Since #nochanges is kaput, can we have Dual spec please?

[WaltherLeopold]

the classic community really has no idea what they want anymore lol

These people absolutely do not represent me.

[Segus1992]

No you did not. Dual spec would be expensive so there is no real gold advantage. Are you for real?

Yes I did. Yes there would. Even if dual spec costs 5k.

[clevin]

"The state of an economy then alters gameplay by shifting the importance of various activities."

Hopefully the important part was made clear there for you.

I saw it. I disagree. Unless you can show me where this particular gold sink is significant in terms of the size of the economy. SHOW ME. Not assert it.

[Ave07]

Yeah I don't get why people are against it.
Just have it cost 1000g to train for it like when they first had dual spec back in wrath?
50g is nothing and it's a waste of time as I remember in BC on my pally I would take a port to IF to respec and get a summon back when I did raids and it was paid by my guild.

[Storfan]

Yeah I don't get why people are against it.
Just have it cost 1000g to train for it like when they first had dual spec back in wrath?
50g is nothing and it's a waste of time as I remember in BC on my pally I would take a port to IF to respec and get a summon back when I did raids and it was paid by my guild.

Yea totally. From what I've seeing there are basically two cathegories of players who are against dual spec:

- "Muh immershun" -players.

- Players who play a class whose spec doesnt affect their ability to pve and pvp without respeccing (basically hunters, locks, mages, rogues). They dont give a shit about protection warriors who maybe wanna do some arena/BGs or grinding on the side, or healers who wanna do the same.

This being said, I really, truly cannot see how dual spec would affect them in a negative manner, othar than perhaps giving them competition for open world resources, or simply not having arena-point-pve-cattle anymore to bolster their own standings.

[Heathy]

it came in with wrath, I like dual spec but at the same time adding dual spec with 40 man raids down scaling to 25. it'll eliminate the need for bench. because you won't have to bring in another spec, similarly it'll create that obvious 'well i need a second set for my offspec' rather than you collecting t4 and essentially being done, you'll move it to that point where everyone has to grind some offspec set.

it will drastically change the way tbc plays out, in some ways it would be great and in others it'll simply alter the meta. because of the ease of changing builds and roles.

probably didn't matter so much for wrath since that was the more pugged expansion anyway. at least pugging came into its own there with pugs even in icc. I don't really expect much of t5 to be puggable. like getting 25 ppl that are attuned for an ssc pug, having 2 tanks that can tank hydross, probably not going to happen for a long ass time. in wrath it probably helped that you could change build on a whim, for BC it'll change the meta. it won't play out the same way.

I do think there has to be some drawback to either doing pvp or doing pve, it shouldn't really be that you can do either of them with the flick of a switch and that switch costs nothing. because you are double dipping two progression paths, I think if you want to be good in pve and in pvp, you either have to respec often, or find a build that works well enough in both. or pick 1.

[ntlntl]

First, raiding is not everything in TBC. Dual-spec is very good for farming/BG/Arena.

Second I do not think people are forced to grind offspec set. Those that like PVE raiding will have 2 raiding specs. At most 1-2 players will respec per fight. We will have 1 tank change to heal/dps, and/or 1 dps/healer changes to OT role.

[IKT]

Yeah dual spec would be absolutely incredible, there's pretty much nothing else I really want changed about TBC except dual spec.

[Hctaz]

I don't know if I am missing something, but to me they seem exactly the same and thus, dual spec in this fashion would be redundant and a waste of dev time to implement. Feel free to correct anything I am misunderstanding.

It's would be implemented to remove the necessity of using addons, and it would allow players who respec a TON to save money long term by not needing to pay to swap specs.

[rogoth]

server transfers are already possible, but not faction.

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Dual spec would be fine, but only at the trainer IMO. Also it should either be a small fee always (so it's basically respec, but it saves your settings) OR they should charge 1000g like in wrath.

i wouldl ove it if they brought back the old original version of faction changes, where you could only faction change certain races since they used the same skeleton rigging for many races on both factions so couldn't do all of them, that would be hilarious to see, as to OP: how about no (insert austin powers meme here), if you want dual spec, wait for WOTLK classic or go to retail, the whole point of these 'classic' servers is to be as close as possible to the original version of that game period as possible, adding features that didn't show up until much much later is stupid.

[Procrustes]

"Why do some of you want to make people jump through all kinds of weird hoops? Allowing dual spec and making it easy has no effect on the gameplay whatsoever. If you're about to type "your choices should MEEEANNN something" stop. You can RP however you want, your choice to do so shouldn't be forced on others."

Great argument.
Why not implementing mount from level 1? Those who want to RP, can walk until level 40.
Why not 100 slot bags? It’s not affecting anyone’s else gameplay.
Barbershop, also has zero effect on other players.

I travel to a dungeon with my Combat spec, and I see a Gnome Mage. Dismount and switch to Hemo/Preparation spec. Kill the Mage. Switch to Combat to please my guild.
RPG immersion, at it’s finest.

I don’t mind if you like easy stuff. But that "RP” argument, is silly and arrogant.

[loras]

You are already giving Seal Of Blood to Alliance Paladins, which is a HUGE change that didn’t happen till Wotlk (Seal Of Martyr) and since Dual Spec is also a Wotlk feature, might as well add it to TBC Classic.
#logicalchange

It did kinda make you feel like you were genuinely customising your character, rather than playing a character with certain preferred loadouts.

[Vinictus]

Yes, I'll allow it. You're welcome.

[Lochton]

You are already giving Seal Of Blood to Alliance Paladins, which is a HUGE change that didn’t happen till Wotlk (Seal Of Martyr) and since Dual Spec is also a Wotlk feature, might as well add it to TBC Classic.
#logicalchange

The #nochange movement was in the bin for a while. Though, it could be cool with dual spec.

[NineSpine]

Great news everyone! There is already a version of wow that has all the features you want, like dual spec and transmog. It’s called Shadowlands.

[zorkuus]

Why don't you guys just play retail?

[keelr]

Why don't you guys just play retail?

Why don't you just play a nochanges private server?


Edit: To a stupid question, you get a stupid answer.

[zorkuus]

Why don't you just play a nochanges private server?


Edit: To a stupid question, you get a stupid answer.

If you "smart" ones had your way there would be 1000 different versions of the game.

[Wangming]

I hope this means we can have worgen monks when we reach Classsic MoP. I might consider a resub for that. Hell, throw in pre-MoP talent trees. Either Wrath style of Cata style would be fine.

[iosdeveloper]

i kinda like my character locked in one spec
in BC reset cost wasn't a big issue with all the dailes available