Is Sylvanas the most evil character ever in WoW or just misunderstood?

[LemonDemonGirl]

According to this video, apparently Sylvanas is "just misunderstood, and these new writers are "treating her like a villain" cause they don't understand women, or the abuse they were given throughout their lives", even tho I can give many examples on why Sylvanas is as evil as a MoonGuard players sinstone.

Not all RPrs play on Moon Guard are like 'that' lol

Also that video is just... idk. Incorrect?

[TheFirstOnes]

Not all RPrs play on Moon Guard are like 'that' lol

Also that video is just... idk. Incorrect?

I know...I AM A MOONGUARD PLAYER!

Also, the video is completely wrong.

[VladlTutushkin]

She goes on and on about life and death, death, what happens with death etc. She doesn't want destroy everything, at what point did the writers or sylv point at that at all? If she wanted the destruction of everything she would have sided with Sargeras and the Legion in Legion. *if* she is right and *if* she manages to succeed in un-breaking the shadowlands then aren't those relatively small amount of lives (which a lot will come out the other end) worth the sacrifice to save the souls for the rest of time? You seem to be missing the point that THAT is EXACTLY what Blizzard meant by Sylv being morally grey? Arthas was morally grey when he purged Stratholme and Sylv is morally grey when she 'purged' azeroth. Both did it for the greater good.

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Everyone else on Azeroth *is* incompetent vs the leaders of the shadowlands. In fact the only way to get even remotely close to any of it was through long laid plans executed by the Jailer. She was incompetent, her competence comes mostly from the power gifted to her from the Jailer. She wouldn't have had a chance vs Arthas to get the helm of dom and split it to open the way.

My logic isn't built around trusting her at all, it's built around how the writers are driving a clear narrative here. My logic is built around the fact that without that drive and reasoning that Sylv is just some evil chad with no motivation and lied fabricating a very clear and obvious motivation that would make a lot of sense and has been hinted at in game and in books since what... legion?

What do you mean there is no arguing here, are you legitimately trying to tell me that you are 100% right and there is no possibility whatsoever that you are wrong? Because that's the kind of arrogance I forgot you get on mmo-c.

Talking about arrogance while taking a stance like yours is really rich.

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You, sir, can't read. What has that to do with my post at all?

Infracted.

Because you "signed" under a post that is essentially about that.

[AcidicSyn]

No she is not the most evil character in Warcraft.
No she is not misunderstood.

She was a tragic character. Now shes also evil.

[Eggroll]

TLDR: the character is incredibly misunderstood and i can't blame the players for it, because the key parts of understanding the character are hidden in novels, short stories, tiny quest texts, and a bunch of incredibly poorly portrayed BFA story beats. the writers have a solid character who i adore, but you have to jump through a million hoops to be here with her rn.

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So, she can't deal with rejection and makes everyone else pay for it. Let's remember that she was also behind the plague attack at the Wrathgate, that she ressurrected undead with the Valkyr in Cata already. And what did the good treatment by Anduin exactly gain the Alliance, or more specifically the night elves?

Really? You can be sympathetic with someone who repays rejection by a loved one with genocide? Yeah, sure it wasn't her fault she was made into a zombie. But neither was it the fault of all those innocents she punished.

She's just too cowardly to face death, she's a fucking drama queen.

[Tanaria]

SNIP

The video is just a lot of rubbish.

Garrosh bombed Theramore, this youtuber would say "he evil!!!"
Sylvanas bombed Darnassus, this youtuber says "she be misunderstood! Your a misogynist if you think different!"

No - the character is a plague to the story. She was made Warchief for fan-service. Nothing more and the proof was in the writing.
She invaded kaldorei land. A people she had no quarrels with and land that was always there's. Nobody come at me and say "Oh well it was Troll land..." No it wasn't. See the Troll Empire map. The whole of the north western side of Kalimdor did not belong to any tribe, barring a few dark troll settlements.
She put Quel'Thalas into a position where it's the only line of defense for the Horde on the Eastern Kingdoms. She went out of her way to try and kill Lor'themar and Thalyssra - two characters who were still on her side, at the moment when Azshara broke the seas. She was prepared to see Silvermoon and Suramar go without their leaders. Suramar had only recently lost 1 leader.

