Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Felya]

And if a few innocent people get theirs live destroyed that is perfectly acceptable right?

Are you talking about the people killed during the insurrection? Maybe the fact that “destroyed” is not referring to the people killed during the insurrection. But, just what’s designed and directed by his red right hand...

That last sentence isn’t meant for you... you aren’t supposed to understand... it’s for the cool kids.

[DKjaigen]

Why would we entertain imaginary fictions like this?

So you are resorting to lying again. I didnt expect anything else from somebody who is woke.

[cubby]

Are you talking about the people killed during the insurrection? Maybe the fact that “destroyed” is not referring to the people killed during the insurrection. But, just what’s designed and directed by his red right hand...

That last sentence isn’t meant for you... you aren’t supposed to understand... it’s for the cool kids.

That was...really well done.

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So you are resorting to lying again. I didnt expect anything else from somebody who is woke.

Endus a "woke liar? Holy FUCK are you completely out of touch with reality.

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And if a few innocent people get theirs live destroyed that is perfectly acceptable right?

What are you even talking about here?

[Endus]

So you are resorting to lying again. I didnt expect anything else from somebody who is woke.

That was a question, not a "lie".

You made shit up and cannot provide an example of it in reality. Why should we entertain that fiction?

[Kaleredar]

The woke left pawned themselves with their disgusting behaviour.

What does the conservative religious extremist taking action have to do with "the left?"

[Felya]

FYI: The HBO documentary about Q: Into the storm... sorry for spoiling the conclusion, like a year ago...

The schadenfreude... oh the schadenfreude...

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That was...really well done.

Good night!!!

[Xyonai]

The woke left pawned themselves with their disgusting behaviour.

Ah yes; the Woke are the ones in trouble because regressives on twitter had their feelings hurt, and not the violent reactionaries who've actually killed people. Oh what pearls of reposted wisdom will you share with us next time?

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1379586358231101444

Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist gaslighter. Jesus fucking christ the man is trying to rewrite history about the Jan. 6 insurrection attempt and dismiss the fact that a cop was fucking killed by the insurrectionists and two others took their own lives.

Tucker Carlson is filth. If you like him, you're probably filth too. @Me if you want, I don't care.

We don't hear Ashley's name because she was a god-damned insurrectionists killed while trying to force entry into a secure location while being warned that deadly force would be used if she continued. She's not a victim.

Tucker Carlson can't have an aneurism soon enough.

[Felya]

Hey Q dumb asses... here is Q laughing at you:

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https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ck/7193302002/

Rep. Dan Kildee has opened up about being diagnosed and treated for PTSD following the attack on the Capitol building. It's important stuff, these peoples lives were explicitly threatened and that causes psychological trauma.

[Edge-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/u...ot-report.html

WASHINGTON — The Capitol Police had clearer advance warnings about the Jan. 6 attack than were previously known, including the potential for violence in which “Congress itself is the target.” But officers were instructed by their leaders not to use their most aggressive tactics to hold off the mob, according to a scathing new report by the agency’s internal investigator.

In a 104-page report, the inspector general, Michael A. Bolton, criticized the way the Capitol Police prepared for and responded to the mob violence on Jan. 6. The report was reviewed by The New York Times and will be the subject of a Capitol Hill hearing on Thursday.

Mr. Bolton found that the agency’s leaders failed to adequately prepare despite explicit warnings that pro-Trump extremists posed a threat to law enforcement and civilians and that the police used defective protective equipment. He also found that the leaders ordered their Civil Disturbance Unit to refrain from using its most powerful crowd-control tools — like stun grenades — to put down the onslaught.

The report offers the most devastating account to date of the lapses and miscalculations around the most violent attack on the Capitol in two centuries.

Three days before the siege, a Capitol Police intelligence assessment warned of violence from supporters of President Donald J. Trump who believed his false claims that the election had been stolen. Some had even posted a map of the Capitol complex’s tunnel system on pro-Trump message boards.

