If robots take all the jobs, how do you decide who lives where?

[Kokolums]

Let's say we live in a world where robots have taken 100% of the jobs. Our needs are met. We are free from working for a living.

Unfortunately, there is still only a few miles of prime beachfront property in Malibu, CA to build a house on and hundreds of millions will want to do so. Disneyland will only have a limited capacity at a given time, so hundreds of millions of people will not be able to spend every day there as they will want to do.

In other words, scarcity still exists. And if scarcity still exists, there will still be an economy and people will still be doing work. But what form does that take and how do you make these decisions?

My gut instinct is that, without actual jobs, then the people who get to live in the prime real estate areas are those with the best weapons / military as they can fight / scare off others. That might mean the biggest guns, the best ammo, the best robot workforce, or the best organized militarily or some other metric of military might. Humanity gets thrown back to a time before money was invented, and its about possessing a military powerful enough to take what you want. A world where robots do everything is a world where humanity becomes hyper militarized.

Instead of a money-based economy we have a military-based economy. Our social status and access to scarce goods and services depends on how strong our military and weapons are.

To put this in terms of WoW, the world becomes the devilsaur mafia. Theres only a limited amount of places to get devilsaur leather, and everyone is equal, so ungoro becomes hyper militarized and the biggest baddest military controls access.

[Sorensen]

The economy will be based on things robots can't do, like Idk, now I'm drawing a blank but there's things they can't do ok.

[Shadowferal]

Social stratification will still exist.
And education will be getting a hard look.

[Shalcker]

You already can have military-based economy, don't need robots for that. We just had military takeover in Myanmar.

Look at lifestyles of modern streamers for alternatives examples of "future jobs". Imagine country where everyone gets UBI... and then, after taking care of themselves, spends the rest on their favorite streamer.

[Jonnusthegreat]

You already can have military-based economy, don't need robots for that. We just had military takeover in Myanmar.

Look at lifestyles of modern streamers for alternatives examples of "future jobs". Imagine country where everyone gets UBI... and then, after taking care of themselves, spends the rest on their favorite streamer.

Yikes an entertainment based economy.

[Sorensen]

Yikes an entertainment based economy.

Honestly it's what the people want.

[Jonnusthegreat]

Honestly it's what the people want.

Yup. Even now some dude is still paid $50M per year to throw a ball through a hoop for an hour every few days.

[Weeps]

Nope. Military is getting smaller and smaller worldwide as we increase automated equipment engineered specifically for warfare.

Mutually Assured Destruction has effectively kneecapped nuclear weaponry. Reasons for warfare are dwindling rapidly. Globalism will be accelerated by technology.

Here's what would happen, in my opinion.

1) People will do what they love and get paid for it. This includes arts, crafts, and services. You love to fish? Go fish then, buddy. Catch a lot? Sell some.

2) People will be given Universal Basic Income. It has to happen. This isn't debatable whatsoever.

3) People believe that since automaton takes over everything, nobody will want to work or that there will be no jobs. False on all fronts. They are thinking and looking at it the wrong way. There will always be jobs. It'll just be different.

4) People equivocate automaton as something that will kill all human desire to work. Again, false. Those who don't work, will they be given appropriate shelter, healthcare, food and water? Yup. Absolutely. But that's all they get. You want more? You gotta work. That is another funny misunderstanding people have about Socialism and/or Communism.

You still have to work. Your labor decides your rewards. You work 40 hours? Cool, that means you can afford that dope new TV. A non-worker wouldn't be able to afford it. They'll just get the Walmart brand TV. Social stratification remains.

You want a 5 bedroom house but there's only 3 of you in your family? Work.
You want just enough to house yourself and your significant other? You get a 1 bedroom apartment or house given by the government.

Bottom line: You want more goods? Work or provide labor.

5) Automaton will make cultures more introspective. Profit loses importance as human rights issues are focused on.

[RadasNoir]

The economy will be based on things robots can't do, like Idk, now I'm drawing a blank but there's things they can't do ok.

As other people mentioned, I don't think robots are going to be replacing artists or entertainers anytime soon. It's kind of ironic, you get the snooty people who crack wise about liberal arts degrees and turn their noses up at anything that isn't STEM-related, when it's the successful creative types that might have the most job security in the future.

Oh, and I suppose programmers would also still be needed. Probably not a good idea to let the robots program themselves, for a whole mess of reasons.

[Santti]

Mutually Assured Destruction has effectively kneecapped nuclear weaponry. Reasons for warfare are dwindling rapidly. Globalism will be accelerated by technology.

