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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    I want him to admit it's not true. And he has no proof that it is.
    Kyle Rittenhouse, Robert Aaron Long, Dylan Roof, and Peter Manfredonia would seem to be proof enough that it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Are we talking about cops knowing the person is a murderer? Because if we are not, the statistic presented already show that you are more likely to be pulled over if you are black. If we are to agree that the odds of a person being pulled over, being a murderer, is the same across races. Than logically, a white murderer is more likely to get away with it, because they are less likely to be pulled over.
    At that point than it's only about race. Is a white person more likely to be pulled over than a black person when you take in account ratio of white to black? Absolutely not. But saying a known murder is in less danger than a black man at a traffic stop is dumb. I hope we can agree on that.

    Why even put murder in there if that's not a known?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Kyle Rittenhouse, Robert Aaron Long, Dylan Roof, and Peter Manfredonia would seem to be proof enough that it is.
    John Allen Muhammad... People who are known to be killers, like these examples, are dealt with very differently. There is a lot more scrutiny... Which is part of the reason for BLM. Under scrutiny, even the lives of mass killers matter. But, in day to day interaction and the blue wall of silence, there is no scrutiny... thus, the problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Why even put murder in there if that's not a known?
    Because without it, it’s a ludicrous comparison. Yes, cases that see mass murder, are treated differently... with a lot more scrutiny. It’s not up for debate that you being shot by a street cop, is more likely than murderers, that have interdepartmental strategy and planning. Something that’s not even always true, see Breyona Taylor...

    Yeah, it’s very obviously mass murderers or people who have a warrant out for murder, are treated differently. That shouldn’t be up for debate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    I want him to admit it's not true. And he has no proof that it is.
    It's entirely true. The only liar here is you - claiming to have read articles that you clearly couldn't have done - objectively. And you admitted the lie. We're all clear on your role in this little shake down of yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Kyle Rittenhouse, Robert Aaron Long, Dylan Roof, and Peter Manfredonia would seem to be proof enough that it is.
    Exactly. Rittenhouse alone is proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    I've not brought up sex though it seems to consume your thoughts. Yes there will always be a bigger man but this isn't a case of a super fit suspect but a wiry teen breaking free physically...
    No, you just confused the female officer for the one that was attempting to cuff Wright. Which she wasn't, it was a male officer that lost control of the suspect, yet you called her out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Kyle Rittenhouse, Robert Aaron Long, Dylan Roof, and Peter Manfredonia would seem to be proof enough that it is.
    Exactly. Rittenhouse alone is proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    John Allen Muhammad... People who are known to be killers, like these examples, are dealt with very differently. There is a lot more scrutiny... Which is part of the reason for BLM. Under scrutiny, even the lives of mass killers matter. But, in day to day interaction and the blue wall of silence, there is no scrutiny... thus, the problem...

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    Because without it, it’s a ludicrous comparison. Yes, cases that see mass murder, are treated differently... with a lot more scrutiny. It’s not up for debate that you being shot by a street cop, is more likely than murderers, that have interdepartmental strategy and planning. Something that’s not even always true, see Breyona Taylor...

    Yeah, it’s very obviously mass murderers or people who have a warrant out for murder, are treated differently. That shouldn’t be up for debate...
    Ok ignore the bold part and read his statement then.
    Here is the statement now: "it's literally safer to have killed several people as a white person than to be pulled over for a traffic stop as a black person."
    If you take the murder out of the statement than I 100% agree with him.
    I agree with you. Comparing mass murders to traffic stops is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Ok ignore the bold part and read his statement then.
    Here is the statement now: "it's literally safer to have killed several people as a white person than to be pulled over for a traffic stop as a black person."
    If you take the murder out of the statement than I 100% agree with him.
    It is... because all of those murders have FBI and at least state level officials on their ass. Their primary goal is not to kill the murderer, but to apprehended them, largely due to the scrutiny and publicity. It is absolutely true... there is a very obvious reason for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Exactly. Rittenhouse alone is proof.
    How about the Zodiac killer? If NYC cops were not racist, they would have caught him for killing a cabbie. Would have saved us from the reign of Ted Cruz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Ok ignore the bold part and read his statement then.
    Here is the statement now: "it's literally safer to have killed several people as a white person than to be pulled over for a traffic stop as a black person."
    If you take the murder out of the statement than I 100% agree with him.
    I agree with you. Comparing mass murders to traffic stops is insane.
    So your entire ridiculous beef with my statement was the word "murder"? And you "100% agree with [me]" had that not been included in the statement? I mean, holy fucking ridiculous-diatribe-from-ghotihook-Batman.

