8 dead at Atlanta Massage and Spa shootings

[Theodarzna]

Because maybe there's no grand media conspiracy like you seem to constantly think there is?

That is precisely what I am saying, that the media would be covering it as vital evidence of a hate crime if it was confirmed.

[Aurrora]

I'm comfortable with that position given the evidence at hand, as I've already pointed out (and Karreck did in the post Santti pointed to last page). There is no "investment", there, just connecting a few dots and the complete lack of any dots that don't fit that pattern.

Keep tilting at windmills Don Quixote.

Also, the authorities have not stated that it was not a hate crime. That's just categorically untrue.

The director of the FBI has said the shooting does not appear to be racially motivated. I'm pretty sure he has access to much more information about this than any of us.

See post #630.

Sorry, but you need to take your own advice.

According to a witness, he was targeting Asians.


https://www.kxan.com/news/atlanta-sh...nt-in-america/

Furthermore, we have the following pieces of information.

#1. He only targeted Asian businesses in a region that is only about 4% Asian.
#2. He ignored places where non-Asian sex workers are present (i.e. Strip clubs, street walk hubs, etc)
#3. He drove 30 miles between two of shooting locations, indicating that he had specific targets in mind
#4. There is a long and well documented history of Asian women being subjected to racially motivated stereotypes involving sex (Dragon Lady, China Doll, "Me love you long time", Yellow Fever, etc)
#5. There has been a giant increase in hate crimes against Asians over the past year.

It is not out of bounds to see the distinct possibility of this crime being racially motivated. Worst case, he had a deep animosity towards Asian Women based on racial prejudices and hatred. Best case, he associated Asian Women as sex objects (a racial bias) and targeted them due to this fetish.

This publication links to a non-existent tweet. The fact that the big names in media aren't reporting on this when anti-Asian hate crimes are in vogue should clue you in that it's probably not real.

1&3) Of course he targeted them, he was a customer. These were likely locations he received sexual release.
2) Was he a customer of those establishments? Strip clubs are a fairly public venue and the shooter seems to be deeply ashamed of his sexuality, I don't think its the kind of place he would go to.
4) See previous post, every indication is that these locations were fronts for prostitution, corroborated by multiple sources.

[Triceron]

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So we've gone from a hate crime like Dylan Roof and the El Paso shooter to, "The guy might have had negative stereotype of sex workers at these three places." and "It indicates..." but doesn't actually say.

I get what you are saying but what you are saying is miles apart from Dylan Roof or the El Paso shooter who put out manifesto's and went out to kill people of a certain ethnicity. Rather here you are suggesting, maybe a stereotype played a part. Since as I stated he didn't attack just any Asian businesses, or even just Asian massage parlors, he picked three specific ones that were on an app and he might have even been to before.

Er, I didn't say anything about Dylan Roof or the El Paso killer, so you are projecting wuite an argument onto something I didn't say.

You seem to be eiyher very confused, or already have a prepared response with the conversation you wish to have in your head. I certainly don't know what you are even talking about, and am reconsidering ever jumping into this conversation now.

Have a good day.

[Felya]

That is precisely what I am saying, that the media would be covering it as vital evidence of a hate crime if it was confirmed.

We had the president of US hold a speech in regards to violence against Asian people, as an outcome of this. It’s all over the news... it’s true that Tim Pool doesn’t cover it...

You are proposing two counter arguments. That our reaction to these shootings is driven by the media, while also claiming these are not covered by the media. Are we democrat drones repeating MSM or is this not a hate crime because you haven’t seen MSM confirm that it is?

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The fact that the big names in media aren't reporting on this when anti-Asian hate crimes are in vogue should clue you in that it's probably not real.

They are “in vogue”?

Of course he targeted them, he was a customer. These were likely locations he received sexual release.

What do you base this on? One of the women he killed was a customer... she was getting treatment, when he killed her. Do you have any evidence to claim these were prostitution rings? Don’t you need some evidence to accuse the dead of being prostitutes?

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See previous post, every indication is that these locations were fronts for prostitution, corroborated by multiple sources.

May I see these sources? I will remind... one of the women killed was a customer... I’m pretty sure she wasn’t diddled, as her husband waited in the lobby.

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The director of the FBI has said the shooting does not appear to be racially motivated. I'm pretty sure he has access to much more information about this than any of us.

And your own source casts doubt on that claim, and cites other reputable sources who disagree with his conclusion.

Is the FBI investigating this in the first place? They usually only get involved if criminal actions cross state lines.

