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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by mmocfd1b0ab5a3 View Post
    It's not about if those macros are working or not. Castsequence for example never got changed from TBC to retail but the behavior of Steady Shot and Auto Shot got fixed in WotLK. Auto Shot got delayed by Steady Shot and this allowed the chaincasting of Steady Shot

    https://legacy.zam.com/wiki/shot_rot...(3:2_rotation)

    you see that kind of behavior in action here if you run it at 0.25 speed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cObqUH-zKwg
    I know how it works in 2.4.3 client.
    What I want to know is how it is recreated in legion client that tbc is using. Unless you wanted to say that the same macro works.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundering View Post
    Since when is holy paladin on the list the only reason you bring 1 at the most 2 is the blessing and tank healing combo, remove the blessings and holy paladin would be the worst class/specc ingame.
    Tank healing? And even if pala is worthless, picking 1 out of 5, doesnt do a lot against my argument.

  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowroguetbc View Post
    People are all saying this macro is working in the beta, did they break it?
    I heard its not workin on PTR. Didnt tried but i heard about it on YT about week ago.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Nite92 View Post
    Tank healing? And even if pala is worthless, picking 1 out of 5, doesnt do a lot against my argument.
    No, I agree with you but what i say is only 1/5 is really viable for the meta healing. Paladins are not really better in tbc for tank healing than druids and priests. You just want one due to its best way to bring 1 more blessing and they are viable tank healers.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Let's just nerf everyone. That'll make it truly hardcore, right?

    AKA: No. Just leave TBC as it was. #Nochanges is the right way to go.
    #nochanges is definitively not the way to go.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    And why not?

    Any change you make potentially ruins someone else's game, that they remember and want to experience again.

    No changes is the only way that makes sense.
    Yeah exactly. Keeping worldbuffs and mages as they were in classic was amazing!
    There is no way you will anywhere close experience what you experienced back in the day. It is a myth. It wont happen. And it will certainly not happen if #nochanges is a thing.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    And why not?

    Any change you make potentially ruins someone else's game, that they remember and want to experience again.

    No changes is the only way that makes sense.
    Because metas can evolve that push out what anyone ‘remembers’ and ruin the game as a whole for everyone. World buffs proved this, mage boosting proved this, gold farming methods proved this.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Say what you will about it - It was always possible in Classic, just because the meta shifted doesn't mean you have to. EVERY raid is clearable without worldbuffs. According to most naysayers, it's easy even.



    And changing everything will somehow make everything the same?

    The only way things CAN be the same, is if things don't change. That shouldn't need to be stated.

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    What the meta does, is literally irrelevant if you're looking to satisfy your memberberries. Classic ALLOWS you to play exactly as you would like to.

    Just because some mage is able to offer boosted characters, doesn't mean you can't.
    Idk if you actually played classic or not, but you aren’t making it sound like you did. When the meta gets shifted so hard that almost everyone is doing it and it’s hard to find groups UNLESS you follow the new meta, this directly impacts your memberries and can ruin your experience all together, hence world buff meta.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Say what you will about it - It was always possible in Classic, just because the meta shifted doesn't mean you have to. EVERY raid is clearable without worldbuffs. According to most naysayers, it's easy even.
    Yes it is easily do-able, but yet if you want to do good compared to others you have to get them. Making it not possible to play your character qutie some time.
    And yes it was possible in classic but nobody did it. Not even Nihilum did go for wbuffs even close to whats happening now. Just because discord was not a thing back then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    And changing everything will somehow make everything the same?

    The only way things CAN be the same, is if things don't change. That shouldn't need to be stated.
    YES it would have brought the experience closer to the actual vanilla experience. Nerfing mage capabilities would have given us a much closer experience like it was in classic, without this huge leveling boosts.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    As someone currently leveling a mage without doing the shitty mage grind strat

    It's just you. I've gotten plenty of plain dungeon runs, and the occasional free run from a 60. This is no different than it was late-Vanilla when people just stopped wanting to level because BC was on the horizon.

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    You literally cannot nerf mage capabilities without making mages less attractive as a group option, thus, changing the experience of every mage who ever played classic to an extreme degree, and potentially shifting the meta hard towards other classes.
    Why are you consistently bringing up the mage grinding strat when I’m specifically giving you the world buff meta. It’s almost like you are trying to switch the argument in order to dodge the topic I’m giving you.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    As someone currently leveling a mage without doing the shitty mage grind strat

    It's just you. I've gotten plenty of plain dungeon runs, and the occasional free run from a 60. This is no different than it was late-Vanilla when people just stopped wanting to level because BC was on the horizon.

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    You literally cannot nerf mage capabilities without making mages less attractive as a group option, thus, changing the experience of every mage who ever played classic to an extreme degree, and potentially shifting the meta hard towards other classes.
    Wtf are you talking about. Making mages not being able to kill 500 mobs at once, literally has 0 effect. Tell me one dungeon/raid where you pull more than lets say 50 mobs and rely on Blizzard.
    Last edited by Nite92; 2021-04-08 at 02:08 PM.

