People wanted choice to matter.
If it was just visual, it wouldn't "matter".
If it was easily swappable, it wouldn't "matter".
I'm not saying the demands were fair, or even if this was the best way to go about it - there were probably problems with alternatives - but this could have been the feedback they were dealing with at the time the system was conceived. People being all nostalgic for the old game and its "permanence". Whether they were right or not, that could have been the crux of "why" it was done this way.
Look at my post mate, I can't be held accountable for other people being more volatile in their responses.
I am asking a question; What do you think Blizzard's reasoning is? As RP wise, it makes little sense, gameplay wise has some merit, balance wise, well after what, 3-4 attempts at borrowed power being imbalanced, you'd think Blizzard would realize that's not realistic.
Pre-shadowlands there was all this "Pull the ripcord" talk.. What do you think held Blizzard back from doing so? What in -their- perspective makes these systems a good idea? Profit? Gameplay? Immersion? Because to me, it feels like they missed the mark on these things.
try reading the whole thing next time, I understand that people who like the idea of covenants might get a headache from reading more than 1 sentence, but I believe in you. You can do it! or just keep repeating my own comment back at me, that works too I guess.
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except a lot of classes dont have that option and the power of the covenant abilities are so strong it isnt a case of being worse at everything else, your character becomes unplayable in some content instead. Imagine trying to raid, even top 200 world as a Kyrian Hunter, lol. Meanwhile if you are a Night fae hunter and you can now raid, you can now no longer play Arena, pog. hard stuck 2100 rating cuz of ur covenant choice.
Of course. How can you say you really played SL unless you experience each covenant. That was my plan all along I have 4 toons one planned for each. Sadly, now that I have completed 2 covs (pretty close to having everything unlocked for them) I have not a drop of desire to do this again for the last 2 covs.
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The poster above me - his last point is dead on. I was worried about covs at the start being forced into one and not easily being able to switch when needed. But how it actually played out is much worse, now I can't even play different specs or aspects of the game (pvp) without being gimped in some way.
Why?
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Just read the forums.
"We want meaningful choices"
*gets meaningful choices"
"Why is everything so impactful"
*gets cosmetic choices*
"Why is everything the same"
It's always the same
One group that only does lfr and maybe if they are feeling super daring one day a mythic 0 wants drastic changes to gameplay for their brief stint each time they play because they have good memories of playing with friends from a decade ago.
Another group wants a balanced game they can keep playing at a higher level with active guilds and friends and has seen blizzard mess up every single power system they have ever tried to implement and warned everyone for close to a year over how badly this will go over.
Now we have most people from the first group gone and the games population being roughly 80% of all the players going the BiS covenant for their spec showing what a farce the system is.
try being less insulting arrogant and patronising next time, i know its hard for people who think they are center of the universe, but i believe you can at least try
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i mean, if you want to lie at least dont provide source that proves you wrong... i know it was in another thread, but the data you posted show that 12 specs have less than half in their "best" covenant and another 3-4 are barely above half, while only specs/classes that have both "best" power and aesthetics in the same covenant are above 80%...
so only farce are people who still claim its proving anything...
not to mention it doesnt even cover majority of characters (says on the page itself theres 20m chars in queue yet the data cover 7m...)
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Generally Blizzard's concept of "meaningful choices" has been questionable for years to me.
I mean specs that are so broken no one plays them are going to have random covenants as well... That isn't lying
https://wowranks.io/stats
Yes it runs through every character but it only posts those active in 28 days. So either im right and people who cared about covenant choice for unique experiences quit right away making the system a waste... or im right any people picked covenants for power.
I admit its a real kafka trap you walked into.
1. sure if you only admit data YOU WANT you might be right, if you accept ALL DATA and not only those suggesting you are right you might find out you have in fact absolutely no proof... but that would require you at least admit option you are wrong instead of trying to force in every piece of data into your theory...
2. yeah, i checked the page few times, and i was shocked that you can read WHY people picked the covenant from that data, i can only see WHAT they chosen...
and ignoring inactive characters is outright stupid, but yeah, it gives you advantage so ofc you do it...
i wonder, could people choose covenant taht is good based on different criteria? like why would paladins pick kyrian or druids night fae right?
my mate is kyrian on his DH, you know why? bcs he can use mount in ther sanctum, thats it, that was his whole reason... people choose based on thousands different reasons, so no, seeing what they chosen proves nothing, especialy if the data itself dont show massive majority of players in best covenants... btw we already seen the power shifts between covenants on some specs yet we did not see any massive movements of characters... hmmm wonder why...
i mean if you want to believe people choose mostly via minmaxing you can, but it doesnt make you right, and ffs dont claim data that barely sugest you MIGHT be partialy correct prove you are definitely right...
no matter, not gonna waste my time trying to persuade someone who already made decision and only tries to find what suggest its right and ignore massive amount of things that suggest its not...
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So, your purpose of this thread is to ask the playerbase, who has absolutely no way of knowing the reasoning Blizzard has for the things they do (or don't do), and then you're surprised when most of it is generic, banal cynicism? And somehow it's not your fault that this tone of most of the posts in this thread are overwhelmingly negative, because, holy shit, turns out people like to bitch about things they don't understand on forums. Okay, mate.
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dUhH... mEaNinGfuL cHOicE...
who cares if players actually have fun right...
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No one actually said this before Blizzard started mentioning it themselves. And then there suddenly was an army of players (who wont be affected by it anyway) saying that it's the most important thing in the world.
chooses is my guess.