If they made a new class in the future, what would it be?

[AcidicSyn]

Not a fan of the whole Bard concept as its own class, would prefer it as something that every character could do, like a "mini-game" that allows you to create your own songs and stuff, though I can see it getting annoying quite fast in the main cities, but regardless it would be quite popular in RP realms.

But I do like the idea of the Dragon themed class, like a dragonsworn, the subclass just have to be divided into every group, maybe excluding black because of the lack of a "Black Dragonflight"

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One of the main reasons i like Dark Ranger idea is because i really want another class that uses a bow, and yes, a bow not a gun, so tinkerer or artificer is not what i'm looking for.

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Well Calia did took a group of Dark Rangers under her wing, and they may be others that didn't follow Sylvanas, regardless, the true question is, Do they have the knowledge to actually teach others?

Also we don't know if being undead is a requirement to be a Dark Ranger, it just have been the status quo cause the one who made the special force was Sylvanas and the undead were her people, and specially the Dark Rangers, they were her "elite warriors"

If the Dark Ranger ever becomes a class; being undead will suddenly no longer be a requirement. Just like Being a ranger before hand won't be a requirement anymore either.

Just like monks.

Okay not exactly like monks. There's a few more obstacles to account for with Dark Rangers.

Currently in lore; those requirements are:
* Be a ranger in life. (Not sure if this is just "a ranger" or specifically joining the farstriders)
* Be undead.

That first one is why all Dark Rangers are elves, with the only human dark ranger also being the only human to ever become a ranger.

Then again void elves exist as a playable race, so if blizzard wants dark rangers to be a thing; they will be.

[Syegfryed]

What a wonderful idea make another class elf based, like we didn't just got one, "dark rangers" if ever be a class(which we seriouslly don't need atm), should work like dks, you need to be dead and everyone can be, not another elf only class

[Zeusy]

Then, feast your eyes upon that:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post52906195

Ehhh, tinker really feels like a ranged physical damage dealer. I love casters, emphasis on the magic part of them. Spriests, mages, and affliction warlock has been my thing for years. Hunter feels too.... "melee-y" and realistic for my like. Tinker really feels like a... "sci fi" melee ranged class?. I would like to play with sort of a magic based hunter class. That's why I really like the idea of dark ranger

[username993720]

Agree with the rest of your sources, but just want to clarify on this that the Forsaken Rangers that Nathanos trains are not typical 'Dark Ranger'. They're shown in game as male Forsaken with an axe and/or crossbow. It's not explicitly known if these are exactly 'Dark Rangers', since they're just called Forsaken Ranger and otherwise don't have much resemblance to the typical Elven Dark Ranger.

As Nathanos was a Hunter trainer, these could simply be 'a new generation of Forsaken Hunters' moreso than actual Dark Rangers.

This seems to be different from the Dark Rangers that were recently raised in BFA.

Not to discount the possibility of a Dark Ranger class by calling these Forsaken Hunters "Dark Rangers", but Dark Rangers could, definitely, encompass more than just the High elven archetype, including axes and crossbows.
Sylvanas uses daggers for melee combat, after all.

What a wonderful idea make another class elf based, like we didn't just got one, "dark rangers" if ever be a class(which we seriouslly don't need atm), should work like dks, you need to be dead and everyone can be, not another elf only class

Not everyone.
Blood elves, Void elves, Night elves, Humans, Forsaken.

Ehhh, tinker really feels like a ranged physical damage dealer. I love casters, emphasis on the magic part of them. Spriests, mages, and affliction warlock has been my thing for years. Hunter feels too.... "melee-y" and realistic for my like. Tinker really feels like a... "sci fi" melee ranged class?. I would like to play with sort of a magic based hunter class. That's why I really like the idea of dark ranger

What? did you scroll down?
There's a Dark Ranger concept.

[Triceron]

Not to discount the possibility of a Dark Ranger class by calling these Forsaken Hunters "Dark Rangers", but Dark Rangers could, definitely, encompass more than just the High elven archetype, including axes and crossbows.
Sylvanas uses daggers for melee combat, after all.

My point was that Nathanos' Forsaken Rangers aren't actually themed anywhere simiarly to the Dark Ranger concept to begin with, and on top of that aren't actually referred to as "Dark Ranger". They're modelled off of Nathanos' Vanilla appearance, when he was donned his Woodsman look and was little more than an Undead Hunter NPC with undead dogs in tow.