Also, he's speaking to a "racial animus", specifically. Targeting Asian Americans specifically because you have a "sex addiction" is still a hate crime, even if your animus is against your addiction. Because, y'see, you're targeting Asian-Americans specifically.

Plus all the above comments I've made about how "sex addiction" isn't even a thing in the DSM and most psychiatrists doubt it could even exist as a disorder in the first place, and how we've yet to see any actual diagnosis of any such thing for the offender, and absent such a diagnosis, there's no reason to believe his claims. No, his stint in rehab for "sex addiction" does not count; plenty of rehab facilities will take you to treat your "LEGO addiction" or your "shenanigans addiction" if you pay them to treat you.

4) See previous post, every indication is that these locations were fronts for prostitution, corroborated by multiple sources.

Except, y'know, literally any of the facts. The Atlanta mayor confirmed that the two parlors in the city were not under police investigation and had had no calls to their premises on suspicion of prostitution; https://ca.news.yahoo.com/atlanta-sh...205454804.html

The only "corroboration" you're finding is people who assume "asian massage parlor, must be whores". Which is racist. Sorta the point.

[Aurrora]

They are “in vogue”?

Fashionable to report on. Are you seriously suggesting that hate crimes against Asians have not been a major part of the news cycle for the past month?

What do you base this on? One of the women he killed was a customer... she was getting treatment, when he killed her.

More evidence that this wasn't a hate crime targeting Asians, he killed everyone he could at the businesses he targeted.

Do you have any evidence to claim these were prostitution rings? Don’t you need some evidence to accuse the dead of being prostitutes?
May I see these sources? I will remind... one of the women killed was a customer... I’m pretty sure she wasn’t diddled, as her husband waited in the lobby.

Tempted to say no since I've been waiting three days for a poster to back up their claim that he was targeting more Asian spas in Florida with a news article despite them all saying he was going after a pornography business, but sure, here you go.
1) One of the victims of the Gold Spa was a convicted prostitute.
2) All three massage parlors are apparently listed on a website used for finding establishments with sexual services, with both Gold Spa and Aromatherapy Spa offering "full service"
3) The establishments were known to authorities as places of prostitution.
4) Google maps reviews of the Gold Spa indicate sexual services occurred, one customer reports getting a handjob unsolicited from the masseuse.
5) The shooter was a customer of these establishments.
Any other points you want sourced? The sex rehab? The getting kicked out of his house for spending all day jacking off?

And your own source casts doubt on that claim, and cites other reputable sources who disagree with his conclusion.

Is the FBI investigating this in the first place? They usually only get involved if criminal actions cross state lines.

The FBI would be involved it they suspected it was a federal hate crime, therefore they are apprised of the details of the case and so far don't believe it to be a hate crime. The FBI are involved in a limited capacity but the investigation is state level currently.

Also, he's speaking to a "racial animus", specifically. Targeting Asian Americans specifically because you have a "sex addiction" is still a hate crime, even if your animus is against your addiction. Because, y'see, you're targeting Asian-Americans specifically.

Plus all the above comments I've made about how "sex addiction" isn't even a thing in the DSM and most psychiatrists doubt it could even exist as a disorder in the first place, and how we've yet to see any actual diagnosis of any such thing for the offender, and absent such a diagnosis, there's no reason to believe his claims. No, his stint in rehab for "sex addiction" does not count; plenty of rehab facilities will take you to treat your "LEGO addiction" or your "shenanigans addiction" if you pay them to treat you.

Whether sex addiction is a thing or not is irrelevant, he thinks it's real. What we need to determine is if the internal logic of a crazy person is consistent with his motivation. We've got about a two year history of the guy behaving as if it was. So is this guy a criminal mastermind that created a two year narrative of a "sex addiction" so he could go on an anti-Asian murder spree and skirt hate crime laws? It seems like the more logical explanation is that he has two conflicting ideas in his head, that he wants sex and enjoys it and that his religion has a very sex negative stance. Mix that with poor impulse control and a catalyst directly related to sex and he acts out in a terrible way.

Except, y'know, literally any of the facts. The Atlanta mayor confirmed that the two parlors in the city were not under police investigation and had had no calls to their premises on suspicion of prostitution; https://ca.news.yahoo.com/atlanta-sh...205454804.html

The only "corroboration" you're finding is people who assume "asian massage parlor, must be whores". Which is racist. Sorta the point.

See point three above, the Mayor's office has already walked back on their statement citing it was made less than 24 hours after the shooting took place.