Loot drop rates still feel unrewarding

[Low Hanging Fruit]

How it feels to me.. and I admit it could just be perception.. but the vault seems to be the cornerstone of gearing. While it is cool to have some choice from the chest unlike we had in Legion or BFA it also doesn't feel so great that logging on Tuesday is probably going to be your one day you can actually hit an upgrade. This isn't about gearing either. I mean I am like 224 item level on my main. You receive gear at a rate that will kit you out to your skill level unless you are INSANELY unlucky. But gearing doesn't feel good is more the problem.

I have pretty much all but given up on getting loot in raids. Sure, if it happens it happens and it has happened like 4 times the whole expansion in mythic. Sadly they were items that were insanely better for someone else and merely a .3 or .4% upgrade for me so I passed it along 3 of those 4 times. Twice loot was passed to me for the same reasons. So a total of 3 loots have gone to me from a pool of 21-22 players total drops. 96 mythic kills with 4 drops and 3 pieces of loot. Feels kind of bad.

PVP filled up most my slots. Many of them got replaced with much better stated stuff for PVE with vault, M+ upgrades, and those measly 3 pieces of loot from a 6 month content patch worth of raids. I mean imagine this. What if this was a normal content cycled that wasn't insanely long and going longer? Raid gear would be a mystery minus what pops up in the vault. Pretty sad.

[Metrox]

I haven't gotten a piece of raid loot on any of my 4 toons that have raided. Spending time and repair costs for paltry anima amounts isn't rewarding enough to keep doing it.

[Grof]

Well, what I found funny, from day 1 of gv, where I always fill all 3 raid slots, 1 or 2 mythic + and sometimes pvp, never ever see any ring. Also killed lady on normal and hc around 17 times, never ever see ring droped ( 2 times I looted trinket) and also killed sire 4 times on nm and 11 times on hc, only see ring drop for me once on normal.

[Soon-TM]

6 normal CN and 4 HC CN full runs. Only a headpiece ever dropped for me, precisely the slot where I'm rocking my leggo. $&#@ this #$&@, I don't think I will ever be returning if they don't fix that. I really, really, REALLY hate how the vault is the only source of decent gear when it comes to PvE.

(Idk about mythic raids, maybe they have it better, but if they have the same drop rates of normal/HC, then $&#@ that too).

[thunderdragon2]

6 normal CN and 4 HC CN full runs. Only a headpiece ever dropped for me, precisely the slot where I'm rocking my leggo. $&#@ this #$&@, I don't think I will ever be returning if they don't fix that. I really, really, REALLY hate how the vault is the only source of decent gear when it comes to PvE.

(Idk about mythic raids, maybe they have it better, but if they have the same drop rates of normal/HC, then $&#@ that too).

nope mythic raids have same drop rate sadly, im trying to pace myself by only doing a MAX of 10 mythic+ keys a week the only slot i vajn get now from keys are gloves but thearter/sanguine/spires and generals refuse to yeild them

[Teucer]

would it be rewarding for you if you received everything you wanted within like 5 runs?

Generally agree with this but would like to see extreme bad luck protection like uncapping valor or another currency and after 50 or some large number of runs you're able to buy an item. You'd need to cap how many your can do per week too though.

[thunderdragon2]

Generally agree with this but would like to see extreme bad luck protection like uncapping valor or another currency and after 50 or some large number of runs you're able to buy an item. You'd need to cap how many your can do per week too though.

i think every 1k should be fair?

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i think every 1k should be fair?

i just realised after typing this that 1k is WWAY to low thank 3k maybe even 4k

[Roship]

Raid has been out for months now and I still have yet to get a drop from the last boss on any difficulty, other than the pet. Great vault likes to troll me by giving the EXACT same items multiple weeks in a row. Loot is definitely still a major issue. I still have a 220 weapon I got the 1st week of vault opening, because I haven't gotten another weapon drop since then.

[neik]

As one would say, just be a good pay piggy and order that "wts aRmoR STAcK" boost. Blizzard designed entire expansion around buying the token.

It's about making the grind so unhealthy to the point where people just gives in to the temptation buying the token and later cashing in to get the gear from boosters.

Blizzard is explicitly promoting this behavior. There is no denying any of it.

[Doffen]

Ahahah... reminds me of TBC where I legit was running around with blue weapon despite raiding SSC for 2 months +, until I finally got a shitty caster purple in Kara off last boss on my birthday.

Yeahhh "not like this".

What we have now is heaven in comparison.