And I agree that the Dark Ranger could definitely encompass more than just the High Elf archetype, but bridging it back to a typical woodsman-style Hunter would be counter intuitive. I mean would we want a Demon Hunter class that expands by using Swords and Axes? Probably not. We'd want them to double down on that particular identity and explore a new class that is distinct from existing ones.

[Syegfryed]

Not everyone.
Blood elves, Void elves, Night elves, Humans, Forsaken.
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is even dumber, make a class that is mostly horde based only be available to two races in the horde and 3 in the alliance, and of course only elves because reasons

is stupid, if forsakens are training more they can train everyone, there is not a single reason for why a void elf would be and not a troll or a goblin


Seems like bad class concepts is not enough we have to make even worse by making then exclusive for no reasons other that what people like more.

[Triceron]

Seems like bad class concepts is not enough we have to make even worse by making then exclusive for no reasons other that what people like more.

What would you actually consider is a good concept then?

[TheRevenantHero]

Not to discount the possibility of a Dark Ranger class by calling these Forsaken Hunters "Dark Rangers", but Dark Rangers could, definitely, encompass more than just the High elven archetype, including axes and crossbows.
Sylvanas uses daggers for melee combat, after all.



Not everyone.
Blood elves, Void elves, Night elves, Humans, Forsaken.



What? did you scroll down?
There's a Dark Ranger concept.

As mentioned by Triceron, Nathanos was training hunters and not dark rangers. Though that just furthers the fact that there isn't enough unique about dark ranger to warrant an entirely new class. Also, restricting ANOTHER class to mostly elves would be as terrible of an idea as restricting tinker to gnomes and goblins.

[Maxilian]

What a wonderful idea make another class elf based, like we didn't just got one, "dark rangers" if ever be a class(which we seriouslly don't need atm), should work like dks, you need to be dead and everyone can be, not another elf only class

I agree, though with the existence of Nathanos, i don't see any reason why it would be an elf only thing, also do we really need them to be undead?

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There isn't a single living dark ranger. they actually are all undead. It's similar to DK in that regard. As for teaching others, I doubt it. And with Sylvanas gone there would be nobody to raise anyone to become a dark ranger anymore. From a lore perspective, it would make NO sense.

But unlike DK, Dark Ranger don't see to use any type of energy that requires being undead, is more like the reason we only had Undead DR is because Sylvanas was the one who created the "class" and as queen of a faction of undead, and having them as her special forces, she would teach her people only.

Note: I know that Dark Rangers use shadow magic instead of nature magic but there's no reason why it can't be used by a living ranger too

Note2: Sylvanas do use some unique abilities that are a thing because of her undead nature, or to be more precise, her banshee nature, but they don't seem to be a "Dark Ranger" ability, more of a Sylvanas's ability.

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As mentioned by Triceron, Nathanos was training hunters and not dark rangers. Though that just furthers the fact that there isn't enough unique about dark ranger to warrant an entirely new class. Also, restricting ANOTHER class to mostly elves would be as terrible of an idea as restricting tinker to gnomes and goblins.

Regardless if the Dark Rangers are unique enough to be their own class or not, I do agree that there's no reason to limit this class to elves and humans only.

[TheRevenantHero]

I agree, though with the existence of Nathanos, i don't see any reason why it would be an elf only thing, also do we really need them to be undead?

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But unlike DK, Dark Ranger don't see to use any type of energy that requires being undead, is more like the reason we only had Undead DR is because Sylvanas was the one who created the "class" and as queen of a faction of undead, and having them as her special forces, she would teach her people only.

Note: I know that Dark Rangers use shadow magic instead of nature magic but there's no reason why it can't be used by a living ranger too

Note2: Sylvanas do use some unique abilities that are a thing because of her undead nature, or to be more precise, her banshee nature, but they don't seem to be a "Dark Ranger" ability, more of a Sylvanas's ability.

Which does nothing but further show that dark rangers are essentially hunters lol. But also, not a single dark ranger is living so it would stand to reason that it's an undead only thing. Though with Nathanos and Sylvanas gone, there's nobody left to train more dark rangers.

[Maxilian]

Which does nothing but further show that dark rangers are essentially hunters lol. But also, not a single dark ranger is living so it would stand to reason that it's an undead only thing. Though with Nathanos and Sylvanas gone, there's nobody left to train more dark rangers.

I'm ok with the idea of Dark Ranger as just another Hunter spec or their own class (both works for me).

