldn't be bothered - probably realised too late it didn't fit your narrative) over 50% of the people who voted said it was 'good' or 'excellent' and a further 24% rated it as ok. yet you completely ignore this and just carry on with your BS that raiders are unhappy, pvpers are unhappy, m+ players are unhappy and that "blizz have managed to piss off the entire community in the most part with very little positive coming out of the expansion"

YOUR OWN EVIDENCE DISAGREES WITH YOU. BEGONE TROLL

[Lochton]

According to the poll on this thread 50% of players enjoy shadowlands, 50% think its bad or below, its not up for debate whether shadowlands is a success or not 50% of players being unhappy is horrendous in terms of sub retention.

i see blizzard making changes that nobody wants, the changes that everyone wants blizzard arent providing, it lead me to wonder why are they doing it?

Are they making shadowlands for the new players and classic for the older players? forcing the older players to move to classic while the new players obviously love the game because its actually fully built with the new player in mind?

I mean call me a conspiricy theorist but it would make sense having all the older players move to classic because then blizzard wouldnt have to work so hard with new content, they have another what 4/5 expansions to repeat without needing to recreate anything fresh for the next 10 years meanwhile they just rush through some spoon feeding timegated content for the new subscribers.

All down to the individual opinion. 50 likes, 50 dislikes doesn't give you a horrific answer.

I believe MoP, Wrath, and Legion were the greatest - that doesn't mean it is the sole answer. I don't find Shadowlands horrific yet, for I've not experienced the whole thing yet.

And no, it isn't really forcing anyone to move to Classic, Classic is another option. I'm one of the older players, I guess, and I'd rather not go backward.

[erifwodahs]

Shadowlands is ok. It feels kinda like watered down Legion, but if M+ and WQs were introduced in this expansion and not Legion it would probably be regarded overall very positively.

I still think Legion had better stuff quality and more stuff, more detailed too, like profession quests, Suramar>>>>>> Maw, Orderhall vs Covenant feels sort of the same, but it was quite a bit more exciting to unlock your artefact traits than unlocking conduit slots. Artefact appearance quests were cool too. Add new features of WQs, M+ and new raids/dungeons coming in every few months and you can't just beat it. Legion really felt like a 3 year work with passion and new features made it even better. Legendary drops being what it was obviously did not feel as blizzard intended, but they were trying to find a golden spot for that.

It might be unpopular idea, but I think devs still love the game, but they need more time to develop expansions and patches, but community/investors pressure is massive so all they have to do is cut and compromise. Add massive inclusivity which WoW has to accommodate so all types of players can enjoy it and there you go.

[Wangming]

It might be unpopular idea, but I think devs still love the game, but they need more time to develop expansions and patches, but community/investors pressure is massive so all they have to do is cut and compromise. Add massive inclusivity which WoW has to accommodate so all types of players can enjoy it and there you go.

They think they do, but they don't.

[kodemonkee]

776 voters

776 voters of how many million people playing this game right now? LOL

[erifwodahs]

They think they do, but they don't.

Well, we would not know. If we can give them 3-4 years of pure development we might be able to see, but I don't think it will happen again unless we have another "abandon ship/WoD" situation.

[Yuli]

Shit. Like every conspiracy theory.

But sure, base the communities opinion on a poll on a blizzard-unfriendly forum with more ex-players than current-players that use every opportunity to make the game look bad for people who think it's good.
Oh wait. What was this thread about?

[WowIsDead64]

You must be new here. Literally every expansion has been "horrific" while it was current, only to be fondly remembered in the future. There are even folks that unironically loved Cataclysm and BFA. Different strokes for different folks. This is by all of my own personal measures an above average expansion.

May be that just means, that every subsequent xpack is worse, than previous? I've said it many times already. Back in MOP times doing all that dailies every day was considered to be nonsense vs what players were doing back in WotLK and Cata. And xpacks like Legion and BFA introduced infinite grinds and mandatory rep grinds. And it's considered to be normal now. If you'd go back to MOP, you'd realize, that rep grinds were joke back then in comparison to current grinds. So what? Game has changed. What was unbearable grind back then is new norm now.

[Wangming]

Well, we would not know. If we can give them 3-4 years of pure development we might be able to see, but I don't think it will happen again unless we have another "abandon ship/WoD" situation.