I don't think MAD is even a thing anymore. Hasn't been for some time. Skroe used to talk about this, in here. Nukes are made small these days (you'd need many to destroy a large city, which would never be targeted anyway, because launch sites and ICBM's would take absolute priority).

[PC2]

Let's say we live in a world where robots have taken 100% of the jobs.

This vision of the future will not happen. Robots and algorithms cannot take our jobs in the aggregate because there is infinitely many new value-adding tasks(aka jobs) that people are capable of.

Have you ever seen the TV series called "The Expanse"? Their brutal version of Earth and the economy is simply implausible. It is nothing more than science fiction.

[Weeps]

I don't think MAD is even a thing anymore. Hasn't been for some time. Skroe used to talk about this, in here.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with you on that. The existence of nuclear missiles in Russia, for example, and the US. What is stopping US from nuking Putin's billion dollar mansion? Their nukes. I am overly simplifying here.

Basically: you have a nuke, I have a nuke. You hit me, I hit back. We both lose badly.

[Edge-]

My gut instinct is that, without actual jobs, then the people who get to live in the prime real estate areas are those with the best weapons / military as they can fight / scare off others.

Everything seems to come down to Americans/people being violent, murderous fucks who just can't wait to start killing people for you, for some reason.

[Orange Joe]

Maybe the robots will start a civil war and we will all live in cages??

[kamuimac]

Let's say we live in a world where robots have taken 100% of the jobs. Our needs are met. We are free from working for a living.

Unfortunately, there is still only a few miles of prime beachfront property in Malibu, CA to build a house on and hundreds of millions will want to do so. Disneyland will only have a limited capacity at a given time, so hundreds of millions of people will not be able to spend every day there as they will want to do.

In other words, scarcity still exists. And if scarcity still exists, there will still be an economy and people will still be doing work. But what form does that take and how do you make these decisions?

My gut instinct is that, without actual jobs, then the people who get to live in the prime real estate areas are those with the best weapons / military as they can fight / scare off others. That might mean the biggest guns, the best ammo, the best robot workforce, or the best organized militarily or some other metric of military might. Humanity gets thrown back to a time before money was invented, and its about possessing a military powerful enough to take what you want. A world where robots do everything is a world where humanity becomes hyper militarized.

Instead of a money-based economy we have a military-based economy. Our social status and access to scarce goods and services depends on how strong our military and weapons are.

To put this in terms of WoW, the world becomes the devilsaur mafia. Theres only a limited amount of places to get devilsaur leather, and everyone is equal, so ungoro becomes hyper militarized and the biggest baddest military controls access.

the answer to this - future will bring in jobs that we cannot even imagine nowadays.

quick example - imagine what woudl people say in 1950 if you told them that in future there wil be jobs like twitch streamers , influences , tok tokers etc allowing ordinary people to make big $$$ from siting at home and doing in reality nothing important.

imo in next 20-30 years what will become important will be jobs entertaning those people who dont have jobs while at the same time allowing them come back to nature and taking care of their health in the same time. something like social-time-organizers. and people who will help people pursue their interests become more creative with their free time.

[minteK917]

We will simply continue the trend we are on now. As we decommodify some things, we increase the market share of others. A lot of the first world transitioned from an economy of good, to now an economy of services for example. That transition is not stopping, once good become so cheap and so easy to make, they will not be commodified as much instead we will further commodify services, entertainment, etc. Even some of the oldest services work like Sex work, will never be phased out completely by machines and if they do, they will be hyper commodified before we even get there first.

[Shadowferal]

Getting a "Ready Player One" vibe.

[Xeones]

Man republicans really like to show they don't understand how business or growth works. They can only imagine things as they are now or were in the past. They are unable to imagine something new and so attempt to sabotage everything so the old dragons can horde their treasure while we suffer stagnation.

It's like talking about space mining and they go "well that would just crash the price of metals here!" and you look at them like "wtf is wrong with you?"

[PC2]

2) People will be given Universal Basic Income. It has to happen. This isn't debatable whatsoever.

Not anytime soon. That would require a lot of economic growth to pay for UBI and until then non-universal and conditional programs will be much more cost effective.

[Edge-]

Not anytime soon. That would require a lot of economic growth to pay for UBI and until then non-universal and conditional programs will be much more cost effective.

In a fully automated world there would either be no need for such money, or the UBI would already be implemented. We're talking about the future, bro.