Jordan Peterson: Parody or Facsimile of Red Skull?

[Milchshake]

Jordan Peterson is complaining that the Nazi Supervillain Red Skull sounds like him!
Jordan Peterson has just discovered that Captain America fights fascism. Which makes fans of fascist aesthetics upset.



Is it really a parody of Jordan Peterson, if he just stole all of his ideas from the Red Skull in the first place? Or just an accurate representation of the man. Made uncomfortable by simple truths?

It also made me think of subtext of Jojo Rabbit. That young immature boys, are drawn to the aesthetics of fascist ideologies. Which leads them down self destructive paths.

[Felya]

Next week on altright... they will read a Hitler speech, to complain he ripped them off...

[Ihavewaffles]

I wonder sometimes, guys like jordan peterson, how much publicity would they have in a non-woke world if fame was determined by merit?

I think the guy gets famous n stays so by over-sensitive peeps...the sad part is that people think attacking him is the battle they should be fighting, or that they would 'win' anything by it..University isn't about trying to make people not disturb your echo chamber, but about exchanging ideas. You guys are really helping him sell more books is all...there's probably thousands other professors that are more qualified n should sell more books, but no, we need to take twitter into the real world..

[Levelfive]

Jordan Peterson is complaining that the Nazi Supervillain Red Skull sounds like him!
Jordan Peterson has just discovered that Captain America fights fascism. Which makes fans of fascist aesthetics upset.



Is it really a parody of Jordan Peterson, if he just stole all of his ideas from the Red Skull in the first place? Or just an accurate representation of the man. Made uncomfortable by simple truths?

It also made me think of subtext of Jojo Rabbit. That young immature boys, are drawn to the aesthetics of fascist ideologies. Which leads them down self destructive paths.

I mean, if somebody says, "Nazi supervillain" and you say, "What"...

[PC2]

Jordan Peterson is complaining that the Nazi Supervillain Red Skull sounds like him!

That's because Red Skull uses the same themes as Jordan Peterson in their comic:




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It might be a coincidence but when there's more than one coincidence it makes it seem like it's not the result of an accident or random chance.

[Dezerte]

I'm pretty sure that's a fairly old trope.

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Jordan Peterson is complaining that the Nazi Supervillain Red Skull sounds like him!
Jordan Peterson has just discovered that Captain America fights fascism. Which makes fans of fascist aesthetics upset.

Is it really a parody of Jordan Peterson, if he just stole all of his ideas from the Red Skull in the first place? Or just an accurate representation of the man. Made uncomfortable by simple truths?

It also made me think of subtext of Jojo Rabbit. That young immature boys, are drawn to the aesthetics of fascist ideologies. Which leads them down self destructive paths.

It isn't a "parody of Jordan Peterson". It's an accurate description of fascism's appeal.

That Jordan Peterson will push fascism and neo-Nazi bullshit like the "cultural marxism" anti-semitic Nazi conspiracy theory, without realizing that's what he's doing, just goes to show the man is a colossal fucking idiot.

Or a liar. If he wants to pretend he's not an idiot, "liar" is an option. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Jotaux]

You guys are kind of missing what Cap is saying. He's saying they are all weak including himself. He found the flag, the guys hes talking to found the badge, these other people found Red Skull.

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That's because Red Skull uses the same themes as Jordan Peterson in their comic:

It might be a coincidence but when there's more than one coincidence it makes it seem like it's not the result of an accident or random chance.

It's almost like Jordan Peterson has explicitly and deliberately repurposed Nazi propaganda as if by repackaging it, he made it anything but Nazi propaganda.

There's a convenient question to ask any time some accusation of defamation comes out. "But is it correct?" If it's true, it's not defamation, you're just a bad person or your ideas are bad and stupid, and people are noticing that. That's on you, not those calling you out.

And since Peterson himself really loves his Nazi propaganda talking points, yeah. This is just accurate, and he's an idiot.

[Edge-]

It's almost like Jordan Peterson has explicitly and deliberately repurposed Nazi propaganda as if by repackaging it, he made it anything but Nazi propaganda.

Don't forget his a-historical, "The Nazi's could have won WWII if they'd just used the Jews as slave labor instead of exterminating them all."