“Unlike previous postelection protests, the targets of the pro-Trump supporters are not necessarily the counterprotesters as they were previously, but rather Congress itself is the target on the 6th,” the threat assessment said, according to the inspector general’s report. “Stop the Steal’s propensity to attract white supremacists, militia members, and others who actively promote violence may lead to a significantly dangerous situation for law enforcement and the general public alike.”

But on Jan. 5, the agency wrote in a plan for the protest that there were “no specific known threats related to the joint session of Congress.” And the former chief of the Capitol Police has testified that the force had determined that the likelihood of violence was “improbable.”

Mr. Bolton concluded such intelligence breakdowns stemmed from dysfunction within the agency and called for “guidance that clearly documents channels for efficiently and effectively disseminating intelligence information to all of its personnel.”

That failure conspired with other lapses inside the Capitol Police force to create a dangerous situation on Jan. 6, according to his account. The agency’s Civil Disturbance Unit, which specializes in handling large groups of protesters, was not allowed to use some of its most powerful tools and techniques against the crowd, on the orders of supervisors.

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“Heavier, less-lethal weapons,” including stun grenades, “were not used that day because of orders from leadership,” Mr. Bolton wrote. Officials on duty on Jan. 6 told him that such equipment could have helped the force to “push back the rioters.”

Mr. Bolton’s findings are scheduled to be discussed on Thursday afternoon, when he is scheduled to testify before the House Administration Committee. He has issued two investigative reports — both classified as “law enforcement sensitive” and not publicly released — about the agency’s shortcomings on Jan. 6. He is also planning a third report.

CNN first reported on a summary of the latest findings.

The report, titled, “Review of the Events Surrounding the Jan. 6, 2021, Takeover of the U.S. Capitol,” reserves some of its harshest criticism for the management of the agency’s Civil Disturbance Unit, which exists to prevent tragedies like Jan. 6. Instead, nearly 140 officers were injured, and one, Officer Brian D. Sicknick, later collapsed and died after being assaulted by rioters.

The Civil Disturbance Unit, Mr. Bolton wrote, was “operating at a decreased level of readiness as a result of a lack of standards for equipment.” In particular, Mr. Bolton focused in on an embarrassing lack of functional shields for Capitol Police officers during the riot.

Some of the shields that officers were equipped with during the riot “shattered upon impact” because they had been improperly stored in a trailer that was not climate-controlled, Mr. Bolton found. Others could not be used by the police in desperate need of protection because they were locked on a bus in the middle of the siege.

“When the crowd became unruly, the C.D.U. platoon attempted to access the bus to distribute the shields but were unable because the door was locked,” the report said, using an abbreviation for the Civil Disturbance Unit. The platoon “was consequently required to respond to the crowd without the protection of their riot shields.”

He also said the agency had an out-of-date roster and staffing issues.

“It is my hope that the recommendations will result in more effective, efficient, and/or economical operations,” Mr. Bolton wrote.

Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California and the chairwoman of the Administration Committee, called the inspector general’s findings “disturbing” but said he had provided Congress with “important recommendations” for an overhaul.

Since the Jan. 6 attack, Congress has undertaken a series of security reviews about what went wrong. The three top security officials in charge on that day resigned in disgrace, and they have since deflected responsibility for the intelligence failures, blaming other agencies, each other and at one point even a subordinate for the breakdowns that allowed hundreds of Trump supporters to storm the Capitol.

“None of the intelligence we received predicted what actually occurred,” the former Capitol Police chief, Steven A. Sund, testified in February before the Senate. “These criminals came prepared for war.”

But the inspector general report makes clear that the agency had received some warnings about how Mr. Trump’s extremist supporters were growing increasingly desperate as he promoted lies about election theft.

“Supporters of the current president see Jan. 6, 2021, as the last opportunity to overturn the results of the presidential election,” said the assessment three days before the riot. “This sense of desperation and disappointment may lead to more of an incentive to become violent.”

The Department of Homeland Security warned the Capitol Police on Dec. 21 of comments on a pro-Trump website promoting attacks on members of Congress with a map of the tunnel system, according to the inspector general’s findings.

“Several comments promote confronting members of Congress and carrying firearms during the protest,” a Capitol Police analyst wrote.