The sooner Windrunner is gone, like Illidan, the better the story...especially for the Blood Elves. I'm sick of having their story involve Sylvanas. Lor'themar Theron is their leader, not her...never her. Not some cretin corpse zombie.

[bagina]

The poll choices are shit.

Anyway, she's not even in the top 5 most evil characters in WoW. Hmm... If I had to describe her alignment...she's Michael Douglas' character in "Falling Down" taken to the extreme.

[Ihavewaffles]

Actually Bolvar is the true villain, pretending he isn't lich kingish, that he is a "good guy" he just want to level up n take the jailor's power...

he will betray us, u will see!

[Kathranis]

Even if Sylvanas is just evil, her misdeeds still pale in comparison to the likes of the Burning Legion, which have destroyed countless civilizations.

Hell, there are worse people that are just footnotes on tombstones in Revendreth.

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She's just too cowardly to face death, she's a fucking drama queen.

Would you want to spend eternity in the Maw? Most people don't even want to spend enough time there to do daily quests.

[VladlTutushkin]

Even if Sylvanas is just evil, her misdeeds still pale in comparison to the likes of the Burning Legion, which have destroyed countless civilizations.

Hell, there are worse people that are just footnotes on tombstones in Revendreth.

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Would you want to spend eternity in the Maw? Most people don't even want to spend enough time there to do daily quests.

Her misdeeds are worse because the fact that all the souls that died during that war went to the Maw. Even Legion couldnt do that to a soul.

[huth]

Her misdeeds are worse because the fact that all the souls that died during that war went to the Maw. Even Legion couldnt do that to a soul.

Something she not only knew, but was the main reason for why she was trying to kill as many as possible.

[Soon-TM]

Idk if Sylv gurl is the most evil character in WoW, but she's certainly the dumbest one. Imagine hating Arthas so much only to end up licking the boots of Arthas' employer lul.

[Raisei]

Even if Sylvanas is just evil, her misdeeds still pale in comparison to the likes of the Burning Legion, which have destroyed countless civilizations.

Hell, there are worse people that are just footnotes on tombstones in Revendreth.

Well, aparently the Jailer and Denathrius first started the Burning Crusade by sending the Dreadlords to show Sargeras a void-infested planet and thus putting him on the path, most likely with the goal of also increasing the flow of souls into the Maw. Sylvanas is being manipulated just like the demons were. It is even quite possible that she was told to start the Blood War specifically because the Legion failed to kill everyone on Azeroth. That would also explain why she wasn't doing anything substantially during the Legion Invasion apart from trying to become immortal.

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Would you want to spend eternity in the Maw? Most people don't even want to spend enough time there to do daily quests.

Nobody would, but Sylvanas deserved it. Ever since regaining her free will, she has been a murderous villain with no regard for anyone but herself. That she now tries to drop responsibility for that by denying the existence of free will is just typical for her. It's always someone else's fault when she goes murdering people. The Blood War was Genn's fault, Teldrassil is on Saurfang, all her other crimes because "The world is unfair, I deserve better."
The fact that she has not once accepted responsibility for her cruel acts is also why I assume she could not be cleansed in Revendreth. For that she first would have to admit wrong-doing and that will never happen. Sylvanas quite literally would and will tear down reality before admitting that she has done something wrong.

[LordVargK]

Nobody would, but Sylvanas deserved it. Ever since regaining her free will, she has been a murderous villain with no regard for anyone but herself. That she now tries to drop responsibility for that by denying the existence of free will is just typical for her. It's always someone else's fault when she goes murdering people. The Blood War was Genn's fault, Teldrassil is on Saurfang, all her other crimes because "The world is unfair, I deserve better."
The fact that she has not once accepted responsibility for her cruel acts is also why I assume she could not be cleansed in Revendreth. For that she first would have to admit wrong-doing and that will never happen. Sylvanas quite literally would and will tear down reality before admitting that she has done something wrong.

Something something entire Blizzard development team self insert

[Darth-Piekus]

Well, aparently the Jailer and Denathrius first started the Burning Crusade by sending the Dreadlords to show Sargeras a void-infested planet and thus putting him on the path, most likely with the goal of also increasing the flow of souls into the Maw. Sylvanas is being manipulated just like the demons were. It is even quite possible that she was told to start the Blood War specifically because the Legion failed to kill everyone on Azeroth. That would also explain why she wasn't doing anything substantially during the Legion Invasion apart from trying to become immortal.