To which the collective of historians and historically literate people, not even WWII specialists, facepalmed out of existence because the Nazi's made extensive use of slave labor.

[draynay]

So Jordan Peterson is a comic book villain, a nazi comic book villain, who knew?

[Felya]

I wonder sometimes, guys like jordan peterson, how much publicity would they have in a non-woke world if fame was determined by merit?

Yeah, it’s the woke, a term invented after the altright embraced Jordan Peterson... Maybe Pete Carrol is just Woke when he had Peterson motivate Seahawks... all ills are due to the woke... not the people actually doing the act or celebrating it.

[PC2]

It's almost like Jordan Peterson has explicitly and deliberately repurposed Nazi propaganda as if by repackaging it, he made it anything but Nazi propaganda.

There's a convenient question to ask any time some accusation of defamation comes out. "But is it correct?" If it's true, it's not defamation, you're just a bad person or your ideas are bad and stupid, and people are noticing that. That's on you, not those calling you out.

And since Peterson himself really loves his Nazi propaganda talking points, yeah. This is just accurate, and he's an idiot.

Maybe he is a fascist and a Nazi, I don't know. In any case he's still a human being who hasn't done anything illegal and has the right to free speech and the right to publicize his books.

[Felya]

It might be a coincidence but when there's more than one coincidence it makes it seem like it's not the result of an accident or random chance.

Yeah, it’s all coincidence... it’s not that he is a fascist... no... no... no... it’s a coincidence that he fits descriptions of fascist. He should sue Hitler...

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Maybe he is a fascist and a Nazi, I don't know. In any case he's still a human being who hasn't done anything illegal and has the right to free speech and the right to publicize his books.

Guess what right we have?

[Forogil]

I couldn't understand why that image would clearly reference Peterson, but digging a bit further I could see (which was the original point of discussion hence "is this from the same issue"):
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/...510541321?s=20

"Chaos and Order" is clearly something Peterson discusses, and the reference for "10 rules for life" seems fairly obvious. I don't think either is something red skull is normally associated with.

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Maybe he is a fascist and a Nazi, I don't know. In any case he's still a human being who hasn't done anything illegal and has the right to free speech and the right to publicize his books.

Nobody's argued otherwise.

The point is; everyone else is free to mock him and his ideas for being Nazi-adjacent, and if that bothers Peterson, tough noogies. He gets to put up with it and deal, because thats entirely within freedom of speech too.

He does not have any "freedom from criticism and condemnation". That isn't a thing. He's either a neo-Nazi, or he's stupid enough to not realize his views and beliefs echo Nazi propaganda so completely it appears he's cribbing directly off their notes. He can either disavow all that stuff he's said as bullshit that he should never have proposed, or he can learn to deal with people recognizing him for what he is.

[Edge-]

The amusing thing is also that....comics have always been political. Remember Captain America punching Hitler in the face? That was overtly political, and nowadays we have folks clutching pearls at what was once the most American thing a person could do, instead presenting it as very troubling political violence.

Sure, not all comics are political, or comics that may have political themes aren't political all the time, but the notion that comics have ever been this a-political piece of entertainment is poppycock and balderdash. Absolutely nonsense.

Comics, the heroes and villains, change with society. Always have. Always will. Don't like it? Don't buy them. Go buy whatever that alt-comic group that spun up a few years ago to sell PATRIOTIC comics was.

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The amusing thing is also that....comics have always been political. Remember Captain America punching Hitler in the face? That was overtly political, and nowadays we have folks clutching pearls at what was once the most American thing a person could do, instead presenting it as very troubling political violence.

Literally Stan Lee, in 1968, in one of his comics directly, rather than some comment outside the medium;


Just as a still-relevant example.

Comics have pretty much always been political, at least in the lifetime span of anyone posting here.

[Levelfive]

That's because Red Skull uses the same themes as Jordan Peterson in their comic:




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It might be a coincidence but when there's more than one coincidence it makes it seem like it's not the result of an accident or random chance.

Almost there!

[Milchshake]

I heard a rumor. Tucker Carlson and Co-host Glenn Greenwald will spend an hour discussing, "Who is the Red Skull? And why do libruls want to cancel him?" Gamergaters will be begging Jordan to sue Kathleen Kennedy and Marvel for besmirching his name.