Pretty sure they can ask for whatever they want. I mean what is Activision going to do? WoW is their money making machine. Problem is Brack is.....well, Brack.

[MrLachyG]

Shit. Like every conspiracy theory.

But sure, base the communities opinion on a poll on a blizzard-unfriendly forum with more ex-players than current-players that use every opportunity to make the game look bad for people who think it's good.
Oh wait. What was this thread about?

the poll he referenced actually is very pro Shadowlands. OP is just talking out of his butt

[Zantera]

People always complain about the current expansion, it's been a thing since the start of the game.

[Elkfingers]

i think the people that are happy are judging the expansion based on them being happy playing with friends, in which case they could be sat in a pile of sheep turd in a field and say "i love this pile of sheeps turd its great"

I think this really sums up your whole argument.

"Everybody should agree that I'm right, and if they don't it's because their reasons are illegitimate and stupid"

You don't want a discussion here, you just want people to validate what you already think.

[kamuimac]

According to the poll on this thread 50% of players enjoy shadowlands, 50% think its bad or below, its not up for debate whether shadowlands is a success or not 50% of players being unhappy is horrendous in terms of sub retention.

i see blizzard making changes that nobody wants, the changes that everyone wants blizzard arent providing, it lead me to wonder why are they doing it?

Are they making shadowlands for the new players and classic for the older players? forcing the older players to move to classic while the new players obviously love the game because its actually fully built with the new player in mind?

I mean call me a conspiricy theorist but it would make sense having all the older players move to classic because then blizzard wouldnt have to work so hard with new content, they have another what 4/5 expansions to repeat without needing to recreate anything fresh for the next 10 years meanwhile they just rush through some spoon feeding timegated content for the new subscribers.

NO - they made it horrible because Ion is a hardcore raider and he made expansion solely for hardcore raiders.

thats why end product is toxic pile of garbage that has atm less players then FF14. and this is 3 months into expansion.

it complete unmitigated failure - that most likely got already axed and resources already got moved to 10.0 because nothing can save it atm.

you will see that 9.1 will be last tier of expansion and thats why it wont come out untill septemeber

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I think this really sums up your whole argument.

"Everybody should agree that I'm right, and if they don't it's because their reasons are illegitimate and stupid"

You don't want a discussion here, you just want people to validate what you already think.

he is not wrong though .

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776 voters of how many million people playing this game right now? LOL

fewer milions then FF14 has.

FF14 unlike wow gained 1,5 mln active players when wow kept loosing them - even though they didnt release new expansion yet.

[MrLachyG]

he is not wrong though .

no, he is. OP is subjectively and objectively wrong. The poll he quoted doesn't even back up his argument

[Dracullus]

NO - they made it horrible because Ion is a hardcore raider and he made expansion solely for hardcore raiders.

thats why end product is toxic pile of garbage that has atm less players then FF14. and this is 3 months into expansion.

it complete unmitigated failure - that most likely got already axed and resources already got moved to 10.0 because nothing can save it atm.

you will see that 9.1 will be last tier of expansion and thats why it wont come out untill septemeber

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he is not wrong though .

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fewer milions then FF14 has.

FF14 unlike wow gained 1,5 mln active players when wow kept loosing them - even though they didnt release new expansion yet.

That's why you never do conspiracy theory thread even for joke - 5 minutes later someone with more stupid conspiracy theory will come.

[Redroniksre]

NO - they made it horrible because Ion is a hardcore raider and he made expansion solely for hardcore raiders.

thats why end product is toxic pile of garbage that has atm less players then FF14. and this is 3 months into expansion.

it complete unmitigated failure - that most likely got already axed and resources already got moved to 10.0 because nothing can save it atm.

you will see that 9.1 will be last tier of expansion and thats why it wont come out untill septemeber

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he is not wrong though .

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fewer milions then FF14 has.

FF14 unlike wow gained 1,5 mln active players when wow kept loosing them - even though they didnt release new expansion yet.

I would love to know where you managed to find the sub numbers for WoW compared to FFXIV.

[McNeil]

The game getting worse is due to their own incompetence and listening too much to streamers who obviously don't play the game like we do.