Among the comments reported to the Capitol Police: “Bring guns. It’s now or never,” and, “We can’t give them a choice. Overwhelming armed numbers is our only chance.”

On Jan. 5, the F.B.I.’s Norfolk field office, in Virginia, relayed another threat from an anonymous social media thread that warned of a looming war at the Capitol.

“Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled,” the message read. “Get violent … stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.”

Last month, the former police chief testified that the F.B.I. report reached the Capitol Police the day before the attack, but not him directly. He said that an officer assigned to a law enforcement joint terrorism task force received the document and sent it to an unnamed intelligence division official on the force.

Nevertheless, Mr. Bolton said, Capitol Police fell short in several other ways in preventing a mob attack.

The agency did not train its recent recruits with the required 40 hours of civil disturbance training, citing concerns about the coronavirus, and failed to ensure its officers completed their 16 to 24 hours of annual training over “the past few years.”

Munitions stocked in the police armory were beyond their expiration date, and the agency repeatedly failed to adequately complete required quarterly audits of the unit, the inspector general said.

Moreover, within the agency, the Civil Disturbance Unit “has a reputation as an undesired assignment” and that fostered a “culture” that decreased “operational readiness,” the inspector general found.

TLDR: Capitol police were a bit of a clown show. Unprepared despite ample warnings, equipment that was either straight up locked up or broke immediately, heavier crowd control tools like flashbangs weren't used.

There's gonna need to be serious accountability for this extensive and expansive of a failure of leadership.

[Ripster42]

Moreover, within the agency, the Civil Disturbance Unit “has a reputation as an undesired assignment”

NGL, I can see why dealing with mobs is not a desired assignment.

[DarkTZeratul]

TLDR: Capitol police were a bit of a clown show. Unprepared despite ample warnings, equipment that was either straight up locked up or broke immediately, heavier crowd control tools like flashbangs weren't used.

There's gonna need to be serious accountability for this extensive and expansive of a failure of leadership.

I'm both relieved and disturbed that this was just general incompetence on the part of the Capitol Police rather than a deliberate downplaying of legitimate threats by the administration.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Jesus christ on a fucking stick.

Believing the people there were "mostly peaceful, law-abiding Americans" - 51% of Republicans Agree. This compares to 25% of independents and 16% of Democrats.
Believing that the Jan. 6 attacks were SECRET ANTIFA - 55% of Republicans Agree, this compares to 25% of independents (again!) and 19% of Democrats (slight increase).

I was actually more surprised that 41% disagreed that the protestors were mostly peaceful.... Until I saw that 55% still believe that it was a false-flag operation conducted by Antifa and BLM....then it made sense.

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I'm both relieved and disturbed that this was just general incompetence on the part of the Capitol Police rather than a deliberate downplaying of legitimate threats by the administration.

It wasn't just general incompetence by the Capitol Police...though that was a pretty major factor. \

[Paranoid Android]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/u...ot-report.html



TLDR: Capitol police were a bit of a clown show. Unprepared despite ample warnings, equipment that was either straight up locked up or broke immediately, heavier crowd control tools like flashbangs weren't used.

There's gonna need to be serious accountability for this extensive and expansive of a failure of leadership.

Did your article have this.

The orders to Capital Police not to use aggressive tactics also falls in line with the 1/4 memo from Christopher Miller stripping DC National Guard of tools ahead of 1/6. Simply put, they were setting up Congress to be sitting ducks. https://t.co/Hj7LfWNaZ4

https://twitter.com/PJC_Raiders/stat...880684545?s=19

This seems like a top down order of not be aggressive in tactics, their words. Seems like the Trump administration wanted their insurrection treated with kit gloves.

[Dontrike]

Did your article have this.



https://twitter.com/PJC_Raiders/stat...880684545?s=19

This seems like a top down order of not be aggressive in tactics, their words. Seems like the Trump administration wanted their insurrection treated with kit gloves.

No surprise, Trump and his lackeys absolutely wanted some to die, from Pelosi and AOC to Pence, to prove some sort of point.If the former two were killed he could call it a win and take over, if Pence got killed he could use it as a "Antifa killed the Vice President" calling for more people to join in.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ioter-n1264082

And unsurprisingly, no charges for the officer that shot and killed Babbitt.