  12. #72
    BM hunter has always been a tutorial spec and shouldn't be competitive in any content. Otherwise Blizzard might as well allow us to use cheat codes in WoW.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    It's one of many complaints, of which, the world buff meta I already addressed. I have no reason to dodge a topic that has already been talked about and dismissed as a nonissue. But hey, feel how you wanna feel I guess.
    Im literally telling you it is an issue for me and that it directly impacted how the game was played for me. The fact that there are many many others here that are saying the same thing, makes this an issue. Just because you feel like it isn’t, doesn’t make the issue magically go away lol.

    “Hey guys global warming is really starting to impact how the world...”

    “I told you it’s a non issue, just listen to me”

    “But look it’s actually having an impact with...”

    “I said it’s a non issue”

    Ok I guess if this is how you think, there really is no helping you now is there?

    Edit: also the way you addressed it was “every raid is clear able without it so there’s no problem”.

    Sweetheart, that’s not addressing the issue. The issue is that the meta shifts into everyone REQUIRING them to get it because of how good they are. Which directly impact how EVERYONE is experiencing the game, full stop.

    You can LIKE this change, sure, but it’s still impacting you regardless.
    Last edited by shadowroguetbc; 2021-04-08 at 02:57 PM.

  14. #74
    There is no macro atm

    If you go to the discord and ask Sixx you will easily understand, if you can read english, that there is no macro and that BM + Melee Weaving is prob the way to go.

    Plus doing manually is better than any macro

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Which is a non-issue, because you could just NOT play that way. The meta doesn't make you play this way, YOU make yourself play this way because the meta exists. I am proof of this - I am currently NOT playing this way, and yet, my game experience is not hampered whatsoever.

    You coming here and demanding the entire game be changed to a different style of game, due to a problem you are easily able to solve, is not Blizzard's issue. That's why it's a non-issue.
    If your answer is “you could just NOT play that way”, then you have no business being in a discussion about metas. I’m sorry you just don’t. The issue isn’t that there is a something in the game that’s busted. The issue is when everyone follows it to an extent that you are also forced into it.

    Imagine if wanted to relive the wotlk experience. And somehow someone figured out that for wintergrasp all you had to do was clip through the wall guarding the orb and click it and WG is yours. Sure you don’t HAVE to do it. But if everyone else is doing it, then there really is no WG fight anymore.

    Does this logic really not connect with you? Like is this actually going over your head or are you just trying to play some mental gymnastics because you REALLY want no changes to still be a thing.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    You keep saying the bolded part - And yet, I haven't been forced into it at all.

    Your logic fails because you are lying. You are exaggerating the problem to make it fit your own worldview, when in fact, the problem is not nearly that bad, and can in fact just be ignored.

    That's the problem. Until you address that, you're just blowing smoke.

    EDIT:: And your wintergrasp point is only relatively on-point funny because Blizzard had to fix that bug IN Wrath. You are describing a bug, which would need to be addressed. If there was an open spot in the Wintergrasp room that nobody noticed, that'd be one thing - But there isn't. If people are abusing mechanics (such as terrain hopping - look at that, we're back at mage farming again!) that can be addressed. But you're not abusing mechanics by using World Buffs - In fact, you're literally using the buffs as intended.

    It being a pain in the butt to gather them doesn't change that.
    Tell me your character name, guild name, and server.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    No thanks.

    Even if all you would do is armory me, the idea that I'd consider giving out my info to anyone on this site is laughable.
    Why don’t you want to give your name up? You wouldn’t be....lying to help your point would you? Man it’s almost like you might be.... not telling the truth lol.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    /shrug

    I'm having a discussion on a forum. Think I'm lying if you must.

    I'm an old internet user. I know how to avoid people I don't want contacting me, and step one is don't give the troll your name. It's common sense.
    I know you’re lying which is why you don’t want to prove yourself. I already know the type of person you are lol. If someone called me out like that, I and knew what I said was true, I would jump at the chance to link myself and make my point proven. I know you’re lying and I know if you linked your character it would either have

    A. No raid experience whatsoever

    B. Be littered with more world buffs than an escort and stds

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Considering you can't check buffs on the armory, I wonder how you'd do that.

    But hey, not the first time you've lied and exaggerated to prove a point that isn't correct, so hey, more power to you.

    And I don't know what you pointing out your conceitedness does to help your point - I have nothing to prove to you. The game is playable and that's all I care about. And TBC will be playable too, with no changes, and that's all I care about. Linking my armory wouldn't change that, "sweetheart."
    There’s other sites besides armory friend, I can check exactly what you’ve downed, and what buffs you’ve had. I’m guessing by your ignorance you have 0 classic experience and you’re speaking out of turn. Not surprised.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsmang View Post
    This is not my opinion but i want to ask if we had some changes, would you like hunters to not be able to top dps with 1 button?
    Hell yes I want my 1 button BM hunter back, I have not enjoyed my hunter since they killed the Macro. That is the only reason I think I even liked the class in the first place.

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