Well but the reason there are only undead is because the one who uses them as a special corps, also we are not sure if the other Dark Rangers that are left (those that went with Calia and some others that were left in the Horde) can actually teach a new generation of Dark Rangers, so its a "maybe"

[Triceron]

As mentioned by Triceron, Nathanos was training hunters and not dark rangers. Though that just furthers the fact that there isn't enough unique about dark ranger to warrant an entirely new class. Also, restricting ANOTHER class to mostly elves would be as terrible of an idea as restricting tinker to gnomes and goblins.

Nathanos is not the end-all, be-all of Dark Rangers though. He's barely a Dark Ranger as it is, considering he has zero established Dark Ranger abilities and was always a Ranger by profession.


Delaryn Summermoon, Sira Moonwarden and others can easily carry the torch. On top of that, we don't know fully what Shadowlands has in store. Redeemed Sylvanas datamine seems interesting enough, not sure where they're taking that. It's possible that 'Dark Ranger' could simply be a spec of a Ranger class if the whole concept of 'Death' gets permantly affected.

[Something Wicked]

Tinkerer is pretty much the only way they'll win me back to playing retail. That and/or obliterating class/race limitations altogether so I can play what I want to play.

[TheRevenantHero]

Nathanos is not the end-all, be-all of Dark Rangers though. He's barely a Dark Ranger as it is, considering he has zero established Dark Ranger abilities and was always a Ranger by profession.


Delaryn Summermoon, Sira Moonwarden and others can easily carry the torch. On top of that, we don't know fully what Shadowlands has in store. Redeemed Sylvanas datamine seems interesting enough, not sure where they're taking that. It's possible that 'Dark Ranger' could simply be a spec of a Ranger class if the whole concept of 'Death' gets permantly affected.

The datamined redeemed Sylvanas was part of the April Fools event. Also, even as just a spec it would be a stretch because dark rangers have like...only one or two spells unique to them.

[Amunrasonther]

holy shit! how long did this take you??? lot of thought, detail, and effort right here! Now if I can only get this same lvl of work out of my kids...

Thank you! It took me several months. I also have the Necromancer concept if you haven't seen it in my signature.

[Triceron]

The datamined redeemed Sylvanas was part of the April Fools event. Also, even as just a spec it would be a stretch because dark rangers have like...only one or two spells unique to them.

Which is why Blizzard can create new abilities and new specializations.

Same arguments were made against Demon Hunters for years before Legion came and proved everyone wrong about them. These are just the same arguments recycled from the pre-Legion era.

Sylvanas had a bunch of new abilities in Heroes of the Storm, Valla from HOTS is also very Dark Ranger themed and the vaulting, hungering arrow, strafe and rain of vengeance all fit the Dark Ranger's theme of an agile, ranged specialist who uses shadowy abilities. And on top of all this, they have close ties to the Banshee and the Banshee was both a support caster in WC3 and a healer unit in the Darkshore Warfronts. This ties in to expanding the Lifedrain ability they had and opening up its theme for more support and healing utility. There's plenty of abilities that can support a Dark Ranger, even if not as its own independent class.


I mean, as much as I think Tinker and Dragonsworn are the likeliest picks for the next class, Blizzard is completely unpredictable when it comes to addressing what systems will come into play in the future. I mean, I did not expect Covenants to replace a new Class as a feature either, so we might be looking at no new classes in the future even. I also find it very unlikely that Blizzard would double down on a Tinkers of Tinklandia expansion just to add in the class; if they really wanted them they could have added them in the post-BFA expansion where following up Mechagon with Tinkers would have made most sense, instead of pursuing Shadowlands without any class at all.


We have plenty of unused B-tier Class concepts available for Blizzard to pick from. Allied Races have shown that adding multiple B-tier Race options was perfectly suitable instead of just one or two new Races. We could have Class Skins accomplish the same. No worries of the balance getting upset, while we have new identities added in with very minor deviations to the balance and allowing deviations in gameplay on the level of Covenant abilities.

[jellmoo]

The datamined redeemed Sylvanas was part of the April Fools event. Also, even as just a spec it would be a stretch because dark rangers have like...only one or two spells unique to them.

To be fair, Brewmasters had a grand total of 3 active abilities to work with, and Blizzard took that and fleshed it out into 3 unique specs, including a healing spec that had a grand total of no abilities to use as source material.

I'm not suggesting that they should create a Dark Ranger class, merely that a lack of source material hasn't stopped them in the past and really wouldn't be an impediment should they decide to develop the concept into a class.

