Gearing - Whats wrong with Blizzard ???

[Depakote]

Ksm isn't really that hard. Especially not as a mage

my statement stands.

[Alroxas]

Still my casual playstyle until this expansion has been doing dungeons and world quests to get upgrades (normal/heroic). I don't like the stress and toxicness of mythic (unless I can do them with a very familiar group - which isnt a possibility anymore since "everyone" quit the game).

Find new people to play with? It is a MMO for a reason. That's something I really don't understand, for a game that is built upon multiplayer, there's a lot of complainers that don't like the "multiplayer" aspect of the game. Alternatively don't go do current endgame content as again it's designed for groups of players to tackle. Go back 1.5 expansions where the content is soloable and then you'll be fine.

In legion, I remember doing world quests for loot and getting nice upgrades almost all the time (as ilvl was slightly above what I had, not like now, slightly below what I already have.. wtf is the meaning of that??).

It was called titanforging and they removed it in late BFA for good reason.

[Depakote]

Find new people to play with? It is a MMO for a reason. That's something I really don't understand, for a game that is built upon multiplayer, there's a lot of complainers that don't like the "multiplayer" aspect of the game. Alternatively don't go do current endgame content as again it's designed for groups of players to tackle. Go back 1.5 expansions where the content is soloable and then you'll be fine.




It was called titanforging and they removed it in late BFA for good reason.

Can't play with others if they don't want to play with you, funny how that works isn't it?
Also what good reason was there to remove titanforging?

[kaminaris]

Can't play with others if they don't want to play with you, funny how that works isn't it?
Also what good reason was there to remove titanforging?

It disrupted raidlogging and forced raiders to grind content /s

[Soon-TM]

problem is people dont want to put in any effort anymore. the nuber of +13/14 runs i have seen with people not using even a single flask/oils/food/pots etc is astonishing . i mean i dont care since its not my keys but i would never let in people liek this into my keys i run with guildies. and then they whine when timer is off by small marigins.

I can second this, the amount of ~1k toxic.io (loved that lol ) players in M13 or 14 who take crazy amounts of avoidable damage is freaking unbelievable. Ditto for consumables, pugging these days is more cancer than ever before.

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a friend of mine recently swapped from US servers to EU and managed to level a Mage to 60, pugged his way to Keystone Master for 15s got Ahead of the Curve all through pugging. I told him he'd made life harder for himself and he should have just found a guild and played with people but he did it anyway and is sat at a 220 item level.

Armory or it didn't happen.

[Couchpotato2013]

but they keep losing players.

Doesn’t matter, they make more money than ever off the addicts spending on wowtokens on alt blizz accounts to funnel gold to main in order to get boosted for fomo rewards.

Like just look at this list of azeroth’s champion players (click FoS and then phenomenal cosmic power achievement, look at the end of the list (most recent earner) and work backwards): https://wowranks.io/character-achievements

You’ll see so many players that were at best challenger/rival (or nothing at all) and then randomly in bfa s4 they get elite. Friends in my discord when we were going for the achievement quoted 7 million for being off meta spec carry in pvp and ~3ish million for meta spec. At the time back in August-October the wowtoken price was 150k in NA. Math out how much money for someone trying to get that. Hell even I wanted to do that and I did spend the money for the tokens, but didn’t spend it to get my last rank 4 essence (2400) for the title. All because it felt “unfair” to get boosted. Would rather fail on principle than get help that way.

There are loads of people playing the game like that right now for KSM; mythic raid (which the asking price was almost 800 bucks in tokens for a sire kill the first week of cross realm); and getting boosted to 1800/2100/2400 and glad for gold.

Blizzard doesn’t care, and in fact would likely prefer to design content in such a way that makes people more apt to resort to tokens for the fomo.

[Soon-TM]

Doesn’t matter, they make more money than ever off the addicts spending on wowtokens on alt blizz accounts to funnel gold to main in order to get boosted for fomo rewards.

Like just look at this list of azeroth’s champion players (click FoS and then phenomenal cosmic power achievement, look at the end of the list (most recent earner) and work backwards): https://wowranks.io/character-achievements

You’ll see so many players that were at best challenger/rival (or nothing at all) and then randomly in bfa s4 they get elite. Friends in my discord when we were going for the achievement quoted 7 million for being off meta spec carry in pvp and ~3ish million for meta spec. At the time back in August-October the wowtoken price was 150k in NA. Math out how much money for someone trying to get that. Hell even I wanted to do that and I did spend the money for the tokens, but didn’t spend it to get my last rank 4 essence (2400) for the title. All because it felt “unfair” to get boosted. Would rather fail on principle than get help that way.

There are loads of people playing the game like that right now for KSM; mythic raid (which the asking price was almost 800 bucks in tokens for a sire kill the first week of cross realm); and getting boosted to 1800/2100/2400 and glad for gold.

Blizzard doesn’t care, and in fact would likely prefer to design content in such a way that makes people more apt to resort to tokens for the fomo.

Maybe the way that they implemented Valor or made PvP the most lucrative (by far) way of gearing up wasn't "just a mistake" after all. Dem tokens weren't going to sell themselves, you know...