    Imagine if you'd started the conversation with "I would agree with you except for the murder part". You called me a liar when you actually agreed with me. And you proved yourself a liar in the process. I hope you learned something from this experience.

    We'll all wait for the apology we already know your quality of character won't provide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It is... because all of those murders have FBI and at least state level officials on their ass. Their primary goal is not to kill the murderer, but to apprehended them, largely due to the scrutiny and publicity. It is absolutely true... there is a very obvious reason for it...
    I can't even believe how ridiculous his whole point turned out to be....

    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    How about the Zodiac killer? If NYC cops were not racist, they would have caught him for killing a cabbie. Would have saved us from the reign of Ted Cruz...
    Exactly! And lol re Cruz....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    No, you just confused the female officer for the one that was attempting to cuff Wright. Which she wasn't, it was a male officer that lost control of the suspect, yet you called her out.
    Because she shot him... while losing control of him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    Because she shot him... while losing control of him...
    You made very clear claims, and have provided zero evidence to back it up.

    The other poster is 6'8" and 300 pounds, you're saying all officers need to be able to single-handedly control him without a weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    Because she shot him... while losing control of him...
    The arresting officer lost control of him, she attempted to help regain control of him while the arresting officer struggled as well. Her confusing her service weapon for a taser is a completely unrelated issue dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You made very clear claims, and have provided zero evidence to back it up.

    The other poster is 6'8" and 300 pounds, you're saying all officers need to be able to single-handedly control him without a weapon?
    No one is saying that...read the thread before making strawmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    So your entire ridiculous beef with my statement was the word "murder"? And you "100% agree with [me]" had that not been included in the statement? I mean, holy fucking ridiculous-diatribe-from-ghotihook-Batman.

    Imagine if you'd started the conversation with "I would agree with you except for the murder part". You called me a liar when you actually agreed with me. And you proved yourself a liar in the process. I hope you learned something from this experience.

    We'll all wait for the apology we already know your quality of character won't provide.
    Are you saying the murderer was not a major part of the statement? And the most important part?

    And you are right you take that statement out and I agree with you! I am sorry if I was not more clear.

    Someone really has to be completely out of touch not to know when accounting for population percentages in the same situation a black person is going to get murdered more than a white person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    No one is saying that...read the thread before making strawmen.
    I did, you are making claims against the officers, with no evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    Except it was a problem with fitness. Rather then being able to subdue a suspect she needed to rely on a weapon. It isn't a sexism thing you need to have a high standard of fitness to properly enforce the law. If you don't have an option to overpower the suspect you have to rely on tools to close the gap.
    Do you have any evidence they were not physically fit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    I mean it played a major role in this. You can see it in the video she panicked when she lost physical control of the situation... its not sexism you HAVE to be able to overpower a suspect.

    One of the posters is 6'8" 300 pounds, so all officers need to be able to overpower him... right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    There is a video of what happened... if the test was passed it clearly wasn't hard enough.

    Evidence, please.

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    No if a man fucked up this badly it would be the same thing... I would rather try to address an issue then just overlook what lead to failure.

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    How is that a impossible standard for law enforcement?
    The male officer made the bigger mistake at the beginning, he lost control of the suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost controller View Post
    No one is saying that...read the thread before making strawmen.
    I’m said person and I was arrested by a woman... she did perfectly fine...

    Edit: other than lying on the police report... but, that’s a different story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Proof?
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    Dylan Roof, Kyle Rittenhouse, and several other mass shooters recently that have been able to walk away from a mass shooting event, and even taken to fucking fast food before they were arraigned. That literally happened with Dylan Roof, after he killed 8 black people in a Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    He's the bestest. Probably time to let him go no this - he doesn't even want to read the links we provide, and he's already admitted that he doesn't read the threads he comments on.

    This giving of assignments thing is sub-juvenile. Adorable, too.
    Well...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Are you saying the murderer was not a major part of the statement? And the most important part?
    Who knows? Wouldn't it have been fucking grand if you'd fucking asked that initially? Instead you bluster and lie to us all, knowing you actually agree, for some unclarified point you could have easily clarified.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    And you are right you take that statement out and I agree with you! I am sorry if I was not more clear.
    Great - so you always agreed with me, you just had to take us all for a ride, and then lie while doing it. Fabulous.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghotihook View Post
    Someone really has to be completely out of touch not to know when accounting for population percentages in the same situation a black person is going to get murdered more than a white person.
    I think we're all VERY on who is out of touch here.

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