In a press release announcing the decision, the Justice Department said the investigation did not find evidence that the officer had violated any federal laws while believing "that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber.”

Don't try to break through the doors in a secure area to access another secure area actively guarded by an armed law enforcement officer pointing guns at you and telling you to disperse.

Why couldn't she just follow the cops instructions?

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/a...otice-feds-say

Multiple affiliates of the Oath Keepers, and multiple cases that appeared to contain firearms, made the trip to a Virginia hotel in advance of the Jan. 6 attack on Congress, a federal prosecutor said Wednesday.

And these people, and suspected weapons, were ready to swoop into D.C. “at a moment’s notice” during the attack on the Capitol, he said.

The details about the purported “quick reaction force” set up in a hotel in Arlington, Virginia were the most extensive that federal prosecutors have revealed to date about their knowledge of an alleged force ready and waiting to join the Capitol attack.

The description came during a hearing for one Oath Keeper, Kenneth Harrelson, who’s been indicted alongside several others with conspiring to interrupt Congress’ certification of Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory, among other charges. In a court filing earlier this week, the government noted that surveillance footage from the Comfort Inn in Ballston showed Harrelson picking up what appeared to be a rifle case from a hotel room there on Jan. 7.

On Wednesday, assistant U.S. attorney Jeffrey Nestler said “additional surveillance video from the Comfort Inn shows not just Mr. Harrelson, but other individuals who were affiliated with the Oath Keepers, including Person Three and others, carrying up and down from the lobby and back, multiple different items that look similar to this — large carrying cases that appear to be consistent with rifle cases.”

Person Three is the label that prosecutors have used for someone who allegedly booked a room in the Comfort Inn, and, according to an alleged Dec. 30 message from co-defendant Thomas Caldwell, was “committed to being the quick reaction force anf [sic] bringing the tools if something goes to hell.”

Also on the surveillance footage, Nesler said, was an individual who appeared to carry a rifle draped under a sheet, or a piece of linen.

Most notably, Nestler alleged that “Mr. Harrelson and others had stashed a large among of weapons there, and that people who were affiliated with this group were at the Comfort inn in Ballston on Jan. 6, monitoring what was happening at the Capitol, communicating with other members of the team, including Mr. Harrelson on the Signal chats, and prepared to come into DC and ferry these weapons in to the ground team, which Mr. Harrelson was running, at a moment’s notice if anyone said the word.”

Yo, so can conservatives and Republicans stop pretending like this wasn't a serious event that could have been far, far, far, far worse had these determined, murderous nutters moved ahead with all their plans?

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148

First guilty plea is in. Jon Schaffer of the Oath Keepers, and frontman for Iced Earth (who I used to listen to I think : |), has pleaded guilty to obstruction an official proceeding and entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon.

https://www.syracuse.com/us-news/202...itol-riot.html

Jon Ryan Schaffer, the frontman of the band Iced Earth, has agreed to cooperate with investigators in hopes of getting a lighter sentence, and the Justice Department will consider putting Schaffer in the federal witness security program, U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta said.

And he's glowing quite brightly too, probably a lot of sweaty palms in the militia circles right now.

[postman1782]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55626148

First guilty plea is in. Jon Schaffer of the Oath Keepers, and frontman for Iced Earth (who I used to listen to I think : |), has pleaded guilty to obstruction an official proceeding and entering a restricted building with a dangerous weapon.

https://www.syracuse.com/us-news/202...itol-riot.html



And he's glowing quite brightly too, probably a lot of sweaty palms in the militia circles right now.

And since they colluded with the Proud Boys and probably other groups that were there, they might also get more Proud Boy arrests, and added to the conspiracy to commit sedition charges.

[Noxx79]

Kinda funny that people trying to impress a rock star could mean criminal charges for a bunch of people who claim to hate “hollywood elites” who don’t just shut up and entertain us.

I mean they elected Trump, the epitome of elitism and unearned money, as president, so this isn’t a surprise.