Yeah, its just bullshit that somehow now its worse than ever. Fuck sake. Yes, its harder than it was in BfA and Legion. But for somehow it's worse than back before those two. It really is not. Remember WoD. Only gear I got was from raids. Nothing more. Is that suddenly better now or something. I swear people forget stuff if its more than 3 days ago. It is heaven compared to many expansions. The time I went without upgrades, or not getting my best weapon and trinkets throughout all these years could be a collection of misery written as a 600 pages book with 20+ chapters in it.

And, I got a TBC story too!

I had Valanos Longbow for 5 months in start of TBC. Did Kara almost every week, nothing. I didn't raid SSC/TK at that time. And what happened was; the one week I wasnt In our Karazhan run, two of three dropped. Did Steamvault Heroic too weekly to get the epic one from there Nada, zero, zilch! I got that eventually, just few resets after I got the bow from Malcheezar.

"not like this". It's as funny as let loot be loot!

[MrLachyG]

I think it’s ok now with the change they made a while back. I do think they should bring back bonus rolls though, max 3

[cuafpr]

WotLK badge system would fix this.. sure no loot but badges towards buying gear at least....

[Ealyssa]

As one would say, just be a good pay piggy and order that "wts aRmoR STAcK" boost. Blizzard designed entire expansion around buying the token.

It's about making the grind so unhealthy to the point where people just gives in to the temptation buying the token and later cashing in to get the gear from boosters.

Blizzard is explicitly promoting this behavior. There is no denying any of it.

Yeah sure, making customers unhappy about your product on purpose is a sound business decision...

[Shaetha]

But not like this.

You're right. It's also been worse. I raided for months in vanilla and never got a single item because I was unlucky. There wasn't anything you can do about it then. There is something you can do about it now. Therefore, it cannot possibly be worse than that.

[cparle87]

Don't see how Tbc is relevant here? I was running for most of the expansion with the same weapons back then, wasn't great either

Vault is good, getting nothing from raid isn't

I wouldn't have to take low ilvl weapons if something was actually dropping in a raid, iirc currently I'm wearing literally 1 or 2 actual raid drops..

A few posters ago went on the usual "we didn't get dry spells like this back in the day, you know, when the game was GOOD" kind of rants, so people kindly went and pointed out their own dry spells from "the good old days" as evidence said poster is full of rose tinted shit.

[Kokolums]

i said many many times during SL beta that this would be the xpac where you are supposed to buy armor stack carries. blizz designed it like this to boost token sales.

[Lucetia]

I lost any motivation to raid and Im just taking a break

Hopefully 9.1 will change something about current loot situation

Yeah, normally I play M+ a lot with a little bit of raiding on the side. Loot drops are been so abysmal that I've lost a lot of motivation to play when I'm normally on for at least a hour or two every day. So far this expansion I have barely logged on since February. Granted a small part of that is because my real life schedule has been chaotic. I just can't find the motivation to want to wait 20-40 minutes in a run for nothing, even with VP. It wouldn't be so bad if I got something every couple runs but going through 5+ gives a bad feel to it.

You're right. It's also been worse. I raided for months in vanilla and never got a single item because I was unlucky. There wasn't anything you can do about it then. There is something you can do about it now. Therefore, it cannot possibly be worse than that.

That's not really true though. There was craftable and dungeon gear that was better than raid gear in Vanilla. So yeah, there was still options like there is today. The only exception is you don't have a Vault / Weekly chest to fall back on, but then again having those in essence lower the drop in other places.

[froschhure]

I wish they would just revert these terrible loot changes they made

[tomten]

I know the above isn't what this thread is about, but, holy crap. I barely get through 5 mythic+ a week. Forget about doing one specific dungeon that much.

You sir, are fucking hardcore!

28 runs in 3 WHOLE weeks are some serious rookie numbers lol...
I did 19 runs in 4 day span until I got my trinket....

[Drusin]

Remember WoD. Only gear I got was from raids. Nothing more. Is that suddenly better now or something.[/I]

Funny enough I always use WoD as my "best xpac for gearing alts" example
Ding level 100, go to Ashran, 2 hours later 700-710 ilvl. M HFC raiders ~740 ilvl, that's a 6-4% difference in ilvl.
For SL to be equivalent I'd have to ding 60 and in 2 hours get 217 ilvl since M CN players are ~230 ilvl

Though that's not exactly accurate because WoD gear had set bonuses so even if you hacked the game and made it to 740 ilvl without doing M raids you'd still perform worse than a M raider so some consideration for set bonuses being gone would have to be made.

So if you ask me I'd say yes, let's go back to WoD!