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Nobody would, but Sylvanas deserved it. Ever since regaining her free will, she has been a murderous villain with no regard for anyone but herself. That she now tries to drop responsibility for that by denying the existence of free will is just typical for her. It's always someone else's fault when she goes murdering people. The Blood War was Genn's fault, Teldrassil is on Saurfang, all her other crimes because "The world is unfair, I deserve better."
The fact that she has not once accepted responsibility for her cruel acts is also why I assume she could not be cleansed in Revendreth. For that she first would have to admit wrong-doing and that will never happen. Sylvanas quite literally would and will tear down reality before admitting that she has done something wrong.

One thing that bothers me in all of this. The Jailer kickstarted the creation of the Legion which led to the creation of the first Horde via Fel and the first two Wars. Was Sylvannas manipulated and the whole Horde with her or are they just a bunch of idiots? What about her loyalists? What about the Jailer? Is he an idiot for thinking that he could stand against an Old God or the Burning Legion?

[Marakara]

No she's hot so she's good

[TheFirstOnes]

Actually Bolvar is the true villain, pretending he isn't lich kingish, that he is a "good guy" he just want to level up n take the jailor's power...

he will betray us, u will see!

That just looks like the coolest version of LK Bolvar I've ever seen...

Man, fuck Sylvanas.

[Ihavewaffles]

That just looks like the coolest version of LK Bolvar I've ever seen...

Man, fuck Sylvanas.

found it here
https://www.deviantart.com/hoseinsharifi/gallery/all

[TheFirstOnes]

found it here
https://www.deviantart.com/hoseinsharifi/gallery/all

Nice. Bolvar ain't bad tho.

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One thing that bothers me in all of this. The Jailer kickstarted the creation of the Legion which led to the creation of the first Horde via Fel and the first two Wars. Was Sylvannas manipulated and the whole Horde with her or are they just a bunch of idiots? What about her loyalists? What about the Jailer? Is he an idiot for thinking that he could stand against an Old God or the Burning Legion?

I'm sure he could 100% stand against the Void and the Legion. Why do you think N'Zoth's pissing his pants about the Jailer when we're fighting him?

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The poll choices are shit.

Anyway, she's not even in the top 5 most evil characters in WoW. Hmm... If I had to describe her alignment...she's Michael Douglas' character in "Falling Down" taken to the extreme.

"She's not even top 5"

SHE IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN GARROSH!

[Raisei]

One thing that bothers me in all of this. The Jailer kickstarted the creation of the Legion which led to the creation of the first Horde via Fel and the first two Wars. Was Sylvannas manipulated and the whole Horde with her or are they just a bunch of idiots? What about her loyalists? What about the Jailer? Is he an idiot for thinking that he could stand against an Old God or the Burning Legion?

I think the plan was to have the Burning Legion wipe out all life in the galaxy. This would have increased the flow of anima into the Shadowlands. I assume this plan started BEFORE the Jailer was send to the Maw, it might even be the reason.
As one of the Eternal Ones he would have had access to the huge quantities of anima pouring into the Shadowlands by whole planets being destroyed and probably together with Denathrius he would have killed the other Eternal Ones. But his meddling was discovered before that could happen.

I do not think he much cared about any of the living, so creating the Horde and the first Wars were beneath his notice. He might not even have cared about Sargeras, since it is quite possible that after all creations anima is in his hand a Titan isn't a threat to him anymore. He could have destroyed him after the universe was cleansed of life.
But his plans were discovered and he was imprisoned. So now he had to work differently. First he needed enough anima to escape the Maw. Which required 1) the breaking of the Arbiter and 2) increasing the soul flow.

The second was quite hampered by the Legion's unlikely defeat, but like many others I think that the death of Argus might be what broke the Arbiter. It is said that she knows everything a soul has lived through in an instant and knowing the torture Sargeras inflicted on Argus, maybe even reliving it all at once, could very well be enough to break her. With that done, he only needed to increase the flow of souls again and thus had Sylvanas start her war.

Basically what I mean is that they were all tools. Sargeras and the Legion, the Horde, Sylvanas, the Loyalists. All thought they were following their own goals when in fact the Jailer was the one profitting.