[username993720]

My point was that Nathanos' Forsaken Rangers aren't actually themed anywhere simiarly to the Dark Ranger concept to begin with, and on top of that aren't actually referred to as "Dark Ranger". They're modelled off of Nathanos' Vanilla appearance, when he was donned his Woodsman look and was little more than an Undead Hunter NPC with undead dogs in tow.

And I agree that the Dark Ranger could definitely encompass more than just the High Elf archetype, but bridging it back to a typical woodsman-style Hunter would be counter intuitive. I mean would we want a Demon Hunter class that expands by using Swords and Axes? Probably not. We'd want them to double down on that particular identity and explore a new class that is distinct from existing ones.

The Demon Hunter can wield swords and axes.
And, i didn't mean by abilities. I meant by weapon types which, they can already wield:
Weapon types: Axe, Bow, Crossbow, Dagger, Scythe, Sword.

is even dumber, make a class that is mostly horde based only be available to two races in the horde and 3 in the alliance, and of course only elves because reasons

is stupid, if forsakens are training more they can train everyone, there is not a single reason for why a void elf would be and not a troll or a goblin


Seems like bad class concepts is not enough we have to make even worse by making then exclusive for no reasons other that what people like more.

I didn't mean just them. Those are the ones listed.
But, i don't wanna see a Tauren Dark Ranger. Would you? they are not agile, in the least.
Giving everyone everything just ruins lore and immersion. Look at how ridiculous Gnome and Vulpera Death Knights are.
I want races with a ranger or necromancy background.

As mentioned by Triceron, Nathanos was training hunters and not dark rangers. Though that just furthers the fact that there isn't enough unique about dark ranger to warrant an entirely new class. Also, restricting ANOTHER class to mostly elves would be as terrible of an idea as restricting tinker to gnomes and goblins.

I gave you more examples than Forsaken Hunters, which you chose to disregard. -_-

No, not a class. A spec.
Whether it is alongside Priestess of the Moon and Sea Witch, or alongside Warden.

Giving it to everybody is not wise, either.

I agree, though with the existence of Nathanos, i don't see any reason why it would be an elf only thing, also do we really need them to be undead?

Well, their necromancy comes from their undead natures:
"after being raised into undeath by Arthas Menethil, Sylvanas found herself out of touch with the wilds, which was replaced by necromancy, making her a dark ranger."

Otherwise, they would be just Rangers.
Though, this one seems quite alive:

Which does nothing but further show that dark rangers are essentially hunters lol. But also, not a single dark ranger is living so it would stand to reason that it's an undead only thing. Though with Nathanos and Sylvanas gone, there's nobody left to train more dark rangers.

Not necessarily.
A Hunter would be a Ranger, who is more in touch with the wilds.
Nobody? how about the countless other Dark Rangers?

Redeemed Sylvanas datamine seems interesting enough, not sure where they're taking that.

Sorry to burst our bubble, but that was an April Fools.
Though, last time, they joked about having necklaces on your character, and we did get them as customization.

The datamined redeemed Sylvanas was part of the April Fools event. Also, even as just a spec it would be a stretch because dark rangers have like...only one or two spells unique to them.

No, not at all.
Look at my class concept, page 108.
There's much more than just the 4 WC3 abilities.

I mean, as much as I think Tinker and Dragonsworn are the likeliest picks for the next class

As much as Dragonsworn sounds innovative, Blizzard has yet to add a new class from the RPG.
Integrate it into one (Necromancer/Runemaster), maybe. But, not base it on it.

To be fair, Brewmasters had a grand total of 3 active abilities to work with, and Blizzard took that and fleshed it out into 3 unique specs, including a healing spec that had a grand total of no abilities to use as source material.

I'm not suggesting that they should create a Dark Ranger class, merely that a lack of source material hasn't stopped them in the past and really wouldn't be an impediment should they decide to develop the concept into a class.

The guy lacks imagination and does not count on Blizzard to do their thing.
The company, literally, produced Mistweaver, Windwalker and Vengeance specs out of their ass.

[Syegfryed]

I agree, though with the existence of Nathanos, i don't see any reason why it would be an elf only thing, also do we really need them to be undead?

All dark rangers are dead, if they aren't they are just a ranger wannabe edgy on my view

What would you actually consider is a good concept then?

damn free to all races already is going to be a good concept, not another elf centric class, especially if they are training, they can train anyone not just other elves

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Hopefully a mail armor wearing class.