[arkanon]

Armory or it didn't happen.

Didnt you just immediately hand wave away multiple armory/wcl links because you instantly labeled them as "fake"? Now you are asking for an armory link as proof? How hypocritical of you.

Sure, I too could link any well placed toon in WCL and say "look folks, that's my toon". You are smart, but not enough - keep trying and you will improve /pat

Just to be clear - these two posts where made literally seconds apart.

[Soon-TM]

Didnt you just immediately hand wave away multiple armory links because you instantly labeled them as "fake"? Now you are asking for an armory link as proof? How hypocritical of you.

I handwaved just one, since I have no reasons to believe it was legit. Maybe you do have?

[arkanon]

I handwaved just one, since I have no reasons to believe it was legit. Maybe you do have?

And yet you have literally zero reason to believe it was fake, other than it not fitting your narrative.

[reemi]

I started 2 months ago, I'm now 214, no guild.

I'm a Paladin, so as a healer, you can get in higher players groups.

You can also make you own group, try an arena, people with 226 will ask to join you.

But, With my rogue.. it's a different story. I gave up because it's too long to get invite and upgrades.

I'm doing more pvp, almost no raids, 1-2 mythic per week.

[Soon-TM]

And yet you have literally zero reason to believe it was fake, other than it not fitting your narrative.

Imagine people randomly pulling !#$% out of their asses on the internet. Oh the horror.

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I started 2 months ago, I'm now 214, no guild.

I'm a Paladin, so as a healer, you can get in higher players groups.

You can also make you own group, try an arena, people with 226 will ask to join you.

But, With my rogue.. it's a different story. I gave up because it's too long to get invite and upgrades.

Roll a tank, and you will be invited everywhere. It's a good way to build up your toxic.io - if you can stomach it.

[Compher]

yeah, good idea. but running a m+10 in 202 item level seems not intended. so whats the intended way to improve when between 7 and 10 only drops 200 ???

Why does it seem not intended? There are people out there (that are REALLY good at this game) that have timed +15s with everyone being below 200 ilvl, so a team of all 200 ilvl people unable to do a +10, gear is not the limiting factor.

[Couchpotato2013]

I started 2 months ago, I'm now 214, no guild.

I'm a Paladin, so as a healer, you can get in higher players groups.

You can also make you own group, try an arena, people with 226 will ask to join you.

But, With my rogue.. it's a different story. I gave up because it's too long to get invite and upgrades.

One of the saddest things I realized in bfa when I got a bit antsy (guild not on so ok gotta pug) for m+ FoS in s3/4 was seeing the amount of groups in LFG going unfilled (30, 50 minutes or 1 hour with 3 dps or 1 tank and 2 dps). And then when sitting in pvp lfg as ret in bfa s4, felt pretty bad too. Started running laps for no reason to pass the time. Props for the people joining groups who go out on a limb to bring up possible diamonds in the rough.

[Frozenbro]

Armory or it didn't happen.

Whats the difference between pulling an armory link v/s wlogs? xd

[arkanon]

Whats the difference between pulling an armory link v/s wlogs? xd

There is no difference, and they have set a precedent of immediately dismissing any link provided as "fake" if it doesnt fit their narrative, so i would advise any request for a link be ignored.

[Soon-TM]

There is no difference, and they have set a precedent of immediately dismissing any link provided as "fake" if it doesnt fit their narrative, so i would advise any request for a link be ignored.

Of course you will, it's easier to make up !@$% that way. Can't really say I'm surprised though.

[Frozenbro]

Of course you will, it's easier to make up !@$% that way. Can't really say I'm surprised though.

But im serious, why is it different in your books? you know you can wowprog the toon and get the armory there right? xd why is it better when its arguably worse than wlogs in every sense?

Edit: nvm wowprog, wlogs has the armory link there too, i always forget about that.

[arkanon]

Why does it seem not intended? There are people out there (that are REALLY good at this game) that have timed +15s with everyone being below 200 ilvl, so a team of all 200 ilvl people unable to do a +10, gear is not the limiting factor.

To me it seemsa bout right - 185-200 ilvl completing a +10 is not just reasonable, but quite common......I am also aware there are some people demanding much higher ilvls etc for the same content, but they are not the ONLY groups lfm. I have a diverse group of friends who range from super casual and up, and we frequently run 7/8/9/10s with a group all sub 200 ilvl, and with some less than average players.

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Of course you will, it's easier to make up !@$% that way. Can't really say I'm surprised though.

So hang on - anyone who doesnt link their armory is "making shit up" and anyone who DOES link their armory, well, thats fake obviously.

[ohwell]

yeah, good idea. but running a m+10 in 202 item level seems not intended. so whats the intended way to improve when between 7 and 10 only drops 200 ???

Vault and events give you 200+ if you're doing content. You're just complaining to complain and it's another thinly veiled "bring back the vendor" because you want more for doing nothing.

You don't need 203 for heroic. 195-200 is adequate. Anyone asking for that high is looking to get carried themselves and should be avoided anyway.