Jordan Peterson: Parody or Facsimile of Red Skull?

[Slant]

It isn't a "parody of Jordan Peterson". It's an accurate description of fascism's appeal.

That Jordan Peterson will push fascism and neo-Nazi bullshit like the "cultural marxism" anti-semitic Nazi conspiracy theory, without realizing that's what he's doing, just goes to show the man is a colossal fucking idiot.

Or a liar. If he wants to pretend he's not an idiot, "liar" is an option. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I've only sporadically watched some of his stuff. It's not that easy to spot his ideology based on single debates, tbh.

[Machismo]

Must be a slow news day.

Ummm, the guy literally defended Nazis, and said people who opposed them were scum.

[Mayhem]

Add all the other tanks, vehicles, planes, ships, etc.

So quit ur cold war propaganda.

Sure, they had 22.000 tanks in 41 they also lost 20.000 tanks, Germany had 5.000 tanks and lost 2.700. So by the end of 41, Germany had more Tanks than Russia.

	                1941	1942	1943	1944	1945	Total
Soviet Tank strength(1)	22,600	7,700	20,600	21,100	25,400
German Tank strength(1)	5,262	4,896	5,648	5,266	6,284
Soviet Tank Production	6,274	24,639	19,959	16,975	4,384	72,231
German Tank Production	3,256	4,278	5,966	9,161	1,098	23,759
Production ratio(2)
(German:Soviet)	1:2	1:5.6	1:3.3	1:1.85	1:4	1:3
Soviet Tank losses	20,500	15,000	22,400	16,900	8,700	83,500
German Tank losses	2,758	2,648	6,362	6,434	7,382	25,584
Tank exchange ratio(2)
(German:Soviet)	1:7	1:6	1:4	1:4	1:1.2	1:4.4

[Felya]

Are you for real?

Uhm... that’s your reputation here... just FYI...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No accusations of racism of fascism? Giving feedback on why the other person is wrong in a rational and constructive matter . Actually fighting for a cause that is worthwile. Oh no Saying Stann Lee is woke is insulting.

Well Good news then by those standards nothing Marvel has done in recent years is “woke” either!

[Mihalik]

Wait, you think America didn't contribute anything to fighting the Nazis? We gave the Allies ships, tanks, and planned the biggest invasion in history. Without the US, Europe would probably still be under Nazi rule.

Not really...but we'd probably be fluent in Russian.

[Machismo]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

You mean like forced monogamy?

[Endus]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

Could you probably dig some nuggets of good advice out of the pit of Nazi bullshit he swims around in? Sure.

Same was true of Hitler himself, almost certainly.

The thing is, I have absolutely no desire to exert effort to sift through that pit of bullshit in the hopes that I can pull out something useful or true. In either case. Not when there are myriad other sources not steeped in Nazi bullshit. That there's any Nazi bullshit in there at all is enough reason to reject him as a valid source of "wisdom". He has nothing unique to say that cannot be gotten anywhere else, in the first place.

[SirBeef]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

You really need to stop. You keep saying you aren't this person that we all know you are bu then you defend a nazi sympathizing misogynist, bad faith idiot. Really the only people that would defend this pile of human excriment named Jordan Peterson, are people like him. And let's see, you definatly have spouses pro nazi arguments and constantly post in bad faith. I haven't paid attention if you had any misogynistic post, but I'm sure you fall along the lines of the "barefoot and pregnant" types too.

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Wait, you think America didn't contribute anything to fighting the Nazis? We gave the Allies ships, tanks, and planned the biggest invasion in history. Without the US, Europe would probably still be under Nazi rule.

Not quite. Nazi Germany would have ran out of resources fighting the Russians and the Russians would have taken over.

[Bodakane]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

You act like he has some unique take on things.

He doesn't. He's like every other pseudo intelligent racist.....he only appears smart to people like you. You guys mistake being proficient at public speaking with intelligence all because he says things that appeal to your own insecurities and gives you scapegoats in other races.

Also a broken clock is right twice a day, doesn't mean I should use it.

[downnola]

Could you probably dig some nuggets of good advice out of the pit of Nazi bullshit he swims around in? Sure.

Same was true of Hitler himself, almost certainly.

The thing is, I have absolutely no desire to exert effort to sift through that pit of bullshit in the hopes that I can pull out something useful or true. In either case. Not when there are myriad other sources not steeped in Nazi bullshit. That there's any Nazi bullshit in there at all is enough reason to reject him as a valid source of "wisdom". He has nothing unique to say that cannot be gotten anywhere else, in the first place.

To expand on your point:

Interested in psychology? Read Carl Jung.
Interested in story telling and mythology? Read Joseph Campbell.
In a bad spot in life, feel lost, and in need of help? See a therapist/psychiatrist.

Peterson does have some useful things to say about all of the above but it's nothing you couldn't get by just going to the source (while not being distorted to boot). The problem with Peterson is that you're exposed to all of the mildly and no so mildly fascist shit he has to say about feminism, liberalism, and Marxism while you're listening to his other stuff.

You don't have to be openly fascist to contribute to it's rise. His entire shtick of propping up an imaginary enemy that rules from the Ivory tower and is trying to destroy the culture from within is fascism 101.

[Bodakane]

Peterson, Carlson, Shapiro, et all.....are just pretend big brain talk mixed with pretend big dick bravado to appeal to a bunch of guys who are insecure about the size of their brains and dicks.

[Azadina]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

Did you clean your room yet, or you still grilling meat for the all meat diet?

[Felya]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

I don’t obey...

[Mayhem]

Not quite. Nazi Germany would have ran out of resources fighting the Russians and the Russians would have taken over.

Hu, so if you see the chart I've posted, would you really say the Germans would've run out of resources if the US hadn't contributed to the British and Soviet efforts since 40/41?

[Slant]

Peterson, Carlson, Shapiro, et all.....are just pretend big brain talk mixed with pretend big dick bravado to appeal to a bunch of guys who are insecure about the size of their brains and dicks.

This is my take as well. They're like a little more sophisticated forum posters from MMO-C, really. A lot of buzzphrases, throwing around debate arguments ("Fallacy!" - "No, STRAWMAN!" - "GOALPOSTS!!11!!one") and I have little to no respect for them or their position. Especially Shapiro seems to try to make professional debater a career. I'm sure he would argue in favour of the holocaust if you gave him enough money.

[Skulltaker]

Could you probably dig some nuggets of good advice out of the pit of Nazi bullshit he swims around in? Sure.

Same was true of Hitler himself, almost certainly.

The thing is, I have absolutely no desire to exert effort to sift through that pit of bullshit in the hopes that I can pull out something useful or true. In either case. Not when there are myriad other sources not steeped in Nazi bullshit. That there's any Nazi bullshit in there at all is enough reason to reject him as a valid source of "wisdom". He has nothing unique to say that cannot be gotten anywhere else, in the first place.

It's like saying 'Hitler did some good for Germany as well.' I mean, yeah. He rebuilt the infrastructure and lifted the people's spirit up. His motives were shit, though. You'll be hard-pressed to find any 'evil' person who only did harm for the people he ruled and caused nothing but suffering.

[minteK917]

Anyone who tries to pretend Jordan Peterson isn't at least conveying some intelligent points or crucial wisdom should routinely have their opinions disregarded. Those people aren't arguing in good faith.

What? This idiot cant even hold a position in any discussion.

Average Peterson talking point: Medicine and healthcare has killed more people then it saved. Now im not saying thats true, mabye it did not, but i dont know that and you dont know that. Mabye it did, mabye it didnt.

Big brain discussions. When he makes a good point, he stumbles on it by mistake and nothing else. If you interpret this person has some great thinker, you were sold a fucking bridge and i question your critical thinking. On that note, clean up your room.

[Forogil]

You're just straight-up defending the Nazi propaganda at this point.

Simply wrong.
The problem is instead you that de-value the Nazis by throwing them around so lightly.

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This is my take as well. They're like a little more sophisticated forum posters from MMO-C, really. A lot of buzzphrases, throwing around debate arguments ("Fallacy!" - "No, STRAWMAN!" - "GOALPOSTS!!11!!one") and I have little to no respect for them or their position. Especially Shapiro seems to try to make professional debater a career. I'm sure he would argue in favour of the holocaust if you gave him enough money.

I haven't seen Shapiro as convincing or interesting in video (and mostly not discussing relevant topics; so I have just ignored him).

However, I did look him up (to check how likely the holocaust is) and he actually left Breitbart due to having some form of conscience and wrote:
"Indeed, Breitbart News, under the chairmanship of Steve Bannon, has put a stake through the heart of Andrew’s legacy. In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda, to the extent that he abandoned and undercut his own reporter, Breitbart News’ Michelle Fields, in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who allegedly assaulted Michelle."

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Average Peterson talking point: Medicine and healthcare has killed more people then it saved. Now im not saying thats true, mabye it did not, but i dont know that and you dont know that. Mabye it did, mabye it didnt.

Yeah, https://youtu.be/2O_gW4VWZ5c?t=2842 - that's clearly wrong.

And "superbugs" are just what we call bugs that medicine cannot handle. Without medicine all bugs would be as deadly as superbugs (or close to).
And then he spreads the myth that medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, which is wrong https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are...0%2Fyear%29%20

[Elegiac]

Interested in psychology? Read Carl Jung.

Or don't, because Jung's work is mostly fantasy fiction with a pseudoscientific veneer.

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Simply wrong.
The problem is instead you that de-value the Nazis by throwing them around so lightly.

The only people "de-valuing the Nazis" are the people trying to paint fascism as some exceptional outlier and not capitalism's immune response to reform, because in doing so y'all make it incredibly easy for fascists to legitimise themselves with the excuse "Well we aren't speaking German and using swastikas anymore so how could we *possibly* be fascists?"

So, thanks for that.